Posted on 01/16/2013 4:27:17 AM PST by servo1969
Conservative talkers Mark “the Hysteric” Levin and “fat ass” Michael Savage reignited their longtime feud this week, even though the two share distributors and no longer air during the same time slot.
On Monday, Levin made an appearance on the Fox News Channel and called President Barack Obama “the imperial president,” leading Savage to label Levin “the Hysteric” on his show later that evening.
Savage said Levin lazily and uncritically stole the phrase “imperial president” from liberals of the 1970s.
“The ‘imperial presidency’ was a line used by liberals to describe Nixon,” Savage bellowed. “And yet, the ‘Hysteric’ applies it to Obama, as though he invented it. The correct phrase, ladies and gentlemen of the Savage Nation, to describe Obama is ‘government anarchy.’”
Early in his Tuesday show, Levin responded by alleging Savage possesses a”fat ass” and threatening to devote an hour of his show to railing on the “moron,” whose real name is Michael Weiner.
“You nitwit,” Levin said. “['The Imperial Presidency' is] a book by Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., which many of us read while you were running around with Allen Ginsberg in Fiji and skinnydipping, or whatever the hell you used to do. Some of us normal people, you know, were reading and writing and doing arithmetic and behaving ourselves. Maybe I’ll do a whole hour on that, moron. Maybe I’ll do a special — a documentary. What do you think of that, Mr. Producer? Little ‘Weiner Nation’: The Manchurian Conservative.”
“It’ll be monotonous,” Levin continued. “The ratings will plummet. But we can do it for an hour. There’s a reason why he follows my show — because I kicked his ass all over the country. Oh, he’ll lie and pretend he didn’t, but I kicked his ass all over the country — and that’s one big fat ass, by the way. Got that, Weiner? I’d love to meet this guy one day just to say hello, all 5 feet 2 inches of him, with that snaggle-tooth — little ‘Weiner Nation.’ But with that I digress, and I mean I really digress.”
In 2011, the rivalry between the two radio hosts took one of its uglier turns, when Savage offered former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich $1 million to resign from the 2012 presidential race, and Levin countered by offering Savage $100,000 to drop his radio show.
After a brief hiatus from the airwaves last fall, Savage left Talk Radio Network and was picked up by Cumulus, the same company that distributes Levin’s show, and took on the time slot following Levin’s, from 9 p.m. to 12 a.m. EST.
Ping the TGO List.
Savage even donated $5000 to ultra liberal governor of California moon beam Jerry Brown.
Savage unfairly bashed Sarah Palin many times
Millions of other things Savage has done and said that shows it is no conservative only putting on an act to make millions and also to ADVANCE socialism
savage was a BERKELY graduate, from san francisco, a long time communist .
And this is what is wrong with the “conservative media”.
We have this little club of personalities that care more about protecting their “turf” than beating the left. They make millions off of us and then attack each other for using some praise they “invented”, that is if they even acknowledge each others existence.
They still act like a bunch of drive-time DJs.
Life’s too short to listen to Savage.
Savage is a nutcase. Levin is a brilliant legal mind who understands the nuances of the constitution.
And he's relentlessly attacked Hannity and Rush, who to their credit, have always ignored him and never once mentioned his name. I think that's what really got Savage pissed off at them.........
Well it looks like Savage is simply is JEALOUS about the sucess of Levin.
Don’t know their past feud.
But this round
Savage 0
Levin 1
Bingo!! I’m getting sick of these guys bashing each other, and now we are doing it on FR with the blame game. Rugged individualism is a strength of conservatives, but is a weakness when it comes to fighting the left.
Admittedly have never listened to savage,but sounds like
he’s also jealous of Mark’s amazing brain.
Mark Levin is one of my heroes. I almost feel guilty
getting so much education for free.
Carry on Mark, and take care of that heart!!
That is precisely why I stopped listening to Weiner. He referred to Rush as being the “golfer” and I forget what he called Hannity.
Also got tired of him talking about some chinese place where he ate and got indigestion.
bobo
I've tried to listen to Savage but he just wanders off too much.
Levin is a coward and a fraud. He would have you believe that every 'anchor baby' is a natural born Citizen.
The Biggest Cover-up in American History
Supreme Court cases that cite “natural born Citizen” as one born on U.S. soil to citizen parents:
The Venus, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)
Vattel, who, though not very full to this point, is more explicit and more satisfactory on it than any other whose work has fallen into my hands, says: “The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.
Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 3 Pet. 242 242 (1830)
Ann Scott was born in South Carolina before the American revolution, and her father adhered to the American cause and remained and was at his death a citizen of South Carolina. There is no dispute that his daughter Ann, at the time of the Revolution and afterwards, remained in South Carolina until December, 1782. Whether she was of age during this time does not appear. If she was, then her birth and residence might be deemed to constitute her by election a citizen of South Carolina. If she was not of age, then she might well be deemed under the circumstances of this case to hold the citizenship of her father, for children born in a country, continuing while under age in the family of the father, partake of his national character as a citizen of that country. Her citizenship, then, being prima facie established, and indeed this is admitted in the pleadings, has it ever been lost, or was it lost before the death of her father, so that the estate in question was, upon the descent cast, incapable of vesting in her? Upon the facts stated, it appears to us that it was not lost and that she was capable of taking it at the time of the descent cast.
Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857)
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As society cannot perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their parents, and succeed to all their rights.' Again: 'I say, to be of the country, it is necessary to be born of a person who is a citizen; for if he be born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country. . . .
Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)
The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.
United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)
At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.
Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939),
Was a decision by the Supreme Court of the United States that a child born in the United States to naturalized parents on U.S. soil is a natural born citizen and that the child's natural born citizenship is not lost if the child is taken to and raised in the country of the parents' origin, provided that upon attaining the age of majority, the child elects to retain U.S. citizenship "and to return to the United States to assume its duties." Not only did the court rule that she did not lose her native born Citizenship but it upheld the lower courts decision that she is a "natural born Citizen of the United States" because she was born in the USA to two naturalized U.S. Citizens.
But the Secretary of State, according to the allegation of the bill of complaint, had refused to issue a passport to Miss Elg 'solely on the ground that she had lost her native born American citizenship.' The court below, properly recognizing the existence of an actual controversy with the defendants [307 U.S. 325, 350] (Aetna Life Ins. Co. v. Haworth, 300 U.S. 227 , 57 S.Ct. 461, 108 A.L.R. 1000), declared Miss Elg 'to be a natural born citizen of the United States' (99 F.2d 414) and we think that the decree should include the Secretary of State as well as the other defendants. The decree in that sense would in no way interfere with the exercise of the Secretary's discretion with respect to the issue of a passport but would simply preclude the denial of a passport on the sole ground that Miss Elg had lost her American citizenship."
The Supreme Court of the United States has never applied the term “natural born citizen” to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”.
He's not even trying.
And that is the difference between them. Savage is a Ph.D in some medicinal arts but not an M.D. Levin is a J.D lawyer. There are miles of difference in their educational backgrounds and light years of difference in the life experiences. I prefer to listen to Levin on legal matters and enjoy Savage on matters of general philosophy.
“Levin is right: Savage is a fake liberal/communist.”
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I would not go that far.
Savage has been the best at pointing out how Obama is a Marxist/Leninist.
I admit, however, that I am tiring of Savages bloviations and his criticism of other conservative talkers, as well as his self promotion
I think the man has passed his prime.
He seems to have reached “The Peter Principle” .
Dynachrome runs a daily Savage thread here on FR during the broadcast time.
Savage accused fundamentalist Christians of wearing a mental burqua. Not only that, he went on and on and on droning for half an hour.
Got to give him credit on bring up stories no one else will touch.
I almost always miss him, but I love Mark Levin. I guess I’m lucky to have never heard this Savage character (lol there’s a joke in there somewhere if Mark is alluding to Savage being gay). Mark Levin is like Newt for me. I could listen to both of them for *hours*.
Savage’s jealousy of other talk show conservatives gets tiring. He can do plenty to point out the corruption of Bam and Co. without bashing conservatives.
I should have added that Savage seems to be engaged in self immolation.
I think he is burned out out with radio and his program.
I stopped listening to Savage when he gave Jerry “Governor Moonbeam” Brown the maximum-allowable political contribution in 2006. I have been informed that Savage has since broken with Brown, but why would any self-descried conservative ever support him in the first place?
This back-and-forth has been going on since Levin joined the national broadcast stage.
I am wondering whether Cumulus is pushing them to do this to improve ratings.
It is, by both talkers, petty and diminutive. There are more important issue that both could be discussing.
The Venus cite comes from the opinion of Marshall, who concurs in part with the majority. While it’s interesting that Vattel is cited by the court, as a source, despite being a foreigner, the court does not consider the phrase “natural born citizen” in this ruling. Absolutely damning to your case is that Vattel’s “naturels,” the word which so many who cite him lately translate as “natural-born citizens” is, instead, translated as “native.”
The Minor demonstrates the lack of Supreme Court precedent; it cites the controversy as to what “Natural-born” means, but does not resolve it.
The Dred Scott case, of course, is the most infamous case in SCOTUS history; It doesn’t make your case, but a far more horrible case: that only children of citizens may become citizens at all! Therefore, even their children would not be citizens, no matter how generations passed. This was no mere slip: it was used to argue that slaves were not citizens. But it would also mean that anyone descended from immigrants would not be citizens, contrary to Vattel, natural law, and just about any standard of decency.
Shanks does not address the issue.
Perkins and Ark assert that those born on American soil of American citizens are natural-born citizens, but do not say that those born on American soil of those who are not American citizens are not natural-born citizens.
Left alone, however, the ambiguity of Perkins and Ark might leave someone to guess that one had to have citizen parents to be NBC, and therefore one might defer to Vattel’s logic. But Ark cited Lynch v Clark as its source, which referred to the children born on US soil who were NOT US Citizens.
