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Jewish religious movements present plans to end gun violence
jta.org ^ | January 16, 2013

Posted on 01/16/2013 4:15:56 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe

WASHINGTON (JTA) – Jewish leaders representing the Reform, Conservative, Orthodox and Reconstructionist movements are all answering the nation’s call for ideas to end gun violence.

Together, they have held news conferences, written to Vice President Joe Biden’s gun control task force and sent letters to Congress.

On Jan. 15, which would have been Martin Luther King Jr.’s 84th birthday, members of an interfaith alliance known as Faiths United to Prevent Gun Violence held a news conference to urge Americans to work together to help curb gun violence.

They called for a ban on assault weapons and high capacity ammunition magazines as well as improved background screening of gun buyers. They also spoke of a need to improve the way people with mental illnesses are helped.

These ideas were included in their two-page letter to Congress, which urged its members to lead the way toward a safer society that not only protects children in schools against a mass shooter, but also stops individual inner-city gun murders as well.

The letter was signed by 47 religious leaders from numerous faiths including the Jewish Council for Public Affairs, the Jewish Reconstructionist Movement, the Rabbinical Assembly, Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism, United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism and Women of Reform Judaism.

Rachel Laser, deputy director of the Religious Action Center, said at Tuesday's news conference that there has been “Enough pain. Enough despair. Enough injustice. Let us learn from our grief and the errors of the past and resolve in this very moment to do better.”

Laser announced that religious leaders throughout the country will mobilize their congregants to join in an Interfaith Call to Prevent Gun Violence on Feb. 4. On that day, Americans will call their Congress member and ask that they be “held accountable for the safety of our communities.”

On Jan. 14, a similar letter was sent to both the president and vice president. It, too, makes an urgent plea to address effectively the subject of gun violence. The letter was spearheaded by the Rabbinical Assembly’s Rabbi Julie Schonfeld and organized by Susan Stern of the Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships, and Rabbi David Saperstein of the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism.

“As religious and non-profit leaders, we commit to building consensus and support in our communities for steps that will turn our collective grief into shared hope. We acknowledge that the privilege of American freedom also carries a moral responsibility,” the letter read in part.

Another letter sent to Biden’s task force came from Agudath Israel of America, a national Orthodox organization in New York.

"Violent incidents that have occurred in school settings during the past numberof years have demonstrated that the need for securiy hardware – cameras, metal detectors, barricades, etc. – is particularly compelling. Unforutnately, despite the need for increased school safely – whether in the realm of disaster preparedness or crisis management – budgets put forward by the Bush and Obama administrations – and passed by various Congresses – have significantly and steadily slashed funding for these purposes – the the point where meaningful federal school safety assistance is virtually non-existent," Agudath's Rabbi Abba Cohen wrote.

Cohen also pointed out the unique threat that Jewish schools face, from outside the school and ouside the community in the form of terrorismand extremism.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment
http://faithsagainstgunviolence.org/
1 posted on 01/16/2013 4:16:06 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

It worked out well for them last time. /s


3 posted on 01/16/2013 4:28:16 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The same Jewish self-haters who voted in Obama are now American self-haters who want to take away American liberties.

I am not an anti-semite. Anything but, but these religious people should mind their religion and Shut up about taking away America’s rights.In the long run they would come out ahead.


4 posted on 01/16/2013 4:29:19 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“Cohen also pointed out the unique threat that Jewish schools face, from outside the school and ouside the community in the form of terrorism and extremism.”

So the idiot understands the threat, yet he wants to respond with cameras and barriers?

He needs to take a trip to Israel and note that the barriers and cameras are paired with weapons in proficient hands.

A camera without a gun only gives you more time to contemplate your impending doom.


5 posted on 01/16/2013 4:38:56 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: Tailgunner Joe
From "never again" to helping socialists build new ovens. Hard to like.

Very hard.

6 posted on 01/16/2013 4:47:47 AM PST by niteowl77 (Oh, crap.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

God help these Jews that have such ‘leaders’.


7 posted on 01/16/2013 4:51:08 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: niteowl77

Kapo mentality.


8 posted on 01/16/2013 5:07:31 AM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“The letter was signed by 47 religious leaders from numerous faiths including the Jewish Council for Public Affairs, the Jewish Reconstructionist Movement, the Rabbinical Assembly, Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism, United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism and Women of Reform Judaism.”

So six of the 47 letter signers were Jewish. Never heard of them nor have no idea of how many members they represent or whether these “members” voted on anything. Just another dog and pony show. Recall the press conference pre passage of Obamacare where a few dozen doctors in white coats provided another dog and pony show at one of Obama’s press conferences? All pre arranged propaganda brought to you by the ministry of truth and their criminal front groups.


