Posted on 01/16/2013 6:51:48 PM PST by palmer
"I was going to write my Congressman but there was a sudden gust of wind and the letter blew away." Make sense? How about: this: "I lost my firearms in a (insert overused unfunny cliche) accident so I no longer exercise my Second Amendment rights." In other words, I'll just pretend to not be armed until some ill-defined time in the future, and then I'll get out my firearms, and do some practice since I won't have had any for years and then... ?? Maybe at that point I'll find my pen and some more paper and ???
Good for you! Seriously.
Not sure I’m really understanding the point you’re trying to make though.
I called my senator but her last name is Feinstein, so it is the same as throwing up a letter into the wind
I would love to fight this in the political Arena, but unfortunately I have Sen.s Mikulski, Cardin ,and Representative Steny Hoyer.
My letter may as well be lost as to write to these liberal piss-ants.
when the republican party called for a donation, I gave him a long winded rant and hung up on him. May as well have started punching and slapping the wind
Call the capitol switchboard and ask for any Congress Critter you want. It will help if you are prepared to give an address and zip code from their district. 202-224-3121. Or you can call after hours and leave them a voice mail.
At what point do we stand and fight? What’s the trigger event for you? Abrogation of the 2nd? Suspension of habeus corpus? Cancellation of an election?
“”I lost my firearms in a (insert overused unfunny cliche) accident “
I sold all of mine in a private sale to a couple of New Yorkers.
>> Or you can call after hours and leave them a voice mail.
Unless their mailbox is full. Which is usually.
Let’s face it — if you’re not a big donor they don’t give a rat’s ass about hearing from you.
More precisely — their INTERNS don’t give a rat’s ass.
Mr. or Mrs. Important Representative him/herself are too important to have contact with mere citizens.
I was freaked out the past week of so about obamas executive orders. BUT after reading them I believe he has blinked.
He is toothless. He wants congress to deal with this.
The congress and Senate are too afraid to pass anything as they WILL LOSE THEIR JOBS.
HOO HOO today was a good day!
Buy more firearms and donate them to the Urban Outdoorsmen.
You can pry them from my old gray head.
The moment any gun-grabber decides to visit my area....
I get and second his point.
Too many gun owners will not admit thereto without veiling the fact in a lame overused embarrassing joke about “lost ‘em all in a boating accident”.
They’re the people who, when needed to stand up and fight, will quietly excuse themselves due to some subsequent engagement.
Bugs the hell outta me here on FR.
At this point, I would be very careful writing to any Federal official. I have a sneaking suspicion that the names and address of dissidents will be kept for future use. Me? As the tag-line says. Loading up and hunkering down. Burying firearms and ammo in the side lot.
Abrogation is being done one infringement at a time. We have to fight every infringement. Read the NRA website that I linked to. They may not be perfect but they say we have to stand and fight. We need to do so while we have numbers to do so. If we "lose" too many firearms in accidents, then we lose politically.
You'd think with all the damn "boating accidents" that FR consisted of nothing but Kennedys.
Your prior rants on this topic were my inspiration.
You can choose to do whatever you want to do. I am only suggesting that people should not copy your strategy.
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A critical question indeed!
As a society we have become desensitized to violence ("Bullet To The Head" is the name of Stallone's latest movie, or take a video game like "Assassin's Creed") yet we are personally appalled at the thought of committing violence against anyone. (Even when they richly deserve it!) We are a very law-abiding people, really, except for that tiny fraction of one percent who are true psychotic nutjobs.
Remember, the colonial militiamen on Lexington Green were in retreat when the "shot heard 'round the world" became THEIR trigger event.
So what, indeed, will push us over the edge and make us take that old musket down from the mantlepiece? I feel we are very close to such a moment.
:-)
Would a 10,000% tax on ammunition qualify? How about an 18 month waiting period for a long gun? Somehow I don’t see them driving around shouting “Bring out your guns”
I think there’s an incrementalism in Obama’s EO’s.
For example, tracing arms used in crimes, could lead to civil suits against the gun owner himself. Who would want to own a gun that could cost you all you have worked for?
