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Dem. Jerrold Nadler: “2 to 4 self-defense shots are enough,” he’s a jackass – period
Coach Is Right ^ | January 17th, 2013 | Kevin Collins

Posted on 01/19/2013 7:13:27 AM PST by IbJensen

or liberals facts are never really important. “Truth” to liberals like Democrat New York City Congressman Jerrold Nadler is what he “feels” it is. Nadler has said: “Hunters don’t use large ammunition clips, and as far as self- defense, I mean who are you defending yourself against? If you’re defending yourself against a robber… two or three or four shots should be enough—period.”

It’s a safe bet Nadler has never faced an assailant fueled by adrenalin drugs and alcohol. That doesn’t matter, of course, since no one will ever challenge Nadler on his supposed knowledge of the danger presented by people who are psychotic and drunk – “period.”

The “period” at the end of Nadler’s pronouncement is the classic liberal dismissal of anyone daring to disagree with their use of “feelings” as facts.

Nadler’s fantasy about real shooting combat brings up the death of New York City Police Sergeant Edward J. Johnson.

On January 8, 1960 Sergeant Johnson and his driver were on patrol in the Bowery district of lower Manhattan. The area was dotted with dozens of soup kitchens that catered to the skid row drunks and mental patients that freely walked New York’s streets.

Johnson responded to a call of a man with a knife who was menacing the staff and clients one of those soup kitchens. When Johnson arrived another team of cops was already on the scene and attempting to subdue the man in a narrow hallway. He was clearly a drunken paranoid schizophrenic. He had a 16 inch bread knife and was not giving it up.

At some point the man lunged at Johnson and all four cops started shooting from less than seven feet away. They fired 24 shots hitting him 16 times. Four of the shots should have killed the drunken psychotic instantly. One cleanly severed his spinal cord; another went through his heart. None of those shots killed him fast enough to stop him from plunging his knife into Sergeant Edward Johnson’s heart. Johnson died at the scene. The drunken psychotic died seconds later; but way too late.

Jerrold Nadler is a jackass; but he “feels” the right way about guns so that’s good enough – period.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: banglist; demagogicparty; evilobamaregime; fatstupidnadler; guncontrol; liarsidiotsscum; newyork; newyorkcity; pompousass; secondamendment
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His logic is based on his own girth. That is, if everyone was as obese as he was and presented as large a target as he is, then of course only 2-4 bullets would be required to hit the target.

Noodler probably never fired a gun.

1 posted on 01/19/2013 7:13:31 AM PST by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen
Cops which are supposedly trained to shoot and have been know to shoot 50 rounds without hitting the perp.
2 posted on 01/19/2013 7:16:49 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: IbJensen

I don’t know—it may take a bazooka to make more than a flesh wound in this guy..........


3 posted on 01/19/2013 7:18:20 AM PST by basil (basil)
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To: IbJensen

Great! Let’s start out by limiting police officers to guns with 3 rounds only. Right in the middle of his allowable range. More than that shouldn’t be ever be necessary. After all, the criminals the police have to confront are the very same ones victimizing the rest of us.


4 posted on 01/19/2013 7:19:21 AM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: IbJensen

He’s obviously never seen me shoot.


5 posted on 01/19/2013 7:19:57 AM PST by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: IbJensen
i guess when you have cholesterol instead of blood running through yer veins like the Waddler, brain functions cease...
6 posted on 01/19/2013 7:23:28 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: IbJensen

What a retarded statist puke!


7 posted on 01/19/2013 7:26:35 AM PST by Thorliveshere
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To: IbJensen

Fat and stupid is no way to go through life.


8 posted on 01/19/2013 7:28:53 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: IbJensen

For Nadler, I’d say a couple 30-round mags would be needed just to get through the blubber.

That, or a good elephant gun.


9 posted on 01/19/2013 7:31:42 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: IbJensen

Well when your shooting high power armor piercing, explode on impact rounds from a 22LR, he could have a point.


10 posted on 01/19/2013 7:32:03 AM PST by DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
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To: Hardraade

Maybe someone should stage a shootout in from of him with him being the target. All blanks of course but I bet he would reconsider his position...lol


11 posted on 01/19/2013 7:34:21 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: IbJensen

Surely, he is talking about AFTER the perp is downed.

Oldplayer


12 posted on 01/19/2013 7:35:17 AM PST by oldplayer
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To: IbJensen
It seems as though a large percentage of New Yorkers believe that they exist to tell other people what to do.

