Posted on 01/22/2013 8:23:39 AM PST by SeekAndFind
If you're hung over from drinking the blues away on Inauguration Day, bad news: It's time to open another beer. New numbers on the 40th anniversary of Roe:
According to the poll, 54 percent of adults say that abortion should be legal either always or most of the time, while a combined 44 percent said it should be illegal – either with or without exceptions...
In addition, a whopping 70 percent of Americans oppose the Roe v. Wade decision from being overturned, including 57 percent who feel strongly about this...
By comparison, just 24 percent now want the Roe v. Wade decision overturned, including 21 percent who feel strongly about this position.
Much of this change, the NBC/WSJ pollsters say, is coming from African Americans, Latinos and women without college degrees --- all of whom increasingly oppose the Supreme Court decision from being overturned.
Before today the highest number NBC/WSJ had recorded for keeping abortion legal in all or most cases was 49 percent in 2008. When you drill down into that data, you find that the number who want abortion legal in all cases — no exceptions, presumably not even for late term — is 31 percent, which is also a new high. Say this for Obama’s new coalition — they elected the right guy.
As for overturning Roe, despite the sturm and drang of Supreme Court confirmation hearings, Americans have never been keen on doing so. Pew’s recent poll on abortion found 63 percent opposed to the idea; in 1992, the number was 60 percent. NBC/WSJ sees a bit more movement over time but support for the status quo has been constant through the years in their data too:
Why the recent uptick? NBC’s pollsters speculate it's partly a backlash to the Akin/Mourdock rape comments last year, but I don’t know. My sense is that backlashes like that tend to burn out fairly quickly. Obama won and Akin and Mourdock both lost, so the “threat” of a post-Roe world has passed for abortion supporters. I think the likelier explanation, as noted in the excerpt, is changing demographics. Pew published a set of polls a few weeks after the election showing that the 18-to-29 group that got Obama reelected was also the age demographic most supportive of keeping abortion legal in all or most cases. They were also far more likely — 14 points more likely — than any other age group to say that government should do more than that government is doing too much. Imagine their surprise when they find out America can’t pay for the government it has right now.
Now that you’ve digested those numbers, try to digest this one. Exit question: Do these numbers augur the eventual end of SCOTUS confirmation fights over Roe? A newly elected Republican president would be caught between social conservatives in his base, who want the decision overturned, and pretty much the entire rest of the electorate, which doesn’t. Makes me wonder if GOP candidates won’t start veering away from the idea of getting rid of Roe via new appointments and pushing the idea of a Human Life Amendment instead. They could sell it is a true democratic solution, the way the Founders intended, knowing all the while that it hasn’t a prayer of passing.
Update: Almost forgot: If you believe Pew, a majority of the 18-to-29 group that’s now steering the ship of state and that strongly opposes overturning Roe doesn’t know which issue Roe v. Wade actually dealt with.
“A stranger in a post-Christian land.
C.S. Lewis said that neo-paganism in the West will be worse than ancient paganism, because we will have rejected Christ.
It’s a sobering thought. Personally, I’m amazed by God’s patience.”
You also have to remember, the democrats openly booed God at their convention, AND THEY STILL WON.
Romney lost the federal election because he is a liberal and to much like obama.
States win/lose their own elections.
Congressmen win/lose their own elections.
So, the majority (if this poll is to be believed) believe that murder is OK prior to birth. What about after birth? Is it OK to kill for convenience after birth too?
Yes, it *is* factually correct that it is extremely rare for women to get pregnant from forced rape.
In Indiana, candidate Mourdock claimed that it was God's will when women got pregnant from the act of rape; probably the media's fault that anyone was offended by that comment too.
I am not familiar with Mourdock. However, I will venture a guess based on my familiarity with media tactics. He probably said something along the lines of every child being a gift of God, and the media spun that to give people the impression that he said that it is God's will for every woman to be raped until she becomes pregnant.
These guys were not the innocent victims of some wholly unforeseeable conspiracy of the Bilderburger media cabal. They were, instead, breathtakingly unprepared for big time politics and showed it badly at their public debates.
They were, to a large extent, victims of the mass media. There isn't a person alive who can say exactly the right thing at the right time, and the media demands superhuman powers of communication from conservatives. In contrast, they don't even care if liberals speak incoherently and make statements of profound idiocy. People should be elected on their ideas, even if they can't express them perfectly.
