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GOP eyes new election laws
Associated Press ^ | Jan 18, 2013 10:18 AM EST | Steve Peoples

Posted on 01/18/2013 8:14:00 AM PST by Olog-hai

After back-to-back presidential losses, Republicans in key states want to change the rules to make it easier for them to win.

From Wisconsin to Pennsylvania, GOP officials who control legislatures in states that supported President Barack Obama are considering changing state laws that give the winner of a state’s popular vote all of its Electoral College votes, too. Instead, these officials want Electoral College votes to be divided proportionally, a move that could transform the way the country elects its president.

Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus endorsed the idea this week, and other Republican leaders support it, too, suggesting that the effort may be gaining momentum. There are other signs that Republican state legislators, governors and veteran political strategists are seriously considering making the shift as the GOP looks to rebound from presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s Electoral College shellacking and the demographic changes that threaten the party’s long-term political prospects. …

Democrats are outraged at the potential change. …

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OK . . . this is some garbled reporting. Now I need to find out what the truth is here.
1 posted on 01/18/2013 8:14:04 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

I’d settle for eying a viable conservative candidate.


2 posted on 01/18/2013 8:15:26 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Olog-hai
My guess would be that it is garbled so that not too many people read it, understand it, like it, and say "Hey! I want my state to do that!"

I've heard of burying the lead, but this presstitute seems to be burying the entire concept.

3 posted on 01/18/2013 8:19:19 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: Olog-hai

I want my state’s electoral votes given according to number of congressional districts won.

That way if Detroit wants to cheat and produce 10 trillion votes for Obozo, they can and it won’t make a bit of difference. They’ll still pick up only the allotted number of electoral votes for the district.


4 posted on 01/18/2013 8:20:20 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Puppage

All I know is that in the People’s Repubic of Maryland O’Mally and the Democrats voted not to proportion the electoral vote and they are certainly Democrats.

Of course with AP we know whose side they are on.
The writing in this article is so bad no one can understand it, but what I believe upsets the Democrats is that they want all electoral votes in Democrat States to go for them, but they want proportion in Mixed states that could go majority Republican.

Of course they want to blame this on Republicans.
They want to blame everything on Republicans.
One day they will wake up and blame Obama on Republicans.


5 posted on 01/18/2013 8:21:04 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Olog-hai

Expect lawsuits from the (in)Justice Dept fighting this, a la state sponsored voter id law.


6 posted on 01/18/2013 8:21:34 AM PST by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: Olog-hai
Simple, just require Voter IDs


7 posted on 01/18/2013 8:21:54 AM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Olog-hai

This would be an absolute long term disaster for us and the last nail in the coffin. This is saying “we can’t win so we rig the game”. If the GOP is SO pathetic that it has to do this, it is dead.

How about some decent Conservative candidates?


8 posted on 01/18/2013 8:23:00 AM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: Olog-hai

Although naturally framed as a GOP ploy by AP, this makes sense and is based upon the idea of the Electoral College itself.

Why should cities like Madison, Chicago, Detroit, New York City and Philadelphia, et. al., have the luxury of carrying a disproportional weight and carrying an entire state to the exclusion of the entire rest of the state?


9 posted on 01/18/2013 8:23:42 AM PST by Obadiah (Of course Obama wants to protect our children. After all, who else is going to pay off his debt?)
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To: Olog-hai

Talk about an obvious leftist hit piece posing as news.

As for changing the electoral law that is a very bad idea.


10 posted on 01/18/2013 8:25:30 AM PST by Monorprise
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To: Olog-hai

This is fine with me. The Dems are importing new voters by the millions and putting them on the dole so why shouldn’t our side do more to help our chances?


11 posted on 01/18/2013 8:25:45 AM PST by lone star annie
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To: Olog-hai
Democrats are outraged at the potential change.

The poor dears.

12 posted on 01/18/2013 8:27:21 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: All

is this the same old same old proportional awarding or is it going to shift balance away from the heavily titled city zombies.


13 posted on 01/18/2013 8:29:22 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Obadiah

“Although naturally framed as a GOP ploy by AP, this makes sense and is based upon the idea of the Electoral College itself.