As far as taking action, go to any and all gun shows just to piss off the liberals. That’s my answer.
My other answer is, well... I just ordered 2 more Garand's for my collection and another 2,000 rounds of ammo in case my neighbors need hardware some day. I paid too damn much for the ammo, but I considered myself lucky to even find it right now. I'm actually quite excited, I ordered one of the re barreled Garand's in .308... so it's like Christmas time around here with me waiting for the FedEx guy.
Just don't call a magazine a clip.
...I believe a combination of improved access to mental health services, restrictions on certain weapons intended for the battlefield, and elimination of the gun show loophole are sensible steps that can protect our communities and particularly, our children...
He's partially right, mostly wrong. No restrictions. Where in the Bill of Rights does it say these rights may be infringed and restricted based on what someone else has or is doing. (eg. the military) Hmm, let's see... Oh, it doesn't. In fact the Bill of Rights explicitly says these rights shall not be infringed. Sorry Senator, I am diametrically opposed to you on that restrictions thing - letting some political hack determine what I need or don't need. That's not freedom and liberty, that's tyranny.
Also good Senator, if you are really concerned about the safety of our children in their schools you'll take steps to immediately end the idiotic and utterly failed "gun free zone" policy. That has been a failure for 20 years now. All it does is turn our schools into hunting preserves for the evil and insane. We should allow, even encourage teachers and staff to get firearms, get training, and carry their weapons with them at all times.
I think I get your point.
I do understand, however, why people would want to give big thug government the finger - - there’s something satisfying about that. But the best way to address big thug government’s efforts at citizen control is to make all gun and ammo purchases privately with cash. Gun shows are good places to shop. NEVER use your real name (unless for some reason you are asked by a genuine LEO). Use your “pen name”. Make your buys and shut up. Stay off the radar.
Then you never have to “capsize your boat”.
bttt
I just couldn't resist the temptation to fix that.
The First Nitwit signed an Executive Order ordering hinmself to nominate someone to fill the vacant position of Director of the ATF.
That is Obama's responsibility and he has left the position vacant since he was sworn in in 2009.
A big factor affecting the delay has been the controversies surrounding the gun running schemes that the ATF has been involved in. Another is the ongoing disagreement over gun control - democrats want more from the ATF and republicans are opposed..
I’m not sure if you’re recognizing the meaning behind the “lost ‘em all in a boating accident” phrase. It’s not an attempt to disengage from supporting the 2nd Amendment by any means.
Ya aren’t getting it, are ya?
Admitting you own firearms on a public forum such as this just puts you on a fedgov list. That means if obastard gets his way, you’ll get one of the first friendly visits. You won’t stand a chance. Of course, all active Freepers are probably already on that list, so it is a moot point. (Think that sounds nuts? Look at how the DHS has identified potential domestic terrorists.)
Ergo, it’s simply laughing in the face of tryranny.
That said, denying you own firearms does not preclude expressing your pro-2nd view to your congresscritters.
The congress and Senate are too afraid to pass anything as they WILL LOSE THEIR JOBS.
I hope you are right.
I fear you are wrong.
Either way, I'm going to attend the Gun Appreciation Day gathering at my state capitol (Denver) on Saturday. That is my part in letting my representatives know that I'm serious about putting them out of a job if they vote the wrong way.
Trigger Point, quite an interesting term.
Let’s see, if we as a People decide not to Comply with the Unconstitutional Mandates being dictated to us by self serving Politicians, we have no doubt that the Government they control will act against us.
Their support by the Useful and Useless Idiots who Elected them means nothing to me simply because I know my Rights come from God Almighty, not some untrustworthy people that wouldn’t warrant an ounce of respect from me.
I have already made the decision that I will not Comply, and every Law Abiding Gun Owner will have to make that choice in the very near future. I will do whatever I need to do to protect myself and my Family from my, no THE Government, which is something I would have never imagined having to do in my lifetime.
We live in a Society where a majority of the population are slaves to popular culture. These are the same people that now depend on Fascists to meet their needs and wants so they can avoid the sacrifices required to be a free people.