I had the unpleasant experience of listening to the whole Mourdock - Donnelly debate; Mourdock was rude, ill prepared and inarticulate throughout the entire evening.
Being rude and ill-prepared is a different matter. There is no excuse to be rude, and people should be aware of the issues before entering a debate. If they know their stuff, that should come through even if they don't have the oratorical powers of Rush. We conservatives should not allow the media to get away with sliming other conservatives just because they misspeak.
Pure manipulation.
“True law is right reason in agreement with nature; it is of universal application, unchanging and everlasting; it summons to duty by its commands, and averts from wrong-doing by its prohibitions. And it does not lay its commands or prohibitions upon good men in vain, although neither have any effect on the wicked. It is a sin to try to alter this law, nor is it allowable to attempt to repeal a part of it, and it is impossible to abolish it entirely. We cannot be freed from its obligations by Senate or People, and we need not look outside ourselves for an expounder or interpreter of it. And there will not be different laws at Rome and at Athens, or different laws now and in the future, but one eternal and unchangeable law will be valid for all nations and all times, and there will be one master and ruler, that is, God, over us all, for He is the author of this law, its promulgator, and its enforcing judge. Whoever is disobedient is fleeing from himself and denying his human nature, and by reason of this very fact he will suffer the worst penalties, even if he escapes what is commonly called punishment ...”
— Marcus Tullius Cicero, 59 - 47 B.C.
http://www.selfgovernment.us/10/post/2013/01/god-is-the-master-ruler-and-author.html
“The sacred rights of mankind are not to be rummaged for, among old parchments, or musty records. They are written, as with a sun beam, in the whole volume of human nature, by the hand of the divinity itself; and can never be erased or obscured by mortal power.”
— Alexander Hamilton, The Farmer Refuted, 1775
http://www.selfgovernment.us/10/post/2012/05/alexander-hamilton-the-sacred-rights-of-mankind.html
“Government, in my humble opinion, should be formed to secure and to enlarge the exercise of natural rights of its members, and every government, which has not this in view, as its principle object, is not a government of the legitimate kind.”
— James Wilson
http://www.selfgovernment.us/10/post/2013/01/not-a-government-of-the-legitimate-kind.html
“Human law is law only by virtue of its accordance with right reason; and thus it is manifest that it flows from the eternal law. And in so far as it deviates from right reason it is called an unjust law; in such case it is no law at all, but rather a species of violence.”
— Thomas Aquinas, Summa theologiae, Ia-Ilae, q. xciii, art. 3, ad 2m.
http://www.selfgovernment.us/10/post/2012/11/thomas-aquinas-unjust-law-is-no-law-at-all.html
“This natural law, being as old as mankind and dictated by God himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe, in all countries, and at all times: no human laws are of any validity, if contrary to this; and such of them as are valid derive all their force, and all their authority, from this original.”
— William Blackstone, Commentaries on the Law of England (1765)
“[A]ll men are equally bound by the laws of nature, or to speak more properly, the laws of the Creator.”
— Samuel Adams
“The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right, which Heaven itself has ordained.”
— George Washington, 1789
“Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these: First, a right to life; Secondly, to liberty; Thirdly, to property; together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can. These are evident branches of, rather than deductions from, the duty of self-preservation, commonly called the first law of nature.”
— Samuel Adams, The Rights of the Colonists, The Report of the Committee of Correspondence to the Boston Town Meeting, Nov. 20, 1772
-- Martin Luther King, Jr., Letter from a Birmingham Jail"We should never forget that everything Adolf Hitler did in Germany was 'legal' and everything the Hungarian freedom fighters did in Hungary was 'illegal.'..."
The results of this poll are counter to most recent polls and national trends.
When you consider the source, you realize it is a media increasingly infatuated with the role given to them to help shape, rather than to report, the national conscience.
Young people have been increasingly pro-life for the last fifteen years, so there is hope. The old hags of the 1970s/1980s feminist movement are dying off.
Love and support of unlimited abortion is corrosive to the national fabric, because if the most innocent are unprotected, the rest of us are in jeopardy.
We will never be wrong by standing for what is right.
The long term trends are in our favor. We have to help our country survive the Obama years, because when America’s light goes out, it will not be relit.
Keep the faith, and keep standing for truth.
100% of us are destined for hell because of this.
We oppose it yet, fund it.
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