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Posted on 01/16/2013 12:09:28 PM PST by TurboZamboni
The gloves are coming off. We're 11 months from full implementation and the real-world impact of Obamacare is hitting the newswires. Taco Bell and Wendy's just cut the hours of hundreds of employees to avoid the Obamacare employer health insurance mandate. These workers will not only not have health insurance, they will have less money to pay for it and may be forced into Medicaid under the individual mandate.
Now, the Internal Revenue Service is warning employers not to avoid the employer mandate. The IRS issued a 144-page notice which says they will soon issue proposed regulations with "anti-abuse rules."
This means penalties. The IRS intends to penalize any employer who dares to follow the law by finding the Obamacare's legal loopholes and employing perfectly legal tactics to avoid its penalties. These legal tactics are nothing new. But President Obama doesn't like it so he's called out the IRS bloodhounds.
In fact, nothing in the Obamacare law says employers can't cut hours, re-hire, split companies into separate legal entities to shrink the size of the company to the requisite penalty-avoiding 49 employees, or use temporary agencies. As the National Federation of Independent Business (NFIB) states, "A business can avoid the penalties by firing employees, by not hiring new ones, by replacing full-timers with part-timers, or by outsourcing."
In addition, because Obamacare defines "full-time" as 30 hours/week...
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Affordable Care Act - ObamaCare, euphemistically.
Who does it benefit? Who does it hurt?
It benefits lawyers and power mad politicians. It hurts everyone else.
Nothing but a scare tactic. If outlawing tax loopholes were as easy as adding an “anti abuse” provision the IRS would have done so long ago to all taxes across the board.
We are sliding, no, rocketing int full-blown fascism, where we still have private capital but are told in minute detail what to do with it.
Now companies will be told how many people to employ, and for how many hours, and what benefits to give them.
Plus local fascist rules like what kind of oil to put in the fryolators and how big the drink cups must be, and where to stand to smoke tobacco.
Actually the administration is correct on this. Directive 10-289 specifically prohibits business owners from changing their workforce, prices, or output.
Sure will be awful hard to prove you needed a person more than 28 hrs...and were therefore in violation.
I can almost see a cottage industry of labor finders with a pool of fast foodians ready to work 20 hrs for one place and 20 hrs for another....they get their hours and the owners shed overhead....
obama can shove his Directive 10-289 where the sun don’t shine.
I predict that when they go bankrupt and close their doors the feral government will prosecute them for evading Obamacare mandates.
Could further distortion and abuse of 0bamacare (outside its original scope) by our own gov’t cause a revisit by our SCOTUS? I would think that is likely. Roberts will be blackmailed again, however.
“The rules is what we say the rules is.” -—Obama Administration Memo
Who is John Galt?
re: “obama can shove his Directive 10-289 where the sun dont shine.”
Everyone else probably already knows this, but I had to look up what “Directive 10-289” is.
It’s a reference to a fictional directive in Ayn Rand’s book “Atlas Shrugged” in which the government had run the economy into the ground, then had to create Directive 10-289 that forbade companies/employers from doing anything with their businesses to avoid all the government mandates and regulations.
It is a burden on the employee to have to report to two different locations to earn 40 hours pay. My girl friend lost her 40 hour / week job because she could not make it at 28 hours per week. But I guess the employer could not find reliable workers at 28 houra per week, so they rehired her at 40 hours. This law is causing extreme havoc for both employers and workers. It will make it a lot harder for many to find work.
What? But they promised!
IRS: No agents will enforce Obamacare mandate
IRS: We Wont Be Tax Enforcers for the Obamacare Penalty
If companies cannot adjust to make a profit, then why stay open? Close and move offshore..
The country is almost full-fledged communist. There is no such thing as owning a business. You just have the investment, the expenses, the work, the responsibilities, the headaches, and maybe a little profit. Maybe. One level of government or other is always up your a$$ telling you what to do, who to hire and how big your bathrooms have to be.
If I owned several franchises I’d incorporate them seperately and be done with it.
They are already doing this in France. Penalizing companies for shutting down.
Affordable Care Act?????
Affordable? Does that seem strange to you?
Up is down, hot is cold, stink is pleasant, left is right, and raw rhubarb is delicious???
No matter what the government labels a communistic bill, the name is the opposite of the actual effect.
Furthermore, nothing the government says (and it’s supporters...the MSN) can be believed. Whatever they say, believe just the opposite and you won’t be fooled.
Who ever thought we would reach this point in our culture?
Hey....I just report the facts...that’s what it’s called.
The most troubling and difficult task for a prospective bill author or political party is to invent the name of law that is completely the opposite of what the proposed law would do....
These last four years of suffering the humiliation of being a citizen in the now-country of Obama have left me feeling like the actors on some of those old Sci-Fi episodes of the “Twightlight Zone”....I actually have trouble sleeping at night because of the disbelief of what my country has become.
It is neither affordable nor is it health care.
To anybody just being born now: this really was a great country, once. About 60 years ago. Was. It isn’t any more.
The IRS - government - threatens........ Anybody still doubt about the tyranny in America?