Why should cities like Madison, Chicago, Detroit, New York City and Philadelphia, et. al., have the luxury of carrying a disproportional weight and carrying an entire state to the exclusion of the entire rest of the state?”

Thanks to the usurper Federal employees in black robes back in the 1960’s who abolished the States republican form of Government with their senate. Theses urban machines also control the state to the execution of the rights and liberties of everyone else.

Still going to a popular vote will allow theses same handful of corrupt urban machines to dominate Federal politics as well.

You have any idea the extent to which theses corrupt urban machine managed to squelch republican votes and inflate their own?

There is a dam good reason the popular vote is not the way we elect presidents. It is full of fraud!


14 posted on 01/18/2013 8:30:46 AM PST by Monorprise
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To: ClearCase_guy

Shhhhhhh. We can’t let Californians know they could do this...


15 posted on 01/18/2013 8:31:50 AM PST by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: Olog-hai
OMG, let us start small here, how about our Primaries 1st

* How about closed Primaries?
* How about shunning the Lame-Stream-Media and doing your own events using our Talk Show Host as questioners and folks like Byron York, Mark Steyn, Huge Hewitt, Dennis Prager etc etc i.e. folks with a brain asking the questions?
* How about proportional delegate wins with no funny games a-la Michigan, i.e. consistant rules from State to State?

16 posted on 01/18/2013 8:32:01 AM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: Obadiah
this makes sense and is based upon the idea of the Electoral College itself.

Exactly and people would have recognized it prior to the passage of the 17th anti constitutional amendment. Its called representative government.
17 posted on 01/18/2013 8:32:12 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: longtermmemmory

I don’t think the city’s are zombies so much as electorally high-jacked by their local machines. I don’t believe that the urban vote is legitimately counted, nor do I believe it has been in many if not most city’s for most of the last 50 years.


18 posted on 01/18/2013 8:32:47 AM PST by Monorprise
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To: Puppage

I’d settle for closed primaries. A little peace of mind on that point has become more and more appreciated.

The RNC Rule changes need to be understood, as grassroot conservatives seem to be more and more marginalized at convention.

Definite hat tip to Libertarians who stood up and fought the Establishment surrogates on some of these state and national committees.


19 posted on 01/18/2013 8:33:33 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Olog-hai

This, plus fraud prevention (mainly voter ID), would go a long way towards defanging the Democrat machine. If EC votes were awarded on a district-by-district basis in the state of California, that could be enough to swing many presidential elections. Not all of California is full of moonbats.


20 posted on 01/18/2013 8:35:27 AM PST by Disambiguator (Gun ownership is pro-life.)
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To: cripplecreek

Now THAT idea of yours, I actually understand. What could possibly the hold up with the pointy heads in the ongoing R Conference?


21 posted on 01/18/2013 8:38:51 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Disambiguator

I’d throw right to work in there as another means of declawing the democrat vote fraud machine. Massive vote fraud ain’t cheap and cutting off a primary source of funding is a good way to go.


22 posted on 01/18/2013 8:40:24 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Monorprise
As for changing the electoral law that is a very bad idea.

Why is it a bad idea?

23 posted on 01/18/2013 8:43:14 AM PST by FreedomOfExpression
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To: RIghtwardHo

Check out number 4. It addresses the point of the post.


24 posted on 01/18/2013 8:43:25 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: cripplecreek
I want my state’s electoral votes given according to number of congressional districts won.

That way if Detroit wants to cheat and produce 10 trillion votes for Obozo, they can and it won’t make a bit of difference. They’ll still pick up only the allotted number of electoral votes for the district.

Exactly why the GOP needs to push this in every state possible. The whole point of the electoral college is to prevent urban enclaves outvoting and ruling over agricultural regions.

The Founders weren't stupid, they were seeking a balance that would avoid the city elite / peasant farmer dichotomy that civilization tends to devolve toward.

25 posted on 01/18/2013 8:44:42 AM PST by Valpal1
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To: FreedomOfExpression

Because the leftist are already trying to go to a popular vote to allow just the sort of electoral corruption and high-jacking that now dominates our city’s to dominate presidential elections as well.