9 posted on 01/16/2013 5:21:32 AM PST by HockeyPop
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To: RFEngineer

Jewish Council for Public Affairs, the Jewish Reconstructionist Movement, the Rabbinical Assembly, Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism, United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism and Women of Reform

ALL of these are so far left they walk sideways.
As for Agudah, they said nothing about gun control, but they don’t sit high on my respect list either. At any rate, it looks as though they threw the Orthodox in there to make it seem as if they were in agreement with their not so well loved jinos. The truth is Agudah forbids their members to join with any of them in any forum or coalition for any reason whatsoever.

“commonly known as Haredim or “ultra-Orthodox” Jews representing Torah Judaism in North America. Not all Hasidic Jewish groups are affiliated with Agudath Israel. For example, the Hasidic group Satmar dislikes Agudah’s relatively moderate stance towards the State of Israel.”

The ultra orthodox are just as bad in their way as the ultra left is in its way. Patriarchal and extremely restrictive.


10 posted on 01/16/2013 5:21:32 AM PST by MestaMachine (Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

What idiots! Some people just never get it. How meekly they were destroyed by a tyrant.


11 posted on 01/16/2013 5:32:11 AM PST by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

No one? You need to get out more.


12 posted on 01/16/2013 5:54:58 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: RFEngineer

Well no, not only that. It also gives archeologists documentary evidence of your stupidity.


13 posted on 01/16/2013 5:58:04 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; Mrs. B.S. Roberts

When the end comes to their doors, the cry will go out, “O Lord, how could you let this happen once again?”
A heavenly voice will reply, “But this is just what you voted for-—TWICE!!”
Meanwhile, “some of us” have revived an old saying, “Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.”


14 posted on 01/16/2013 6:01:58 AM PST by CaptainAmiigaf (NY TIMES: "We print the news as it fits our views")
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To: MestaMachine

There are no orthodox groups mentioned, though the JTA misleadingly claims so.

http://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2013/01/after-newtown-agudath-israel-responds-to-vice-president-biden%E2%80%99s-call-for-ideas.html

....“All schools face internal threats from the school or from the local community,” states Rabbi Cohen, “but certain schools face threats from the outside as well — from racists and other extremists bent on death and destruction.” To these schools the potential for violence is a constant reality and they must always be on high alert.

Agudath Israel’s message to the Vice President is that the source of the threat is irrelevant — it makes no difference whether the threat is internal or external, whether it is the random act of the mentally disturbed or the deliberate act of a religious or political fanatic. All children must be protected from all threats...


15 posted on 01/16/2013 6:12:30 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Useful idiots?

WWII wasn’t even that long ago on the history timeline.


16 posted on 01/16/2013 6:14:18 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Whoaa! Not so fast! Note that the Orthodox spokesman, however, recommends increased surveillance (cameras) and other security measures; but he did not jump on the frenzied gun-control bandwagon.

Nonetheless, I am constantly amazed by the attitudes of the majority of Jews in this country. The original Jewish tradition and religion is wonderful: it is the root of Christianity, and has given Islam its best features.

The scholarly tradition of Judaism is unsurpassed in its accomplishments. The conservative movement in America is strongly influenced by Jews among its best thinkers: Milton Friedman, Frank Meyer, and many others — and the whole Austrian School of economics (Menger, Hayek, von Mises). And Mark Levin and Dennis Prager!

And yet Jews (who are the one ethnic group strongly overrepresented in the U. S. Senate) have only representation as Democrats in the Senate. In the House, only about one of the Jewish representatives is a Republican, and he was not from a strongly Jewish district. 78% of the Jewish vote went to 0bama in the last election, in spite of the administration’s obviously hostile attitude toward Israel. What were they thinking? Only African-Americans have a stronger tendency to vote as an unreasoning ethnic block.

Many Jews are descendants of immigrants who came to America to escape political persecution. They profess to love America, and yet have contributed a majority of the members of the CPUSA, and have staffed and funded most of the radical organizations in the country. They have supported disproportionately almost every movement which tends to undermine American culture and values, most notably Alinskyism, the ACLU, modern-day feminism, and abortion and the culture of death.

Italians brought us pizza; Germans brought us good beer; and the Jews (especially those from Russia) brought us socialism.

Dennis Prager has said that no group has as many self-haters as the Jews. As he also puts it, no other ethnic group has so many members who hate everything for which their own tradition stands. Why? Are Jews simply a suicidal group? They seem to act that way, and it’s very sad.