I looked and there isnt any such regulation.
You have to respect insane consitency, in an insane kind of way.
Extortion-Care is the Government Work-Camp:
These bastards really break our stones. What if the business isn’t making a profit? Sometimes you are just barely making it, but you don’t close the business because you know it will get better. You continue to pay your employees because it’s the right thing to do, but you don’t take a salary because you’re an honest person.
The fools who gave us this a$$hole law have no bloody idea of what it means to have a business. In the liberal “minds”, business owners are evil capitalists who exploit their workers and earn obscene profits on the backs and sweat of their employees.
The end goal is to have all the means of production in the hands of the government. See communist manifesto.
In the minds of a leftist, any profit margin greater than 1% is greedy unless it’s a solar company or some other ‘green’ company getting taxpayer money.
If the ‘green’ company isn’t completley bankrupt within a year, it’s a “stimulus success story” and/or a “great American company”.
After a while they define 20 hours as full time.
Here’s an idea, you liberal a$$hole$. Use your own money (not ours) to open a business. Get the required approvals and registrations. Pay the fees. Pay rent. Buy supplies and equipment. Pay employees. All from your own money or your investors’. Work your a$$ off for 2 years to make it profitable. Pay the sales taxes on all sales. Pay worker’s comp, unemployment, payroll tax, insurance and electricity. If there’s any profit left, pay 30% of it to the government.
If you don’t know what I’m talking about, you should. You created this anti-business climate. So shut your liberal pie-hole.
And then ObamaGub'ment would change the rules and you'd still do as they wish or face stiff penalties and eventually imprisonment.
The SCOTUS Ruled the Gub'ment can make you pay anything they wish as long as they make it a tax.
You can't win that battle.
Wonder what would happen if all those large employers sent everyone home for a couple of weeks while they reconsider whether they wish to continue to keep their businesses open. I’ll bet the government hot shots would wet their panties. Business owners need to rebel big time. The government can’t force them to keep their doors open.
Who needs the Gestapo when you have the IRS ...
If Roberts had any integrity or loyalty to the Constitution, he would have outed his black mailers.
We need a “living minimum wage” in the USA.
It is only “fair”.
$100/hour is a reasonable first step with 15% “cost of living” increases annually.
Business should not be so greedy.
They have lots of money.
(It’s for the children/s)
“It will make it a lot harder for many to find work.”
No, it will make it easier to find work but harder to find good work. A mentor of mine was working in Portugal (for one of the big accounting firms) decades ago, and Portugal had basically decided to lower unemployment by having people work half days. They doubled the workforce and halved the pay. Expect the same consequence here; it will be trumpeted that Obama lowered the unemployment rate to 1%, and Americans will have average annual salaries of $12,000 (and a lot of free time on their hands).
“Ill bet the government hot shots would wet their panties. Business owners need to rebel big time. The government cant force them to keep their doors open.”
I think you’ve missed the point of the re-distribution scheme; business owners, suffering from four years of Obamanomics, rebeled and failed in the 2012 election. The government has been closing them down by stifling growth; every business that has closed up will be re-opened with a “women/minority business loan” (subsidized by the businesses that have survived). There will be no transfer of wealth from the prior generation to their heirs by the time this is done; they have “leveled the playing field” with their re-distribution and estate taxes and such. If all goes according to plan, uneducated whites will replace affirmative action blacks in the underclass within one generation.
This economy is not an unforeseen consequence; IT WAS THE ULTIMATE GOAL FROM DAY ONE.
I know that it does. Many of us are week to week not knowing when or if the axe comes.
I merely suggest that some agency...private, of course, can match willing workers with willing employers. The workers are covered under the law yet are able to work enough hours to live.
Its not ideal, by any means. JUst a thought.
South Carolina is getting around all the IRS BS by passing legislation to throw these gestapo pigs into prison for five years if they try to enforce any aspect of obumacare.
Oh, I forgot. These IRS Rambo accountants have bought 2 billion rounds of ammo and will shoot cop-killer bullets out their arses to get us all. At least that’s what I’m hearing from a small group of FR surrender monkeys.
Back in the 1920s there was an intellectual movement called "General Semantics." Their goal was to understand and clarify the thinking processes of people. The movement died out around the 1950s. It was still active when I was in college, but I've heard nothing of it since. Among their slogans were "The name is not the object," and "The map is not the territory." If the General Semanticists were still around, they might now say "The title of the law is not its real intent."
The late Senator Sam Hayakawa (R, CA) was also an author and expert on General Semantics; his LANGUAGE IN THOUGHT AND ACTION is a classic in the field.
Employers have been doing this for 15 years now...
The author of seems to think this is something new.
The author needs to reboot himself.
“I actually have trouble sleeping at night because of the disbelief of what my country has become.”
I further lay awake thinking of how helpless we will be to protect our assets when the economy collapses.
split companies into separate legal entities to shrink the size of the company to the requisite penalty-avoiding 49 employees, or use temporary agencies.
Eventually, it will encompass EVERY employee of EVERY business.