While this may benefit us in liberal dominated states it will kill us in Conservative States that still host high-jacked urban areas.

This is a two edge sword and the other edge is already well on its way to cutting our throats with their corruption.


26 posted on 01/18/2013 8:49:08 AM PST by Monorprise
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To: RitaOK

Its the way we’re “supposed” to do our GOP primaries in Michigan but they never expected a Romney/Santorum tie so they had to change the rules in the middle of the night. Its a bit more complicated but basically Romney took 3000 more total votes but they divided congressional districts evenly and were supposed to split the two remaining at large delegates but the GOP couldn’t afford for Romney to tie in Michigan.

There would be no late night rule change in the general election between the parties.


27 posted on 01/18/2013 8:51:40 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Valpal1

“”I want my state’s electoral votes given according to number of congressional districts won.
That way if Detroit wants to cheat and produce 10 trillion votes for Obozo, they can and it won’t make a bit of difference. They’ll still pick up only the allotted number of electoral votes for the district.”

Exactly why the GOP needs to push this in every state possible. The whole point of the electoral college is to prevent urban enclaves outvoting and ruling over agricultural regions.

I agree but do you really think bring it down to districting is a good idea? Suppose the corrupt democrats claim the State leglsators?

Presidential elections will go with the State leglsators, which on 2nd though might not be so bad.

I withdraw opposition, provided it follow the congressional district model.


28 posted on 01/18/2013 8:53:15 AM PST by Monorprise
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To: Puppage

“I’d settle for eying a viable conservative candidate.”

It doesn’t make any difference who the candidates are as long as the left controls elections and is allowed voting “irregularities” as they see fit. The Supreme Court, earlier this week, left in place a ruling from 1982 that disallows Republicans from challenging ANY voter fraud on the part of democrats.


29 posted on 01/18/2013 8:55:06 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: cripplecreek; All
The map below shows the counties won by Obama in blue and the ones won by Romney in red. We’re all ruled by the cities.


30 posted on 01/18/2013 8:56:42 AM PST by Obadiah (Of course Obama wants to protect our children. After all, who else is going to pay off his debt?)
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To: Obadiah
Although naturally framed as a GOP ploy by AP, this makes sense and is based upon the idea of the Electoral College itself.

The problem (and the reason it is able to be easily framed as a GOP ploy) is that the GOP is ONLY considering making this change in states that have trended Democratic in Presidential elections. No solid (or even marginal) red states are considering this. That makes this look like a transparently partisan move.

31 posted on 01/18/2013 8:58:40 AM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: darkwing104
Simple, just require Voter IDs

Yeah, that was the booby prize offered by our Quisling State GOP Chairman Rob Gleason after he blocked an electoral vote allocation by congressional district bill in 2011.

The ID bill passed and, of course, the Democrats had a hissy fit and sued. They found one fudgepacker judge to issue an injunction to suspend in just in time for the 2012 election.

Screw ém. The cheating party will scream no matter what. Nebraska has had congressional district voting since 1970 and Maine since 1990. Since BO picked up one Nebraska electoral vote in 2008, they have no grounds to challenge such a law.

Enact it. Enact voter ID as well. Let the DemonRATS play defense on multiple fronts. They have too much time to play offense now.

And, while they are at it, the GOP should put some teeth in encouraging this type of thing to spread by allocating GOP delegates more on the basis of rewarding states which actually deliver electoral votes to the GOP ticket in November, including those who do it by congressional district voting. It makes no damn sense to give a state like California, who will never deliver GOP electoral votes in November, more primary delegates than Texas, which reliably does.

32 posted on 01/18/2013 9:02:04 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: cripplecreek
I want my state’s electoral votes given according to number of congressional districts won. That way if Detroit wants to cheat and produce 10 trillion votes for Obozo, they can and it won’t make a bit of difference. They’ll still pick up only the allotted number of electoral votes for the district.

Well said. Hopefully the GOP will get that premise out there in the public, that voter fraud won't be such a threat if big cities can't sway the entire state, that liberal strongholds in cities won't rule the country.

