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NBC/WSJ poll: For first time, majority thinks abortion should be legal in all or most cases
Hotair ^ | 01/22/2013 | AllahPundit

Posted on 01/22/2013 8:23:39 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: JimRed
we'd be surprised by what our "neighbors" do and think.....

lets face it....most of us are prissy squares.....I don't mind being one in my personal life but I am damn sick of giving all power to everyone else....

conservatism starts with fiscal conservatism.....

have a sound fiscal policy, have industry and jobs, people will want to have children, lots of them, just like in the 50's......

we can't force morality on people.....we can only encourage it...

101 posted on 01/23/2013 12:03:00 AM PST by cherry
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To: svcw
not only will bammey boy bring us more abortion, he'll probably bring on euthanasia....

so how has your anti romney attitude reallly worked out?....

we're surrounded by fools even here on FR....this is why the nation is crap...because of these traitors....

102 posted on 01/23/2013 12:07:34 AM PST by cherry
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To: SeekAndFind

Sadly, America is now at best a center-left country. The era of alignment at the right of the political center is over.

And it isn’t going back.


103 posted on 01/23/2013 5:54:33 AM PST by ScottinVA (More dizzying than a Tilt-a-Whirl is an around-a-circle argument with a liberal about gun control.)
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To: JimRed
Tattoo a scarlet A on their foreheads, please!

Actually, the scarlet letter has been stamped on ours. THEY'RE seen as "mainstream" now.

104 posted on 01/23/2013 5:56:48 AM PST by ScottinVA (More dizzying than a Tilt-a-Whirl is an around-a-circle argument with a liberal about gun control.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The good news/bad news is most people are stupid:

http://www.kofc.org/un/en/news/polls/index.html

This poll puts a different light on the issue.

Most Americans don’t have any freaking idea of who gets abortions and why. They think “most abortions” are for rape, incest, dire health circumstances. But most abortions are basically, “I don’t wanna have a baby right now because it’s not a great time for me.” That’s about 96% of abortions.

Here’s a paragraph from the article:

“Of the 83 percent who support significant restrictions on abortion, 10 percent believe abortion should never be permitted; 12 percent believe abortion should be allowed only to save the life of the mother; 34 percent would restrict abortion only to cases of rape or incest, or to save the life of the mother; and 27 percent would limit abortion to – at most – the first three months of pregnancy.”

Do the arithmetic. A modest majority - 56% - would restrict legal abortion to: no abortion at all or at most; save the mother’s life or at most; in cases of rape or incest.

They didn’t ask about fetal abnormality. I’ve seen polls who do. When you add that exception, the support for that set of abortion restrictions runs over 60%.

“Pro-life” and “pro-abort” can be looked at as absolutes. As a Catholic, I’m an absolutist. No legal abortions. Period.

But I recognize that one can look at the question on a comparative scale, as well. Someone who would restrict abortions to life of the mother, rape and incest - which would ban over 96% of abortions - is more pro-life than pro-abort.

The majority of Americans are significantly more pro-life than pro-abort.

That’s the good news.

Unfortunately, the majority of Americans - the “low information” folks - are too stupid to know it.

That’s the bad news.


105 posted on 01/23/2013 6:10:20 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: greene66
America is a pathetic shadow of what it once was. Morally bankrupt. The culture is an open-sewer. And the the government/media complex has turned the country into a one-party statist entity, ruling a population of dependent serfs. Everything that used to be defined as good and virtuous are now deemed evil, and everything that used to be defined as evil is now praised and celebrated.
It’s quite a thing to behold. Especially for those of us that have memories and knowledge of the greatness that was this country.

Thre is more truth in this post than many Americans would concede. All true, the "American" people are now truly socialists in all but official word. MLK Day is surely the No. 2 holiday now and headed toward No. 1 status. The non-socialists have no plan or organization to proceed.

106 posted on 01/23/2013 6:26:03 AM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: SeekAndFind

How long will God hold his hand?


107 posted on 01/23/2013 6:31:08 AM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: Blackirish

Given the Democrat Senate trend nationally, I now believe that both Akin and Murdock would have been defeated even without the “rape” controversy, for they may have sat on an imaginary lead, taking comfort in Romney’s lead in both of their states.


108 posted on 01/23/2013 6:31:31 AM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Longbow1969
Conservatives don’t abort their children. Liberals do.

Then why do so many of the liberal voters have more children than the conservative families can afford to have? And the high rate of abortion corresponds with the decline in the number of conservative voters.

