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Panetta removes military ban on women in combat, opening thousands of front line positions.
Associated Press ^ | January 23, 2013 | Staff

Posted on 01/23/2013 12:39:15 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad

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To: patriotsblood

I totally agree with you, but we have to understand who is running our Govt. now - avowed Enemies of America, including the marxist Panetta. This is so wrong, and if it stands, if Congress goes along with this, then we are cooked. Which is just what Barry Soetoro, et.al., want. To have a young woman take a slot away from a young man when there is absolutely no way she could ever be physically or mentally qualified means the standards will be tanked even further.
When will the madness stop...I am going crazy with rage.


151 posted on 01/23/2013 6:24:23 PM PST by Sioux-san
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To: NKP_Vet
And to put it in perspective: Feminism is a communist strategy. See Agenda, Grinding America Down by Curtis Bowers.
152 posted on 01/23/2013 6:35:10 PM PST by SisterK (not my president)
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To: smoothsailing

Ubama unleashed.

Congratulations, America.


153 posted on 01/23/2013 6:39:26 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

Maybe the leftards can unionize the military next.


154 posted on 01/23/2013 6:43:31 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Sioux-san

Apparently Congress has nothing to do with it anymore. It’s all up to the Marxist Peneta. Was I sleeping when Congress said it was fine? Am I missing something here? Woman in combat has ALWAYS been banned by Congress, but of course when Democrats are in power they ignore Congress. So can someone tell me when Congress lifted the ban?


155 posted on 01/23/2013 6:48:06 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Let women pay their share of the butchers bill. They will have had enough after the first few.

But we will no longer be a world power in the meantime.


156 posted on 01/23/2013 6:52:41 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: NKP_Vet

I don’t think Congress did lift the ban. When I hear these women say they can’t get ahead in the military without combat experience, I just want to retch. The Jerk-in-Chief and Panetta are purging our military of anyone who still cares about this country. Putting women on the front lines may well drive out the remaining Patriots, leaving only those who are willing to go after Americans on American Soil. Career advancement, my arse. this is about the impending civil war.


157 posted on 01/23/2013 6:59:13 PM PST by Sioux-san
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To: Blood of Tyrants

While they are primarily in support roles, women in the IDF are not exclusively so. Several served in combat roles in the Lebanon war in 2006, one killed in action I believe.


158 posted on 01/23/2013 7:01:12 PM PST by mquinn (Obama's supporters: a deliberate drowning of consciousness by means of rhythmic noise)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

So how many qualified men will be replaced by women to fill a quota? I know feminists and the politically correct will deny it, but men are stronger, faster, and can carry heavier loads. Thems the facts, Jack. Physical fitness standards for men in the military have already been lowered because they were too high for women. Now this?


159 posted on 01/23/2013 7:03:55 PM PST by chessplayer
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To: USAF80

Those fox holes, combat outposts and helicopters will then need to have ladies rooms. What’s next? Hiring the handicapped?
The ACLU is un-American, uncivil, and anti-liberty.


160 posted on 01/23/2013 7:13:40 PM PST by Rainier1789 (My Constitution has a 2nd and 10th Amendment)
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To: TurboZamboni
I’m sure they’ll all have to sign up for the draft,too./sarc

I wanted to put that to Clinton in the '96 San Diego debate but didn't get my chance.

161 posted on 01/23/2013 7:15:21 PM PST by newzjunkey (bah)
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To: ParityErr; Responsibility2nd
I agree with Responsibility2nd. The last thing you want to see happen is for your daughter to be a front line casuality due to the RAT bastard commie muslim pig-in-chief 0dumb0, and to take a bullet because of that narcissistic, vain commie pig.

My nephew (Army major, West Point grad) is being deployed for the 2nd time to Afghanistan, after 2 tours in Iraq as well. My advice to him is to AVOID combat encounters as much as he can, and to steer around them if it appears inevitable. I would hate most of all to see him take a bullet for that RAT bastard 0bama, or to be prosecuted on some trumped up charge, due to a split second decision. We now have a good number of soldiers spending 10 yrs to life in prison because of a split second decision in firing or being fired upon, and then being hauled up on murder charges.

