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Our gun rights are going to disappear forever unless....
self | 1/22/2013 | self

Posted on 01/22/2013 2:56:47 PM PST by Jerrybob

Another day, another school shooting.

Our gun rights are going to disappear forever unless something drastic happens like--

The NRA, with some big money, needs to produce an ad with hundreds of "assault weapons" owners standing in a room -- or on a hillside -- maybe thousands.

And then someone needs to say something like "Every one of us standing here own at least one of these so-called 'assault weapons'; and know what? Of all the 1,394 weapons we own, not one of them has harmed or killed anyone.

"Now tell me -- what will taking these 'assault weapons' away from these people do to combat gun crime in this country?

"Answer? Nothing. There are many things that can be done, but banning any type of weapon is not -- repeat NOT -- the answer."


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; guns; secondamendment

1 posted on 01/22/2013 2:56:52 PM PST by Jerrybob
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To: Jerrybob

I say attack in another direction they’re not expecting. Concentrate forces on something that will make Obama look bad. Pit him against Israel or something.


2 posted on 01/22/2013 2:59:02 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: Jerrybob

What would be more powerful would be a series of commercials where average people have used firearms to defend themselves and their family.

Imagine a father talking about how he defended his family from a home invasion.

A woman who protected herself from a rapist.

A grandmother who shot a mugger.

Then throw some powerful stats at the end of each.


3 posted on 01/22/2013 3:03:59 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Jerrybob; Gaffer
I like the idea, but I think it needs to be incorporated into this method.

STICK TO YOUR GUNS

4 posted on 01/22/2013 3:05:32 PM PST by SENTINEL (Kneel down to God. Stand up to tyrants. STICK TO YOUR GUNS !)
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To: Jerrybob
There are enough guns for each person in this country. They will never be taken away. Who will come and take them? China? Obama can be tied up in courts for decades. Have you missed the Sheriffs saying that they will not enforce Federal laws against the second amendment? The actual shootouts will be round 12 of the fight but it will not go that far.
5 posted on 01/22/2013 3:05:52 PM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Gaffer

We also could use some exposure on urban vs rural shootings with the question about how the democrats can justify punishing rural people who clearly have nothing to do with an urban problem.


6 posted on 01/22/2013 3:05:52 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Jerrybob
The Founding Fathers didn't put the 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights so their descendants could comfortably stay home while the NRA runs ads to preserve those Rights.

If that's your idea of how best to preserve them, you don't deserve them.

7 posted on 01/22/2013 3:06:47 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: mountainlion

The GOP held states are standing up to Obama.


8 posted on 01/22/2013 3:07:45 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: All

Nothing will stop the communists from attacking our country.

Nothing but complete and total devastation of the enemy. Either us or them.


9 posted on 01/22/2013 3:10:03 PM PST by Celerity
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To: DTogo
The Founding Fathers didn't put the 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights so their descendants could comfortably stay home while the NRA runs ads to preserve those Rights.

If that's your idea of how best to preserve them, you don't deserve them.

Huh? I'm not getting whatever it is you're trying to say.

10 posted on 01/22/2013 3:13:45 PM PST by Jerrybob (Truth -- the new hate speech.)
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To: Jerrybob

Your gun rights will disappear when:

1. You hand your gun over to the enemy and throw yourself on their mercy.

2. You fall over dead beside your gun, slain by the enemy.

Until either of those occur, you have the right, regardless of what some sheet of paper says.


11 posted on 01/22/2013 3:14:05 PM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Jerrybob

The timing on these latest gun attacks is just unbelievably bad for defenders of the second ammendment and provides more fuel for Obama’s anti-gun agenda just at the time he needs it.

Just saying.....


12 posted on 01/22/2013 3:21:05 PM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: cripplecreek

Some GOP counties in Rat states also.


13 posted on 01/22/2013 3:27:02 PM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Jerrybob

“When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance becomes Duty”-Thomas Jefferson

If criminals are made out of those who do not turn their guns in, being a criminal will become a badge of honor.


14 posted on 01/22/2013 3:28:50 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Jerrybob
I don't own an assault weapon.
Those were tightly restricted by the National Firearms Act of 1934.

I do own a Tyranny Response Rifle.