Put one of these creeps in the middle of a desert and he will immediately begin telling the lizards how to catch bugs.

13 posted on 01/19/2013 7:38:07 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: mountainlion

NYPD are trained like crap. Spray and pray seems to be SOP for these guys. (Dad was NYPD. He was also a marine so he knew how to shoot)

How many rounds in the magazine does no nads Nadler’s
Body guards carry?


14 posted on 01/19/2013 7:44:30 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: IbJensen

May this jackass never have to implement his theories.


15 posted on 01/19/2013 7:46:08 AM PST by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: Hardraade
For Nadler, I’d say a couple 30-round mags would be needed just to get through the blubber.

That, or a good elephant gun.

A harpoon gun for Moby

16 posted on 01/19/2013 7:47:02 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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‘My Wife Is a Hero’: Georgia Mother Shoots Home Intruder Five Times After Being Cornered in Attic

Exceprt:

“The perpetrator opens that door. Of course, at that time he’s staring at her, her two children and a .38 revolver,” [Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman] told Channel 2’s Kerry Kavanaugh.

The woman then shot him five times, but he survived, Chapman said. He said the woman ran out of bullets but threatened to shoot the intruder if he moved.

“She’s standing over him, and she realizes she’s fired all six rounds. And the guy’s telling her to quit shooting,” Chapman said.


17 posted on 01/19/2013 7:48:55 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: IbJensen

2 - 4 Shots from most semi-automatic handguns probably wouldn’t bring his fat ass down, especially if he’s moving toward you!


18 posted on 01/19/2013 7:51:42 AM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: IbJensen

Well placed per perp, maybe.

Jerrhole should concentrate on passing a law that only one person may commit a crime at a time. Then, a defensive posture would not require more rounds.


19 posted on 01/19/2013 7:54:25 AM PST by depressed in 06 (America conceived in liberty, dies in slavery.)
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To: IbJensen

There are over 8,000 home invasions each year with an average of 2-3 criminals taking part. 2-4 bullets would only work for a trained SEAL and he would probably still prefer more. Reducing the number of bullets could be called the Rapist Protection Act as it does nothing to protect the victim.


20 posted on 01/19/2013 7:54:38 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mountainlion
Cops which are supposedly trained to shoot and have been know to shoot 50 rounds without hitting the perp.

In some NY City shoot-outs I have read about the police shoot more innocent bystanders than criminals.

In other incidents police have fired huge numbers of rounds.

Not criticizing the officers - just commenting on the difficulties of putting every round where you intend. I'm sure the same thing takes place in other cities.

Here is a story of an incident last August where two police officers fired 16 rounds at one lone criminal with a gun and they wounded 9 innocent people.

Police Shot All Nine Bystanders in Empire State Gun Battle

Here is another incident where two policemen confronted a shooter armed with a lowly 6 shot .22 caliber revolver. The title speaks for itself:

Two NYPD Cops Fire 84 Rounds at Murder Suspect

And to keep it in context, remember that at the time NY City had some of the toughest gun control laws in the nation. And both shooters had illegal pistols, not scary, black, "Assault Rifles".


21 posted on 01/19/2013 7:55:32 AM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: IbJensen
He should limit his protection to one man with 2-4 bullits.
22 posted on 01/19/2013 7:56:37 AM PST by 20yearvet (they yell for more tests as long as its your money)
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To: IbJensen

100% FACT: In just the first 5 Amendments, it is perfectly clear that the founders wanted the citizens protected from GOVERNMENT, not rabid deer.

100% FACT: For the 2nd Amendment to have ANY worth, the citizens MUST have, at bare minimum, the same arms that the government would be willing to use against them.

100% FACT: With the very first law/regulation on the citizen’s RTKBA the 2nd Amendment was rendered moot. Both sides of the debate never seem to get to the “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED” portion which for an honest person would end any debate on the subject. They have INFRINGED therefore the Federal and state governments are currently in direct violation of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. There is no honest way around this point.

100% FACT: The first time speech was limited the 1st Amendment was rendered moot. Yes you can yell fire in a theater but if it is not on fire then you are responsible for any injury.

100% FACT: The 4th Amendment is completely worthless with government being allowed to search you without a warrant.

100% FACT: The 5th Amendment is being dismantled in many areas like forced traffic stops/inspections where you are essentially forced into acts which can and will be used against you.