The U.S. military is now a giant, pandering, capitulating, politically correct social experiment for 0dumb0, his muzzlim collaborators, the LGBT and socialist radicals. I tell anyone these days, DON'T GO IN. You may be another casuality on 0dumb0's girdle.

162 posted on 01/23/2013 7:30:57 PM PST by rcrngroup
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To: dsc
Can't you hear Satan laughing?

He hates, absolutely HATES women, as he hates the Jews. The Messiah was born of a woman. Satan is constantly trying to destroy those made in the image of God. If he'll do it through hypersexualization and objectification then he'll do it through taking away all that makes them uniquely feminine. And Obama is willing to mess with creation and it's order for him.

Goes back to Genesis.

Genesis 3:15

"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."

163 posted on 01/23/2013 7:31:02 PM PST by 444Flyer
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To: dsc

Thus the Islamic view of women as well.


164 posted on 01/23/2013 7:32:18 PM PST by 444Flyer
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To: Nachum; Saoirise; jazusamo

Well, well...things are starting to become clearer now.

1/21/13

“Report: Gen. Mattis Forced Out of CENTCOM for Questioning Obama’s Advisers”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2980573/posts


165 posted on 01/23/2013 7:38:29 PM PST by 444Flyer
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To: Sioux-san
Communists want to demasculinize real men. This is another way of saying, “Men need not apply”. But it is also communicating that everything in a man's God-given instinct to protect females is to be desensitized and destroyed.

Pure evil at its core.

166 posted on 01/23/2013 7:44:27 PM PST by 444Flyer
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To: 444Flyer

Very good!

I had not put that together until you pointed it out.


167 posted on 01/23/2013 7:47:20 PM PST by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Radical transformation!


168 posted on 01/23/2013 7:50:05 PM PST by 444Flyer
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To: 444Flyer

Duuuude


169 posted on 01/23/2013 7:51:14 PM PST by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: 444Flyer

Amen to that!


170 posted on 01/23/2013 7:54:18 PM PST by Sioux-san
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
You first MO!


171 posted on 01/23/2013 7:58:38 PM PST by 444Flyer
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To: 444Flyer

Amen, Flyer.


172 posted on 01/23/2013 8:15:07 PM PST by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: ParityErr

...as of now she isn’t; talk to us after a year in the female billets. Better yet, talk to a military chaplain familiar with these things.


173 posted on 01/23/2013 8:27:06 PM PST by MSF BU (n)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

What’s left on the insanity list? I think they’ve checked off every box.


174 posted on 01/23/2013 8:33:09 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: MinorityRepublican

Funny, we are still deploying AD to Iraq (MSM crickets, plus the kicker, we are involved in a messy Sunni and Shiite triangle by attempting to work both sides in different areas, lol), what makes you think Afghan will be any different? Oh, wait, you must believe in this fairy tale called “end of combat operations” well unfortunately there are plenty of other operations that will be alive and well. Bagram (Several other FOBs) for instance is/are being beefed up well into the billions for some long term plan that will continue to drain our resources/taxpayers. AD will be deployed by the thousands for awhile...


175 posted on 01/23/2013 8:41:49 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: ParityErr

Women have no place in combat except in the direst of circumstance


176 posted on 01/23/2013 10:25:00 PM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: dead

Real life is not based on that prick and his silly what if movies


177 posted on 01/23/2013 10:26:41 PM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Obama the evil SOB. He has found a way to remove the only legal obstacle to requiring women to be drafted.

The last federal court ruling on why women are not subject to the draft is because women were prohibited by federal law from the combat positions that were mostly being drafted for.

I will not turn my daughter over to the sodomites running our government and military. -Under no circumstances-. And daughter being sent into infantry combat is utterly depraved. FUBO marxist plant usurper.