109 posted on 01/23/2013 6:35:00 AM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: cherry

Really? A traitor because I did not support Romney. You are one sick-o-doodle.
Romney was pro-abortion and pro-government health care - same as obama.
Romney got the nomination because he destroyed concervatives and it was people like you who were scared who voted for obamaRomney.
Get a gripe on reality - fella


110 posted on 01/23/2013 6:53:15 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Theodore R.
Then why do so many of the liberal voters have more children than the conservative families can afford to have?

Because people in the lowest income brackets tend to have a lot of babies the world over. That is the normal. There would be even MORE babies born in leftist demographics if it weren't for abortion.

And the high rate of abortion corresponds with the decline in the number of conservative voters.

So you're suggesting conservative people who don't believe in abortion are having the most abortions?

The fact is we are simply being overwhelmed demographically by lower income minorities who are natural Democrat voters. If they weren't aborting a whole lot of their babies, we'd be losing the demographic war even faster.

111 posted on 01/23/2013 7:18:19 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Theodore R.

I think Murdoch was a not so bright guy way out of their league. Akin was evil/dumb the worst kind. Akin could have manned up and done the right thing and dropped out letting someone more qualified and undamaged to take the fight to Mc Casklle. That would of been the patriotic thing to do but he and his grasping wife....

That said it was like having some troops behind you who accidentally fire off a clip killing 10 of your own guys.


112 posted on 01/23/2013 8:18:08 AM PST by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Catherine, I agree with you wholeheartedly.

One of my best friends is a product of rape. She is one of the most gracious, beautiful, smart and kind hearted people that I know. God does not create what he does not love.


113 posted on 01/23/2013 8:38:01 AM PST by MichiganCheese (The darker the culture, the brighter your light can shine.)
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To: Theodore R.

I do not understand your post.
Are you saying conservatives have more abortions than liberals?
And what universe do you live in where liberals have more children than liberals?


114 posted on 01/23/2013 9:16:47 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: 1rudeboy

During the past year SVCW did everything he could to elect Obama and the democrats and I told him I would never forget. While we were aiming our fire at the enemy SVCW was aiming at us. We could have replaced Lib SC Justices with conservatives, now that won’t happen in my life time. When the next two pro abort SCJ are sworn in SVCW will celebrate. They held their line while ours were shredded by people claiming to be supporting us. Never forget the weak links, they will be back.


115 posted on 01/23/2013 11:59:57 AM PST by ynotjjr (Under Construction)
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To: Monty22002
I’m sorry, rvw will never be overturned.And things are going more liberal, not less. That war is lost. We have to fight what we can and make up the losses much later in generations to come.

Oh, I agree. I just meant that it was the ONLY way to ever limit abortion. Yes, that war is lost. The second amendment will be repealed before Roe v. Wade. Unlike you, I don't think there is any reason to fight for anything any more, at least not at the national level. I've thrown in the towel.

116 posted on 01/23/2013 1:08:49 PM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: MichiganCheese

Amen to that. God bless your friend, and her mother for giving birth to her.


117 posted on 01/23/2013 5:08:50 PM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: Mr. Lucky
A Republican senate candidate makes a politically insensitive, wholly inane, demonstrably false claim regarding the physiology of a woman during rape and it's the media's fault for jumping on it?

No, a candidate misspoke in the stress of the moment and said "legitimate" when the proper word was clearly "bona fide."

He was factually correct, in everything that he said. His mistake was in assuming that the average person is as well-informed on the issue as he.

The uninformed media misrepresented what he said and jumped all over him. And the Republican establishment joined in the jumping.

If you ever wonder why conservatism is losing ground, it's because of this. Republicans and conservatives are too quick to throw people on the bus when the media criticizes them. It doesn't matter if the person didn't do anything to deserve criticism. The media uses the tactic to take down conservatives because it works. Until Republicans and conservatives learn to stand up to the media--to point out that the media lies--to use language as emotionally charged as that of the left, but in defense of the truth--and to defend our own--we will keep losing.

118 posted on 01/24/2013 4:04:37 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom
Do you really think it's "factually correct" that women don't get pregnant from "bona fide" rape?

In Indiana, candidate Mourdock claimed that it was God's will when women got pregnant from the act of rape; probably the media's fault that anyone was offended by that comment too.

These guys were not the innocent victims of some wholly unforeseeable conspiracy of the Bilderburger media cabal. They were, instead, breathtakingly unprepared for big time politics and showed it badly at their public debates.

I had the unpleasant experience of listening to the whole Mourdock - Donnelly debate; Mourdock was rude, ill prepared and inarticulate throughout the entire evening. Indiana elected conservative Republicans to 2/3 of its congressional seats and to the Statehouse in the 2012 election; that we didn't elect a conservative Republican to the Senate was the candidate's fault, not the media's.