The only one of the first 5 Amendments which is not currently under attack is the 3rd but with the others gone, who cares?

And before anyone attempts to attack the point on traffic stops by saying “well a right to drive is not in the Constitution”, I say, thank you communist union teachers for making us so Constitutionally ignorant. WE HAVE ALL CREATOR GIVEN RIGHTS except for those which the Founders agreed to assign to the Federal government and the citizens of individual states decided to assign to their state government.

If you want to look into the constitution for rights given to you by the government then you need to read the constitution for the former Soviet Union as it was they not the USA which gave government the power to assign rights.


23 posted on 01/19/2013 8:05:18 AM PST by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: IbJensen
"If you’re defending yourself against a robber… two or three or four shots should be enough—period.”

What a stupid a-hole -- period.

24 posted on 01/19/2013 8:08:44 AM PST by hummingbird
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To: IbJensen

I have some pet pointers about neurosurgical technique, 5-tone compositional scoring and particle accelerator design I’d like to share when fatass Nadler frees up the floor. Let me know if anyone sees any fat-quakes toward the door.


25 posted on 01/19/2013 8:09:47 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: IbJensen

Just stepping back and using common sense here, my guess is the number of bullets that are enough “self-defense shots” is equal to the number of shots fired that results in the assailant being rendered incapable of posing a threat which requires self-defense.

Or am I missing something?


26 posted on 01/19/2013 8:10:52 AM PST by MarDav
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To: IbJensen

The treasonous portly POS is setting the progressive parameters to be imposed on those sufficiently subjugated by socialists. Two steps forward, one step back.

DEPOPULATE socialists from the body politic.


27 posted on 01/19/2013 8:10:52 AM PST by PGalt
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To: DuncanWaring
"Fat and stupid is no way to go through life."

Nice quote from one of the best movies yet!

28 posted on 01/19/2013 8:11:05 AM PST by hummingbird
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To: DuncanWaring

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkoPq5AOCOA


29 posted on 01/19/2013 8:14:05 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: IbJensen

Isn’t it amazing how ignorance makes everything simple?


30 posted on 01/19/2013 8:16:46 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: IbJensen
Dem. Jerrold Nadler:2 to 4 self-defense shots are enough,”

So what if it's an armed robber - will the robber adhere to a "2 to 4 offensive shots are enough" rule ??

I'll use as many shots as I need Nadler so F off...

31 posted on 01/19/2013 8:19:50 AM PST by Mopp4
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To: IbJensen

If two to four shots is enough, Jerrold, then why did the government of you state freak out when they discovered that they had accidentally limited police officers to only seven shots?


32 posted on 01/19/2013 8:24:14 AM PST by Washi (Socialism is Slavery)
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To: IbJensen

A government smart enough to tell us what light bulbs we need is surely smart enough to tell us how many bullets we need.


33 posted on 01/19/2013 8:27:43 AM PST by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: IbJensen
what if you're defending yourself against....2 robbers? then you might need 4-8 shots. possibly more. What if you're defending yourself against 3 robbers? you might need 8-16 shots at that point then. What if you're confronted by an angry rioting mob? or a Gang? You'll probably want an assault rifle at that point with multiple 30 round magazines. The point of self defense firearm is to be maximally prepared to defend your life, not questionably prepared.

During his recent gun legislation speech, he President affirmed self defense as a legitimate reason for firearm ownership when he stated: "There are millions of responsible, law-abiding gun owners in America who cherish their right to bear arms for hunting, or sport, or protection, or collection. Having made that admission, the democrats now have to accept the reality that there is an increased incidence of multiple perpetrator homicides in America.


34 posted on 01/19/2013 8:48:10 AM PST by RC one (.From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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To: IbJensen
Someone breaks into my home I'm emptying all 15 rounds out of the Glock into them. Only reason I'd stop firing sooner is if they had already fallen to the ground.

124 gr Federal Hydra-shok JHP. Yeah, it'll be a mess, but the wife wants new carpet anyway. 2 to 4 rounds my lily white backside. Maybe 2 or 4 rounds of the high-brass #1 buck I've got loaded in the 12 ga...

35 posted on 01/19/2013 8:50:44 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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Excuse me, Mr. Robber. I’d really appreciate it if you’d kneel down and put your head against this barrel. Yes, just like that. Now, please, don’t move or I’ll have used up my limit of shots. Thank you so very much for your cooperation in this.