178 posted on 01/23/2013 10:27:49 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: mmichaels1970

I beg your pardon but plenty of women in uniform have indeed asked for this precisely


179 posted on 01/23/2013 10:29:49 PM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: dsc

Try august in full pads in Mississippi football practicd
Two a day

Grueling
Hell i smoked Marlboro reds behind the sleds at spring training

They will lower all standards....they always do


180 posted on 01/23/2013 10:34:40 PM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: Romulus

Romulus ...sad to say

This site has further degenerated into the stupid

Were women so effing great at combat it would have been so for all recorded history since Lagash versus Umma

Idiots laughing about this much like those implementing it do not take war seriously

Cause most aren’t fighting it


181 posted on 01/23/2013 10:41:07 PM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: edcoil

Womens lib in the modern era is mostly the product of liberal pissed off bored Jewish women in urban areas who often came from socialist families

Red diaper babies as Horowitz coined it

Think any of them ever served?

Hell they loathe the military

Friedan...Steinhem....Wolfe....Jong.....Faludi....Dworkin....etc


182 posted on 01/23/2013 10:45:18 PM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: wardaddy

First one dead in combat and all hell will break loose. Hearings will happen, heads will roll, good men will lose their jobs.

This is the dumbest idea since New Coke.


183 posted on 01/23/2013 10:59:26 PM PST by Fledermaus (I'm done with the GOP. Let them wither and die. Let's start over.)
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To: EEGator

Instead of criticizing Panetta, you turn your vitriol against the young women?

How conservative—to hope other people “enjoy” crimes committed against them.


184 posted on 01/23/2013 11:35:53 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Obadiah

“Frankly, I don’t care anymore. Let them go. Let them get shot at and die like men. That’s what they demand, give it to them.”

Really? Where did most women demand this? Or most women in the military?

Women who did not demand this and women who actively opposed this will likely die if Congress approves of this plan.

And you’re willing to throw in the towel and show a singular lack of regard for all the women involved because of the beliefs and desires of a minority.


185 posted on 01/23/2013 11:43:17 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: 444Flyer

It sure is, libs don’t like absolutes and Mattis is an absolute type of guy.


186 posted on 01/23/2013 11:46:20 PM PST by Saoirise (Free Larry Hutchins - USMC)
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To: 444Flyer

Excellent visual!


187 posted on 01/23/2013 11:48:09 PM PST by Saoirise (Free Larry Hutchins - USMC)
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To: Altariel

You are a minority..if you believe you, or a small group of like minded people, can influence this current admin...or any of the insanity going on.
Remember when we thought obamacare was dead..did we stop tarp/stimulus?
Have ‘we’ stopped ANYTHING?


188 posted on 01/24/2013 4:41:44 AM PST by Leep (Are you smarter than a 7th grade math student and or Barack 0bama?)
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To: Romulus; wardaddy
I think you both missed my point that the idea that women are these awesome mad killing machines is fantasy, worthy of movies with cool soundtracks.

My entire point was that it's not realistic.

189 posted on 01/24/2013 4:48:01 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Should be an interesting reaction to see the first female that has to hump an 81 mm baseplate strapped to her pack for 20 miles....


190 posted on 01/24/2013 5:04:34 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

This is meant by 0bama to get the country to hate the military...not just the Fiat and Volvo drivers, but the rest of the country.


191 posted on 01/24/2013 5:06:27 AM PST by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To: dead

Here is a link to a very well written article on the issue of fraternization. The point is that no level of military code or discipline can stop human nature. Put members of the opposite sex together in any organization and there’s going to be fraternization. Put them in situations where they are away from their spouses, facing constant danger or long stretches of boredom, and human nature will trump discipline. The most intriguing part of the article is to Tito’s strict policy against fraternization in his Yugoslav army during the war, where the penalty was death. There were apparently dozens of his troops executed for this offense. If people are willing to risk death in exchange for some human affection in a war zone, then lesser punishment is not going to have a major effect.

http://hamptonroads.com/2012/07/fraternization-given-military


192 posted on 01/24/2013 5:12:15 AM PST by littleharbour
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To: wardaddy
I beg your pardon but plenty of women in uniform have indeed asked for this precisely

And plenty haven't. And the level of denigration that I perceive to be directed at our servicewomen here is sad.