119 posted on 01/24/2013 6:47:42 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: svcw

“It should have been gifted wrapped if the Republicans had not run a liberal.”

So what you are saying is that Romney cost us a senate seat in Missouri and a senate seat in Indiana even though Romney won both states by double digits.

And you disagree with the thesis that Akin and Mourdock dragged Romney down with the abortion issue.


120 posted on 01/24/2013 9:07:09 AM PST by staytrue
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

“A stranger in a post-Christian land.

C.S. Lewis said that neo-paganism in the West will be worse than ancient paganism, because we will have rejected Christ.

It’s a sobering thought. Personally, I’m amazed by God’s patience.”

You also have to remember, the democrats openly booed God at their convention, AND THEY STILL WON.


121 posted on 01/24/2013 9:12:58 AM PST by staytrue
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To: staytrue

Romney lost the federal election because he is a liberal and to much like obama.
States win/lose their own elections.
Congressmen win/lose their own elections.


122 posted on 01/24/2013 9:13:26 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: SeekAndFind

So, the majority (if this poll is to be believed) believe that murder is OK prior to birth. What about after birth? Is it OK to kill for convenience after birth too?


123 posted on 01/24/2013 9:15:29 AM PST by meyer (When people fear the government, you have Tyranny)
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To: Mr. Lucky
Do you really think it's "factually correct" that women don't get pregnant from "bona fide" rape?

Yes, it *is* factually correct that it is extremely rare for women to get pregnant from forced rape.

In Indiana, candidate Mourdock claimed that it was God's will when women got pregnant from the act of rape; probably the media's fault that anyone was offended by that comment too.

I am not familiar with Mourdock. However, I will venture a guess based on my familiarity with media tactics. He probably said something along the lines of every child being a gift of God, and the media spun that to give people the impression that he said that it is God's will for every woman to be raped until she becomes pregnant.

These guys were not the innocent victims of some wholly unforeseeable conspiracy of the Bilderburger media cabal. They were, instead, breathtakingly unprepared for big time politics and showed it badly at their public debates.

They were, to a large extent, victims of the mass media. There isn't a person alive who can say exactly the right thing at the right time, and the media demands superhuman powers of communication from conservatives. In contrast, they don't even care if liberals speak incoherently and make statements of profound idiocy. People should be elected on their ideas, even if they can't express them perfectly.

I had the unpleasant experience of listening to the whole Mourdock - Donnelly debate; Mourdock was rude, ill prepared and inarticulate throughout the entire evening.

Being rude and ill-prepared is a different matter. There is no excuse to be rude, and people should be aware of the issues before entering a debate. If they know their stuff, that should come through even if they don't have the oratorical powers of Rush. We conservatives should not allow the media to get away with sliming other conservatives just because they misspeak.

124 posted on 01/24/2013 4:23:13 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Pure manipulation.


125 posted on 01/24/2013 4:34:51 PM PST by EternalVigilance ('Where there is a spark of patriotic fire, we will rekindle it.' Samuel Adams)
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To: SeekAndFind

“True law is right reason in agreement with nature; it is of universal application, unchanging and everlasting; it summons to duty by its commands, and averts from wrong-doing by its prohibitions. And it does not lay its commands or prohibitions upon good men in vain, although neither have any effect on the wicked. It is a sin to try to alter this law, nor is it allowable to attempt to repeal a part of it, and it is impossible to abolish it entirely. We cannot be freed from its obligations by Senate or People, and we need not look outside ourselves for an expounder or interpreter of it. And there will not be different laws at Rome and at Athens, or different laws now and in the future, but one eternal and unchangeable law will be valid for all nations and all times, and there will be one master and ruler, that is, God, over us all, for He is the author of this law, its promulgator, and its enforcing judge. Whoever is disobedient is fleeing from himself and denying his human nature, and by reason of this very fact he will suffer the worst penalties, even if he escapes what is commonly called punishment ...”

— Marcus Tullius Cicero, 59 - 47 B.C.

http://www.selfgovernment.us/10/post/2013/01/god-is-the-master-ruler-and-author.html


126 posted on 01/24/2013 4:39:18 PM PST by EternalVigilance ('Where there is a spark of patriotic fire, we will rekindle it.' Samuel Adams)
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To: SeekAndFind

“The sacred rights of mankind are not to be rummaged for, among old parchments, or musty records. They are written, as with a sun beam, in the whole volume of human nature, by the hand of the divinity itself; and can never be erased or obscured by mortal power.”

