Posted on 01/22/2013 5:35:42 AM PST by thackney
LNG is more compact than CNG. It requires less volume to store the same BTU’s.
It also requires refrigeration down to -260°F. That liquid is going to start warming after it is loaded into the vehicle. In a long haul truck or a local fleet service that returns to a service center every night, that is a manageable issue. It would be more difficult for the typical individual commuter.
But the same BTU’s in LNG or CNG will weigh the same. It is the same molecules.
We switched to NATGAS...on the Freeways...when we could. Sometimes...it was dicey. And we would end up on the shoulder for a period of time. Ha!!
Point being....NATGAS powered vehicle's have been around for a long time.
Meaning equities....
I trade stocks...and have some ideas. But what do you think?
Appreciate your expertise...
Was that truck propane, rather than the methane of natural gas by chance?
The buses in Arlington Virginia also run on natural gas
It is interesting that Flying J is involved. They have truck stops at roughly 200 mile intervals on the interstates all over the country. Trucks that run the interstates seem a good prospect and are sort of a captive market. Flying J is the largest seller of Diesel in the country
Flying J bankrupt and was purchased by Pilot.
Pilot is owned and operated by the family of Bill Haslam, Republican Governor of Tennessee. His college roommate was Senator Bob Corker
I learned quite a while back that understanding the oil/gas industry is not the same as understanding the oil/gas market. It wasn't too painful a lesson but it was a lesson.
Besides, I'm still trying to unload these tulips from that big run up...
It is interesting that Flying J is involved.
Pilot / Flying J partnered with Clean Energy Fuels (T. Boone Pickens) a while back. Chesapeake and GE are also involved.
http://energy.aol.com/2012/02/07/lng-trucks-can-keep-on-trucking-la-to-salt-lake/
http://www.cleanenergyfuels.com/pdf/CE-OS.ANGH.012412.pdf
I suspect Pilot/FJ are mostly involved by providing existing stations with space for the expansion on key routes. The initial plans started with announcements from Clean Energy then added partners along the way.
There have been a lot of folks crunching numbers while figuring out how to put it all together and make it happen.
There is strength in synergy and lots of mind power has been used to create that synergy.
It’ll be interesting to see what kind of job they did and how it all pans out
NATGAS
I like the idea of short run trucks and especially “city” sevice vechiles using natural gas to help keep the engines clean and low maintanence.
Lots of garbage trucks are going with CNG these days.
Do you remember if they used 3,600 psi tank like they do today? I was curious if that had always been the case.
I think waste mgt. company has started to use them...BTW still a fan of your work on oil.
Waste Management has the nation’s largest fleet of heavy-duty trucks that run on clean-burning natural gas. We have 2,000-plus such trucks working across North American cities today, and we’re on a path to convert our 18,000 collection vehicle fleet to natural gas.
BTW, thanks for your reply.. re: Stocks
No advice is better than bad advice you might trust.
No sweat...Thanks!!
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