15 posted on 01/22/2013 3:29:25 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: mountainlion
It's not just Obama who is hostile to an armed public, and the hostility isn't "new." The point of regulations is to reduce the rate of gun ownership over time - generations, if that's what it takes. Some people will be criminalized out of possession, some will be killed over it, others will drop out of ownership because the administrative hoops are a hassle. The courts will UNIFORMLY enforce most regulation. Federal appellate courts have upheld bans on 11 round magazines, post-Heller.

That the sheriffs won't enforce federal laws is a freebie, a throwaway line. They don't and can't enforce ANY federal law. That is outside of their jurisdiction.

I don't have the answer or a solution, but until the public realizes that the government is hostile, the ratchet is only going to work against the public.

16 posted on 01/22/2013 3:34:40 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: mnehring

Those would be powerful. Great idea.


17 posted on 01/22/2013 3:40:35 PM PST by moovova
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To: Jerrybob
When you listen or observe a rat face democrat there is no other conclusion but to call them communists. They want to remove our rights guaranteed by the Constitution and want hard left socialists to run America.
18 posted on 01/22/2013 3:41:16 PM PST by Logical me
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To: Jerrybob

Maybe they could close the commercial by singing “I’d Like to Teach the World to Sing”...and change “Coke” to “Colt”... and don’t forget to add in some unicorns flying across the sky while pooping rainbow skittles, too.

Never mind me...just spitballing here...


19 posted on 01/22/2013 3:42:22 PM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: TigersEye

I’m waiting for delivery of my new Zombie Hunter. Will be joining my local Zombie Response Team soon after.


20 posted on 01/22/2013 3:42:46 PM PST by BubbaBasher ("Liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals" - Sam Adams)
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To: mountainlion

Here in Michigan bills to protect gun owners from FOIA requests and one to exclude Michigan made and owned guns from federal regulation were introduced this week.


21 posted on 01/22/2013 3:46:45 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SENTINEL

thanks for the link — I’d missed that thread.

on the “them” side, I don’t see various union thugs, criminals, restive youths, and general obama voters counted ... and those are the unknowns that concern me. comment?


22 posted on 01/22/2013 3:48:13 PM PST by cyn (Benghazi... the TRAVESTY continues)
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To: SENTINEL

PLUS the idea that, given the right situation, DC can nationalize our various local “national” (why, I wonder, did we allow that name, when they are sposed to be LOCAL?) guards for nefarious purposes.


23 posted on 01/22/2013 3:54:09 PM PST by cyn (Benghazi... the TRAVESTY continues)
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To: Jerrybob

Ask the simple question: How many hundred million American firearms were not used in a crime this century?


24 posted on 01/22/2013 3:56:17 PM PST by Trod Upon (Civilian disarmament is the precursor to democide.)
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To: cyn
"on the “them” side, I don’t see various union thugs, criminals, restive youths, and general obama voters counted ... and those are the unknowns that concern me. comment?"

You make a good point. However seeing the LA riots firsthand, and spending an unexpected night on the Bellflower/Carson border during them, I can tell you that "they" are without courage, brains, training, and equipment that "we" possess in spades.

Maybe I'll incorporate the 'stunt' I pulled that kept them out of the apartment complex I was guarding into one of my next articles. They looted and burned the Blockbuster Video, Sports Authority and Carrs right across the street from us.

25 posted on 01/22/2013 3:59:37 PM PST by SENTINEL (Kneel down to God. Stand up to tyrants. STICK TO YOUR GUNS !)
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To: Cboldt
That the sheriffs won't enforce federal laws is a freebie, a throwaway line. They don't and can't enforce ANY federal law. That is outside of their jurisdiction.

Not quite true; they can effect a citizen's arrest -- just like any other citizen can.

26 posted on 01/22/2013 4:00:15 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Jerrybob

I have a theory and I believe in the days to come it will become apparent there is truth in it. I think you are going to begin to see staged shootings at universities and schools in the next few weeks to assist the bingo trol agenda. Do I think the Obama administration is capable of this. Absolutely. Do I think they will tell the students to shoot other students? You bet. Why? Because he wants to get the job done and the ends are a way to get to the means. So what if a few children have to die to meet his goals? It’s for the greater good of all humanity! Do I think it would be hard for his administration to find thugs to do the shootings. Not in today’s world.