It is Leon Panetta and the Joint Chiefs of Staff that should be called to account for this action.

Comments about dykes, decorating foxholes, getting "done" in foxholes, and dying like men do not help the argument, imho.
193 posted on 01/24/2013 5:50:57 AM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: wardaddy
I beg your pardon but plenty of women in uniform have indeed asked for this precisely

Not very many, I think four and only one was enlisted. All this will do is push more women into the Navy and Air Force. Everyone in uniform knows that regardless of your job or branch that you have a bullseyes painted on your back.

I could attest that women don't really hold up in stressful environments and I have never been in a combat situation. I have seen female supervisors break down and cry. All the bravado is from pilots or officer types.

194 posted on 01/24/2013 6:00:03 AM PST by USAF80
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

I think it’ll ultimately be a wash, because few women will volunteer from infantry front-line duty. However... for those who do, not a single standard should be lowered in training to ease the path for them. Whatever their male counterparts must accomplish, so must they.


195 posted on 01/24/2013 6:27:23 AM PST by ScottinVA (More dizzying than a Tilt-a-Whirl is an around-a-circle argument with a liberal about gun control.)
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To: ScottinVA
Whatever their male counterparts must accomplish, so must they.

Won't happen. Based on current male standards few females would be on active duty. They could run and all but loaded down with equipment, nah.

They will just change the regs to accomodate women. Now stretchers are a four person job because two women can't lift a stretcher with an average sized guy and if they could they would not get very far.

They will forecit. It will fail and they will change the regs againg. Happens all the time.

196 posted on 01/24/2013 6:41:20 AM PST by USAF80
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To: xzins

Agree, xzins. This will destroy the warrior culture of our military. This president is determined to destroy all that is good, honorable, great about our country. My heart hurts for America and what he is doing.

Repubs need to wake up and realize obama is their and America’s enemy. Who gives a crap about polls, whether they can get reelected in two years......they need to realize the time is now to stop him.


197 posted on 01/24/2013 6:52:41 AM PST by Girlene
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
What’s left on the insanity list? I think they’ve checked off every box.

Oh, noooooo....there is plenty more insanity out there......he's just getting started. He's likely stacking the deck right now with this craziness to totally overwhelm the opposition, but he has more destruction planned for America.

Who will stop it?
198 posted on 01/24/2013 7:11:02 AM PST by Girlene
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To: USAF80

Thus, getting more people maimed and killed in the fire zone. Not that it matters to liberals.... the more dead military members the better, as far as they’re concerned.


199 posted on 01/24/2013 7:17:56 AM PST by ScottinVA (More dizzying than a Tilt-a-Whirl is an around-a-circle argument with a liberal about gun control.)
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To: TurboZamboni
3 posted on 1/23/2013 2:40:41 PM by TurboZamboni: “I’m sure they’ll all have to sign up for the draft,too./sarc”

And that, unfortunately, is **EXACTLY** the problem.

The primary legal ground for drafting only men rather than both men and women is the combat exclusion. Eliminate the combat exclusion and the Supreme Court will probably have no way to avoid declaring the Selective Service system unconstitutional.

That's merely a formality today. There may be a day it is not a formality at all.

I'm afraid this is going to come back and bite big time in ways that the women who want a combat MOS never expected.

It's one thing to let women volunteer for something (leaving aside the question of whether or not they can do it without lowering the standards). It is a very different thing to start drafting women.

200 posted on 01/24/2013 7:20:54 AM PST by darrellmaurina
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