— Alexander Hamilton, The Farmer Refuted, 1775

http://www.selfgovernment.us/10/post/2012/05/alexander-hamilton-the-sacred-rights-of-mankind.html


127 posted on 01/24/2013 4:40:34 PM PST by EternalVigilance ('Where there is a spark of patriotic fire, we will rekindle it.' Samuel Adams)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Government, in my humble opinion, should be formed to secure and to enlarge the exercise of natural rights of its members, and every government, which has not this in view, as its principle object, is not a government of the legitimate kind.”

— James Wilson

http://www.selfgovernment.us/10/post/2013/01/not-a-government-of-the-legitimate-kind.html


128 posted on 01/24/2013 4:42:07 PM PST by EternalVigilance ('Where there is a spark of patriotic fire, we will rekindle it.' Samuel Adams)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Human law is law only by virtue of its accordance with right reason; and thus it is manifest that it flows from the eternal law. And in so far as it deviates from right reason it is called an unjust law; in such case it is no law at all, but rather a species of violence.”

— Thomas Aquinas, Summa theologiae, Ia-Ilae, q. xciii, art. 3, ad 2m.

http://www.selfgovernment.us/10/post/2012/11/thomas-aquinas-unjust-law-is-no-law-at-all.html


129 posted on 01/24/2013 4:43:11 PM PST by EternalVigilance ('Where there is a spark of patriotic fire, we will rekindle it.' Samuel Adams)
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To: brownsfan

“This natural law, being as old as mankind and dictated by God himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe, in all countries, and at all times: no human laws are of any validity, if contrary to this; and such of them as are valid derive all their force, and all their authority, from this original.”

— William Blackstone, Commentaries on the Law of England (1765)

http://www.selfgovernment.us/10/post/2012/04/william-blackstone-the-natural-law-is-superior-in-obligation-to-any-other.html


130 posted on 01/24/2013 4:44:07 PM PST by EternalVigilance ('Where there is a spark of patriotic fire, we will rekindle it.' Samuel Adams)
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To: SeekAndFind

“[A]ll men are equally bound by the laws of nature, or to speak more properly, the laws of the Creator.”

— Samuel Adams

http://www.selfgovernment.us/10/post/2012/02/samuel-adams-we-are-all-bound-by-the-laws-of-the-creator.html


131 posted on 01/24/2013 4:45:09 PM PST by EternalVigilance ('Where there is a spark of patriotic fire, we will rekindle it.' Samuel Adams)
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To: SeekAndFind

“The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right, which Heaven itself has ordained.”

— George Washington, 1789

http://www.selfgovernment.us/10/post/2012/02/george-washington-the-eternal-rules-of-order-and-right.html


132 posted on 01/24/2013 4:46:22 PM PST by EternalVigilance ('Where there is a spark of patriotic fire, we will rekindle it.' Samuel Adams)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these: First, a right to life; Secondly, to liberty; Thirdly, to property; together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can. These are evident branches of, rather than deductions from, the duty of self-preservation, commonly called the first law of nature.”

— Samuel Adams, The Rights of the Colonists, The Report of the Committee of Correspondence to the Boston Town Meeting, Nov. 20, 1772

http://www.selfgovernment.us/10/post/2012/01/samuel-adams-the-duty-of-self-preservation-the-first-law-of-nature.html


133 posted on 01/24/2013 4:47:26 PM PST by EternalVigilance ('Where there is a spark of patriotic fire, we will rekindle it.' Samuel Adams)
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To: SeekAndFind
thinks abortion should be legal

"We should never forget that everything Adolf Hitler did in Germany was 'legal' and everything the Hungarian freedom fighters did in Hungary was 'illegal.'..."

-- Martin Luther King, Jr., Letter from a Birmingham Jail


134 posted on 01/24/2013 4:51:47 PM PST by EternalVigilance ('Where there is a spark of patriotic fire, we will rekindle it.' Samuel Adams)
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To: SeekAndFind

The results of this poll are counter to most recent polls and national trends.

When you consider the source, you realize it is a media increasingly infatuated with the role given to them to help shape, rather than to report, the national conscience.

Young people have been increasingly pro-life for the last fifteen years, so there is hope. The old hags of the 1970s/1980s feminist movement are dying off.

Love and support of unlimited abortion is corrosive to the national fabric, because if the most innocent are unprotected, the rest of us are in jeopardy.

We will never be wrong by standing for what is right.

The long term trends are in our favor. We have to help our country survive the Obama years, because when America’s light goes out, it will not be relit.

Keep the faith, and keep standing for truth.


135 posted on 01/24/2013 5:08:23 PM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: SeekAndFind

100% of us are destined for hell because of this.

We oppose it yet, fund it.


136 posted on 01/24/2013 8:45:49 PM PST by NoLibZone (It's time folks. It's time. Posting aint gonna cut it.)
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