36 posted on 01/19/2013 9:00:18 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: IbJensen

One of my favorite Dilbert cartoons....directed to the fat Nadler.

http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2009-02-25/


37 posted on 01/19/2013 9:02:08 AM PST by GreatMan
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To: IbJensen

More wisdom from the “feelings are better than reason” crowd.

The only thing worse than their ignorance is their arrogance: the assumption that their feelings should have the force of law (enforced at gunpoint—rather ironic, that).


38 posted on 01/19/2013 9:08:50 AM PST by hitkicker (The only thing worse than a politician is a child molester)
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with 4 shots even if you miss half the time you can still kill 2 people. that is, if you are not shooting those scary hollow point bullets. then, an extra 2 will probably be killed somehow. Yeah, I see his logic


39 posted on 01/19/2013 9:29:00 AM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: IbJensen

It sounds like Waddler is trying to split the baby here. He doesn’t want civilians to have *any* shots. *None.* *Zero.* But he knows he can’t get a 100% ban on all guns, so he’s trying to stake out what seems, to him, to be a reasonable compromise. That’s what all these fools who are calling for 10-round maximum magazines are trying to do.

In their hearts, they want the little people (not counting their personal bodyguards) completely disarmed but they know they can’t get that so they try for a compromise. His arbitrary number just happens to be less than the arbitrary number the other gun-grabbers are talking about.


40 posted on 01/19/2013 9:41:43 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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NYPD is legendary for its lack of shooting expertise.

Several years ago several cops got into it with a perp:

125 shots fired (total from all sides in the fight)

No one (0) was hit. Seriously.


41 posted on 01/19/2013 9:43:45 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: Vaquero
Back in the 60’s NY Cops carried .38 Wheel Guns, six shots. Then there was also the issue of weapons training, not good.

Then there was the issue of whose son, nephew, or cousin you were, and the most Important Question, were you Irish or Italian, no others need apply.

42 posted on 01/19/2013 9:49:45 AM PST by Little Bill (A)
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To: IbJensen

Couple of points:

1. Young people in the age range that are a problme are much larger than they used to be and will be harder to take down.
2. The small calibers require more ammunition as they are not nearly as destructive as a .45
3. The use of drugs by perps is nearly universal by perps and they are much harder to stop than in the past.

Nadler is completely ignorant of the subject.


43 posted on 01/19/2013 9:55:10 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: Little Bill

All true

Dad retired in 68 and gave up his model 10 s&w .38.

once a year he went to Rodman’s neck range and practiced with wad cutters. Of course he carried round nose bullets on duty and they shot to a different point of aim.
The wad cutters were so soft they filled the rifling with lead. My job was to clean it after the range. He only had a wooden cleaning rod with slot tip. So cleaning only removed powder fouling.


44 posted on 01/19/2013 10:08:01 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Little Bill

Ps. Dad was of the Italian persuasion. After the war they took him and his cousin. But he did not have a ‘rabbi’ to get him in that I know. It was a veteran thing in 1946 when he joined.


45 posted on 01/19/2013 10:11:52 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: IbJensen

Nadler asked “I mean who are you defending yourself against?”
Answer: Against jack booted thugs trying to take my weapons.


46 posted on 01/19/2013 10:16:11 AM PST by ivan65
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To: basil

The only thing Nadler has ever “faced down,” was a huge brisket of beef!
When you look in the dictionary under the word “turd,” Nadler’s picture is there!


47 posted on 01/19/2013 10:38:43 AM PST by vette6387
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To: IbJensen

Ok, so let’s pass a law, or, as they are currently being called, an “Executive” order.

All criminals must die by the third shot.


48 posted on 01/19/2013 11:58:23 AM PST by blu
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To: IbJensen

Typical liberal red herring bullhockey...the 2nd Amendment is NOT about hunting or personal self defense. Any such argument regarding personal self defense and hunting, while protected by the 1st Amendment, is only aimed at creating a false problem in search of a solution. The 2nd Amendment IS about the security of a free state. Period.


49 posted on 01/19/2013 12:27:06 PM PST by pack29172 (Just remember, when seconds count, the cops are only minutes away...)
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To: Vaquero
Every on had a “Rabbi”, I did a very short tour in Armed Forces Police in NYC. The stories the the real cops told were very enlighting and cynical.
50 posted on 01/19/2013 12:47:02 PM PST by Little Bill (A)
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