17 posted on 01/16/2013 6:19:17 AM PST by docbnj
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To: jjotto

But, but, it’s no wonder no one likes us. Isn’t it?


18 posted on 01/16/2013 6:22:29 AM PST by MestaMachine (Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

All other violence is fine.

If you read accounts from the ghettos, many Jewish leaders were opposed to using guns against the Nazis for fear of reprisals. That was before they were all sent to the camps and killed.


19 posted on 01/16/2013 6:25:20 AM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: docbnj

That Agudath orthodox spokesman did not speak at all in connection with the leftist groups mentioned, nor did he call for any kind of gun bans. Falsehood by the JTA.

BTW, there would probably be no effective post-WWII American conservatism without Jewish intellectuals that gathered around Catholic William F. Buckley in the ‘50s.


20 posted on 01/16/2013 6:34:14 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Tailgunner Joe; Nachum

I am Jewish, and these people do not speak for me AT ALL! They presume to speak for all Jews, but in actuality don’t. Yes, those Jews in cities tend to be crazy liberal (I am, regrettably, related to a few and know a few more), but there are a lot of us that have taken the lessons of our history (both Jewish and American) to heart and are well armed. I, for example, pity the person or people that tries to assault my synogogue - because our congregation is very well armed.

The problem with so many of these so-called “religious leaders” is one of advertising - they may be Jews by birth (or some half-baked conversion), but they are in reality worshippers of Liberalism rather than the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Again, they don’t speak for me, nor for many, many Jews. In other words, they are JINOs.

Three holidays during the year deal with armed Jews defending themselves. In chronological order of the events:

1) Passover - “...and the children of Israel went up armed out of the land of Egypt.” Exodus 13:18.

2) Purim - the edict of the Persian Emporer, signed at the behest of Haman, could not be rescinded. However, the Emporer allowed the Jews of his empire to resist any who would kill them with arms - and something like 75,000 Persians who tried to kill the Jews were themselves killed by the now-armed Jews.

3) Channukah - this holiday celebrates the recapture of the Holy Temple from the Greeks who had defiled it, and its rededication. This recapture was by force of arms - it was a resistance movement to recover their nation so as to be free to worship God. By necessity, these heroic freedom-fighters (the Maccabbees) were, of course, armed.

These modern worshippers of a false god display no knowledge of Jewish history, nor of Jewish law. The 6th Commandment says “thou shalt not murder” (NOT, as so many ill-informed people think, “thou shalt not kill”). It speaks to unjustified killings - and clearly leaves room for justified killings, such as personal defense and war. Exodus 22 discusses the lack of bloodguilt for killing a thief trying to enter one’s home, and the Talmud (a series of books developed over the course of hundreds of years to fully explain the 5 Books of Moses) discussion of this Exodus passage introduces the classic Jewish principle of self-defense, “Im ba l’hargekha, hashkem l’hargo,” “If someone comes to kill you, rise up and kill him (first).” If there is homicidal intent, self-defense is more than permitted; it is required. This is a common principle of all legal systems, America’s included.

Again, don’t believe that these Leftist Jews speak for either all Jews or for the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - they are busy worshipping another god, Liberalism.


21 posted on 01/16/2013 6:41:07 AM PST by Ancesthntr (Banning guns to prevent crime is like banning cars to prevent drunk driving.)
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To: Graybeard58

Note the text of Ancesthntr’s casual quote of Exodus 13:18 in #21.


22 posted on 01/16/2013 6:49:49 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: BykrBayb
No one? You need to get out more.

Don't know the context of this. Confused. Please elaborate.

23 posted on 01/16/2013 7:23:19 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: driftdiver

let’s not make it about their religion. Religious leaders should promote peace, that’s their role. The rest of us can say “Talk softly and peacefully, but carry a big gun”


24 posted on 01/16/2013 7:33:42 AM PST by Cronos (Middle English prest, priest, Old English pruost, Late Latin presbyter, Latin presbuteros)
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To: BykrBayb

What????? I do NOT remember making any such post. Seriously. Please private message me with what was written. I had this site up at work and someone may have slipped in and posted something without my knowing it. Would NEVER post something like that.


26 posted on 01/16/2013 7:55:40 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: docbnj

The Tribe has a special hatred for the Goy, thus they take pleasure indisarming the Goy and arming the Blacks and Hispanics. IMO, there are few reliable Conservative Jews, very few and I do not include Levin or Savage in that small group.


27 posted on 01/16/2013 8:18:53 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Cronos

I didn’t make it about religion. They made it about their religion by banding together and using that power to attack gun rights.


28 posted on 01/16/2013 10:00:19 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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