At a soon to be point in time, “Representatives” of the Government will either act as Agents of Tyranny against the “former” Law Abiding Citizens of the United States or they will disobey their orders and stand down.
The Trigger Point will involve a Citizen resisting the invasion of his Home by the new American SS. He/She will either become a Martyr or a Political Prisoner and that same person will embolden others to resist. Instead of a Trigger Point, it will be more akin to Rolling Thunder IMHO.
I agree with all of that. I believe the number of people on the list should be as large as possible by our efforts, not theirs. Already there is a hint of divide and conquer around here and we are doing it to ourselves.
I sometimes hear the argument that gassing Americans would be politically incorrect. However the answer is that right now, raids against law-abiding Americans to confiscate their guns is politically incorrect, although just barely. What the left wants is to further demonize gun owners to make it politically correct to grab their guns. It doesn’t help that people feed the image of gun ownership as a fringe issue.
I do recognize the meaning. It’s still sapping strength from the pro-gun position by feigning weakness instead of asserting confidence. We need people standing up shouting “molon labe” instead of mumbling “well I lost ‘em...”
It’s giving a little dirt and water to Xerxes, a trifling token of abject submission.
You know, the “guns in the lake” thing doesn’t bother me at all... I just take it as it was meant to be taken.
It’s a joke, son. J-O-K-E, Joke.
Lighten up, Francis. Or do you think we have to walk around all long-faced every hour of every day to be True Believing conservatives?
The stuff you read into it is asinine. If I have to share a foxhole with anyone, I don’t want it to be a sourpuss, tell you what.
“Admitting you own firearms on a public forum such as this just puts you on a fedgov list.”
Oh, I’m on a list all right. NFA. Three times, and two more soon if I can manage. I’ve let them know that not only do I have guns, I’ve got some pretty serious ones, and they have absolutely no justification to take them (as I’ve passed every conceivable background check).
I’m on another list too. C&R. I’m so trustworthy I can have battle rifles shipped to my door with zero government monitoring, and they know it.
Yeah I have guns.
Yeah I’m on fedgov lists.
Yeah they know there is no justification to disarm me.
Her staffers might read your letter and a few drips of common sense might seep into their heads.
They probably have daily brain bleaching sessions so they don't get infected with thoughts of liberty.
I wouldn’t read so much into it if there wasn’t so much of it to read.
You’re too full of yourself. You have your ideas and your opinions like all of us — cool — but what you actually KNOW about anyone here and their true motives asymtotically approaches zero.
You seem to think there are just two possible outcomes to tyranny:
a) Turn in your guns the first time you’re asked, or
b) Open the door with guns a-blazin’, get yourself and probably your loved ones killed immediately, but I GOT TWO OF THE BASTARDS BEFORE THEY GOT ME!!!
You couldn’t be more wrong. And I don’t give a damn how many C&R permits you hold — you’re STILL wrong. Should it actually come down to it, there are much more *effective* means of resistance than meeting them headon at the front door with your tricked out Black Rifle.
FRegards
Oh, one more thing. In all of your FR bluster about guns and how badass you are and how badass we should all be, I’m reminded of that old adage: “Those that know don’t talk... those that talk don’t know.”
You’re too full of yourself. You have your ideas and your opinions like all of us — cool — but what you actually KNOW about anyone here and their true motives asymtotically approaches zero.
Touche.
On the other hand I actually DO know more about you and your motives, because you’re working so tirelessly to shove them down my and everyone else’s throat.
Ever been in the military?
Just curious.
Shoving them? No, just exercising my 1st Amendment right in a way this forum was intended to facilitate. You can ignore me if you want. You can stop reading this thread if you want. Don’t criticize me for participating the same way you are.
You replied to me first, remember.
“You replied to me first, remember.”
Oops, strike that.
But do note that this thread was, as has been noted, inspired by my comments elsewhere. You asked what the point was, and I explained it.
“Ever been in the military?”
I’m reminded of that old adage: “Those that know don’t talk... those that talk don’t know.”
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