27 posted on 01/22/2013 4:01:18 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Jerrybob

Funny how the media doesnt focus on the type of wapon anymore. No reports on the gangbangers that got wacked this week either .


28 posted on 01/22/2013 4:03:06 PM PST by subterfuge (CBS NBC ABC FOX AP-- all no different than Pravda.)
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To: Jerrybob

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwkX8sWSxNQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

it is over for gun control

Sam Colt made us equal

Cody Wilson made guns unbannable


29 posted on 01/22/2013 4:04:12 PM PST by King_Corey (www.kingcorey.com -- OpenCarry.org -- http://defcad.org/)
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To: Jerrybob

I have a theory and I believe in the days to come it will become apparent there is truth in it. I think you are going to begin to see staged shootings at universities and schools in the next few weeks to assist the gun control agenda. Do I think the Obama administration is capable of this. Absolutely. Do I think they will tell the students to shoot other students? You bet. Why? Because he wants to get the job done and the ends are a way to get to the means. So what if a few children have to die to meet his goals? It’s for the greater good of all humanity! Do I think it would be hard for his administration to find thugs to do the shootings. Not in today’s world. I shudder to think of things to come and think it’s very possible he could be either the false prophet or Anti-Christ himself. Ahmenijad is also in the running for that title.


30 posted on 01/22/2013 4:04:43 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: SENTINEL
"Maybe I'll incorporate the 'stunt' I pulled that kept them out of the apartment complex I was guarding into one of my next articles. "

Yes -- that would help!

31 posted on 01/22/2013 4:15:41 PM PST by cyn (Benghazi... the TRAVESTY continues)
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To: DTogo
Exactly! I don't know about anyone else but my rights can not be taken away nor will they be.

μολὼν λαβέ


32 posted on 01/22/2013 4:23:40 PM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Jerrybob
Obama doesn't have the votes in Congress. This is all for show.

Obama solidifies his base, makes the Republicans look bad among supporters who otherwise might stray, and makes himself look "decisive" and "determined."

Of course, enough anti-gun publicity now might make a move in the future easier. I don't know if assault weapons are the place to make a counter-move, though.

33 posted on 01/22/2013 4:33:12 PM PST by x
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To: Jerrybob

Sit down and relax. Until three conservatives can show show up at a village council meeting to oppose a sidewalk tax, you conservatives ain’t going nowhere.


34 posted on 01/22/2013 5:19:27 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: Trod Upon

is this information accurate?:

From the World Health Organization:

The latest Murder Statistics for the world:

Murders per 100,000 citizens

Honduras 91.6
El Salvador 69.2
Cote d’lvoire 56.9 52.2
Venezuela 45.1
Belize 41.4
US Virgin Islands 39.2
Guatemala 38.5
Saint Kits and Nevis 38.2
Zambia 38.0
Uganda 36.3
Malawi 36.0
Lesotho 35.2
Trinidad and Tobago 35.2
Colombia 33.4
South Africa 31.8
Congo 30.8
Central African Republic 29.3
Bahamas 27.4
Puerto Rico 26.2
Saint Lucia 25.2
Dominican Republic 25.0
Tanzania 24.5
Sudan 24.2
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9
Ethiopia 22.5
Guinea 22.5
Dominica 22.1
Burundi 21.7
Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7
Panama 21.6
Brazil 21.0
Equatorial Guinea 20.7
Guinea-Bissau 20.2
Kenya 20.1
Kyrgyzstan 20.1
Cameroon 19.7
Montserrat 19.7
Greenland 19.2
Angola 19.0
Guyana 18.6
Burkina Faso 18.0
Eritrea 17.8
Namibia 17.2
Rwanda 17.1
Mexico 16.9
Chad 15.8
Ghana 15.7
Ecuador 15.2
North Korea 15.2
Benin 15.1
Sierra Leone 14.9
Mauritania 14.7
Botswana 14.5
Zimbabwe 14.3
Gabon 13.8
Nicaragua 13.6
French Guiana 13.3
Papua New Guinea 13.0
Swaziland 12.9
Bermuda 12.3
Comoros 12.2
Nigeria 12.2
Cape Verde 11.6
Grenada 11.5
Paraguay 11.5
Barbados 11.3
Togo 10.9
Gambia 10.8
Peru 10.8
Myanmar 10.2
Russia 10.2
Liberia 10.1
Costa Rica 10.0
Nauru 9.8
Bolivia 8.9
Mozambique 8.8
Kazakhstan 8.8
Senegal 8.7
Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7
Mongolia 8.7
British Virgin Islands 8.6
Cayman Islands 8.4
Seychelles 8.3
Madagascar 8.1
Indonesia 8.1
Mali 8.0
Pakistan 7.8
Moldova 7.5
Kiribati 7.3
Guadeloupe 7.0
Haiti 6.9
Timor-Leste 6.9
Anguilla 6.8
Antigua and Barbuda 6.8
Lithuania 6.6
Uruguay 5.9
Philippines 5.4
Ukraine 5.2
Estonia 5.2
Cuba 5.0
Belarus 4.9
Thailand 4.8
Suriname 4.6
Laos 4.6
Georgia 4.3
Martinique 4.2