I’ll grant that there is an uncomfortable ambiguity in NBC, but to call Levin an idiot because you disagree with him is just, well, idiotic.
There is something going on the last few days. Right-wing radio bashing coming from our own side.
We dont have to agree 100% with each other on every issue, and we dont need to stir up cat fights among ourselves.
Yesterday there were a bunch bashing Glenn Beck. Like him or don’t, but he is doing good work.
Can’t believe Savage got Bachelor’s slot on ABC radio. What a waste.
Savage/Wiener (Wiener/Savage?) can be entertaining and informative and has contributed to the national narrative, but at this point, he's a low average hitter, a parachute flare slowly fading and falling.
You might tune in to an interesting show, but more likely you'll be listening to self centered personality disorder talking about making meatballs.
... and to be clear, Lynch v Clark was not a SCOTUS ruling, but it said that children born on US soil to legal non-citizen immigrants were natural-born citizens. SCOTUS cited this case in Ark as precedent.
... and to be clear, Lynch v Clark was not a SCOTUS ruling, but it said that children born on US soil to legal non-citizen immigrants were natural-born citizens. SCOTUS cited this case in Ark as precedent.
To be fair, Savage/Wiener does a lot of shooting at those he considers to be his competition in radio land and is then incredulous when they don't come to his defense, like with his being banned from GB.
He is his own worst enemy.
I heard him refer to Hannity as “the wallbanger”, whatever that means. Isn’t that a drink? Harvey Wallbanger? Does SH drink too much? LOL.
Good morning, Michael.
Levin’s description, Manchurian Conservative is perfect.
Yea, a harvey wallbanger was a drink. As far as I know, Sean doesn’t drink.
I think Weiner was just trying to put others down to build himself up.
That was my major gripe against him.
bobo
He’s also referred to Hannity as “the leprechaun”.
Wallbanger is a reference to Hannity’s working in construction before his radio career.
Savage is pretty close to being the liberal characature of a Conservative Talk Show host.
I forget what he called Hannity.
He calls him “The Wallbanger”
As if having a Blue collar job (Hannity used to install Sheetrock way back when) was such a horrible thing for the elite Weiner Nation.
Yea, I remember that now. Been so long since I listened to Savage.
thanks, bobo
Ahhhhhhhhhhh, got it. Thx.
He’s also referred to Hannity as “the leprechaun”.
No that is the Nickname he created for Bill O’reily.
A few years ago, I was listening when Savage interviewed Jerry Falwell. Savage absolutely flayed Falwell over his statement that Jesus Christ is the only way to God.
That's debatable....and who does "his" work originate from?
I remember seeing your posts on that thread, so I suppose I was one of the "bashers" who found interesting Breitbart's 20 minute radio interview, in which he detailed Beck's ethical issues. Just to set the record straight....
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2978425/posts?page=1
I’ve heard that homo communist savage talk against big oil, against capitalism but never for freedom or limiting government. yet it still fools its listeners.
It even talked about gun control when the viginia tech shooting happened. that’s the last time i listened to that creep couldn’t take any more of its act and fake bs that advances socialism
He's not even trying”
Yeah that's ONE example out of thousands that prove this savage is putting on an act. it is no conservative but a socialist/statist. only a statist/communist would be for Obama issuing executive orders. and i’ve had MANY freepers and other idiots tell me off for suggestion their savage is a liberal. Savage fools them , is using his listeners to earn millions by faking an act .
See it knows ( who doesn't ) that conservatives and Americans are for the 2nd amendment . so it is not stupid . BUT it slipped up because it doesn't really believe in limited government nor in freeedom nor in individual rights as it is a liberal/communist .so that is why savage is for his beloved dictator Obama issuing executive orders to ban our freedom and rights to play video games .And like the news media they all want to empower government and use a statistically nonexistent even like these mass shootings ( what less than 100 get killed in mass shootings per year) but 2.5 million criminals invade homes per year , 300,000 women get raped each year in the U.S. etc. , 50 incidents per year where lighting kills Americans so lighting kills more real than mass shootings which only a handful a year. and there were no mass shootings in the 1800’s etc. so the media is what causes these flukes and the news media which makes it seem like the event and threat of the century.
GraceG,
When I heard him use it, I thought he was referring to Hannity, but what you say makes more sense. Sorry for the mix-up.
I think he called Hannity “the leprechaun?”
Savage is ugly angry, Levin is very angry, and Rush isn’t very funny any more. At least his demeanor is still good. I used to listen to so much talk radio. Almost never anymore.
Repeat, repeat, repeat, it gets so old. Perhaps there are those who need the same insights and applications repeated continually. I am not one of them.
rush was a trip in the early days. All the parody songs. The ones using Beatle music were hysterical. I really liked “In a Yugo” a parody of an old Mac Davis song “in the ghetto”
He would do better by putting more humor in it than he did. I can only hear him on occasion now.
Blessings, bobo
Publicity stunt!
It’s all about ratings.
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