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RE :”You are completely correct, but many people just don’t want to hear it. They think if we fire Boehner things would suddenly be better. They don’t understand that if we as a conservative movement can’t move public opinion, no matter who we have in elected leadership will cave to public opinion turning against them. They’ll feel they have to or they’ll infuriate the public and lose their seats”

Worse yet, they actually post like they think a few symbolic votes against weak Bohner, for Donald Duck, actually means something.

No one will take that job as the goat.

Sure, Lou Gohmert of TX is in a 100% R district where a Dem cant win (it was created that way), so Lou can oppose everything the House passes that makes it into law and be loved by his district, but Lou sure doesn't want to be Speaker because then he has to worry about losing the other Seats.

I always post to look at Pelosi as a model of a Speaker who had one goal in mind : beating Rs to get results.

Pelosi let libs have their silly symbolic play votes, but when it was time to get her D House to fund the surge and then to extend all the tax cuts for 2 years(or even pass the Senate O-care Bill) , she got her team to fall in line even thought they ran against those things.

Her goal was winning and she was darn good at it.

A lot of folks just don't want to hear reason. They think threatening the GOP over and over on web forums is going to make a difference. It's the same people on thread after thread screaming about how they left the GOP, yet they continue threatening it. I guess it makes them feel good, but it accomplishes nothing. If you've left the GOP, fine, but stop shaking your fist at it.

No one will take that job as the goat.

There was not a single person running against Boehner. None. For him, the worst that could have happened is he won on a 2nd ballot.

Her goal was winning and she was darn good at it.

Politics is like a religion for the left. Democrats may get frustrated about their progress or lack thereof, but they keep their eyes on the ball and always push for whatever they can get - and they are always ready to take advantage of a tragedy to get their agenda passed. They are flexibly pragmatic when necessary, and are fine electing a fake conservative like Manchin in WVA. They know that state is turning red, and they are happy to deny us a seat. They did the same in Indiana by running a supposed pro-life Dem against Mourdoch, and they won. By and large the left seems much more politically saavy than the right - probably because government is a really big part of what they think about.

Boehner is not an impressive speaker in my view. Honestly, the weeping thing he's got going on kind of makes me queasy. I do wish we had someone better to lead us, but I'm under no illusions that it would make much difference. The power of the Presidency is huge, and Obama is well liked by the American public - there is no way a Speaker can compete with that. We need to win on ideas, and right now the left seems to be in ascendency. The hard work ahead is largely going to be challenging the left in academia, the media and the entertainment culture - that is where we are really losing, and that's what allows Obama and the Democrats to beat us on so many issues.