And

The United States = 4.2

ALL the countries above America have 100% gun bans


35 posted on 01/22/2013 5:52:03 PM PST by stickywillie (should we feel a "glimmer of hope")
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To: Jerrybob
We are going to have a violent conflict soon. I have no idea what scale it will be on, but it's coming. Obama wants his egotistical Lincoln fantasy, and patriots seem to be out of options other than surrendering our rights without out a fight.

I think many patriots are over estimating their strength, while underestimating a military that very likely is purging those they don't trust to follow orders to deploy on American soil. At the same time they have a unit trained to operate on U.S. soil that is probably watched closely.

Our military has had training exercises on American soil that involving foreign troops, including Russian troops in what was a first. Obama would love to humiliate the country he hates by using Russian forces to occupy our soil if given the opportunity.

I assume our government has detailed plans that are already in place for an attack against us. Considering that some federal forces seem to be preparing for a sizable conflict within our borders, while purging numerous high ranking officers in our military, and changing the threat from Islamic terrorist to TEA party members and patriots, you have to wonder.

A unit within the military using rapid force across the states targeting the most likely leaders in the movement could do great damage, if government intel is as good as expected. Taking out those who are seen having an ability to motivate and rally others into battle. Those with in-depth knowledge of insurgencies, and 4th generation warfare. Those who can organize and communicate under the radar comfortably, along with other vital skills that could be passed along. The lose of many of those patriots at the out start could leave many not knowing how to act. A lot of people would go into total defensive mode, and many wouldn't even have to be engaged in that capacity. It's hard to know the mindset of most patriots. Some have a basic survivalist way of thinking, and some think of conducting a war for liberty. Many prepare the same either way, and hope for qualified leadership to emerge. OATHKEEPERS.ORG

36 posted on 01/22/2013 6:37:31 PM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (www.OathKeepers.org/oath/)
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To: Jerrybob
Huh? I'm not getting whatever it is you're trying to say.

There may come a day, hopefully not, when you and others must personally exercise certain Rights in defense of them. Not stay home and hope some lobbying group runs an ad that said this or that, no matter how provocative or influential the ad might be.

No, someday YOU (and I, and others) might have to suit up and hit the ground exercising certain Rights, be they listed under the 1st Amendment, 2nd, etc. and possibly suffer physical, financial, or other losses in the process, much like Civil Rights leaders and activitsts did in the 1960s or the Founding Fathers did in the 1770-80s.

Yep, that is when our Rights will either be preserved in victory or lost in defeat.

"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, Give me Liberty, or give me Death!"

37 posted on 01/22/2013 6:38:56 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Cboldt
The point of regulations is to reduce the rate of gun ownership over time - generations, if that's what it takes. ....criminalized...killed...drop out...administrative hoops...The courts...

The EPA...

38 posted on 01/22/2013 7:11:19 PM PST by VRW Conspirator (Sometimes it takes calamity to lead to serenity - FReeper RacerX1128)
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To: x
Obama doesn't have the votes in Congress. This is all for show.

I believe that is exactly right.

This is the opening salvo of the democrats 2014 election campaign to retake the House of Representatives.

Republicans are busy looking back, wringing their hands over the last election and trying to exterminate conservatives in their ranks.

Meanwhile, democrats are preparing to drop a nuclear bomb on them in 2014.


39 posted on 01/23/2013 6:40:38 AM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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