Come on, GOP, get out there and fight for the people for a change.

33 posted on 01/18/2013 9:02:44 AM PST by Kenny (<p)
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To: Valpal1; Monorprise
Question for discussion:

Since we were formed as the United STATES and not the United Electoral Votes or United Congressional Districts do you think that the Founders were seeking a balance more at the individual state level rather than what you mention (the city elite vs. peasant farmer)?

34 posted on 01/18/2013 9:02:56 AM PST by frogjerk (Obama Claus is coming to town!)
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To: Obadiah

This crap is exactly why I have always been so vehemently opposed to the 17th anti constitutional amendment.

It was popular vote snake oil sold under the banner of empowerment and all it did was strip power from the states. Here in Michigan the GOP holds a huge majority across all 3 branches of state government but Detroit, Flint, and Ann Arbor elect Levin and Stabenow over and over again.

Prior to the 17th a senator who attempted to override the desires of the state could be removed by the legislature. Today the state wants one thing but “our” senators do exactly the opposite.

Its also important to note that the GOP holds all 3 branches in 24 states. The democrats hold all 3 in 13 states. The senate should resemble the nation but it doesn’t.


35 posted on 01/18/2013 9:06:20 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Olog-hai

Anyone remember when democraps proposed this during the 2000s when Bush and Republicans were winning elections? It was “good idea” back then, but now that it has turned around, its a Republican play. The media in this country sucks.


36 posted on 01/18/2013 9:09:01 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Olog-hai

This is a start. And keep the cities from overwhelming the entire state. Go for it.


37 posted on 01/18/2013 9:10:27 AM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: Obadiah
Current districts in Michigan. The one northern democrat district would be the toss up. Flint is in the southern part but most of the district is conservative.

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38 posted on 01/18/2013 9:11:55 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek
Wasn't the 17th Amendment supposed to remove corruption by party bosses as well? That worked out great, didn't it?
39 posted on 01/18/2013 9:12:49 AM PST by frogjerk (Obama Claus is coming to town!)
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To: taildragger
How about closed Primaries?

ANd states with same day registration and crossover voting be the LAST to vote in the primaries.

40 posted on 01/18/2013 9:13:26 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (Sometimes it takes calamity to lead to serenity - FReeper RacerX1128)
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To: frogjerk

The electoral college was established at the federal level for national elections, so I assume the founders meant what they did.

They also left the apportionment of electoral votes up to the states to decide for themselves.


41 posted on 01/18/2013 9:19:19 AM PST by Valpal1
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To: Obadiah
>> The map below shows the counties won by Obama in blue and the ones won by Romney in red. We’re all ruled by the cities. <<

Bingo. The freepers claiming it's a north vs. south battle in this country with "liberal yankeeland" have it wrong. States like Indiana certainly aren't "liberal". Rather, it's an urban vs. rural battle for the culture of this country.

If you live in El Paso, Chicago, New York, Los Angeles, Memphis, Detroit, Miami, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Denver, Las Vegas, St. Louis, Charlotte, Cleveland, Milwaukee, etc., the local government and electorate is overwhelmingly Democrat and liberal.

42 posted on 01/18/2013 9:20:42 AM PST by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: Olog-hai

The cities have become over-representative in the representative assembly that is the Electoral College. This is the way to balance it. State by state.


43 posted on 01/18/2013 9:23:15 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: RIghtwardHo
This is saying “we can’t win so we rig the game”.

Strangely it works for the Dims?

We will never win another election if we let them own the voting machines, which should be outlawed.

44 posted on 01/18/2013 10:01:56 AM PST by itsahoot (MSM and Fox free since Nov 1st. If it doesnÂ’t happen here then it didn't happen.)
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To: BillyBoy
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45 posted on 01/18/2013 10:07:53 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: RIghtwardHo

I think you’re wrong on this. Here in Washington State, elections are won by the votes of King County, in spite of the fact that most of the state is conservative.


46 posted on 01/18/2013 10:41:14 AM PST by gunner03
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