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Oakland leaders have lost grip on violence (Tough gun laws = armed criminals)
CBS San Francisco (SFGate) ^ | 15 January 2013 | Chip Johnson

Posted on 01/15/2013 1:29:53 PM PST by ScottinVA

Just before Oakland city officials held a news conference Monday in East Oakland to assure everyone that they've got a handle on crime, I took a little walk around the neighborhood to ask local residents if they felt safe.

Vincent Peters, 32, who was waiting for a bus with his wife and their 2-month old daughter, definitely does not. He said he's preparing to move his family from the area because he values their safety.

"You can hardly walk down the street without someone pushing a gun at you," Peters said. "These kids are scared, and that's why they're carrying guns and knives too.

"I'm not fixing to raise my daughter here," he said. "I guess I'm moving to the suburbs. Good schools, less crime."

As I walked, I found it next to impossible not to run into a local resident who hadn't been touched directly or indirectly by gun violence in this part of the city.

Across the street from the spot where the news conference was to take place on the windswept 6400 block of International Boulevard, Alexander Brown, a 22-year-old student, talked about his run-ins with violence. He has been robbed and beaten, and had a gun stuck in his face two years ago.

He relies on his deep religious faith to see him through. "I put my faith in my creator," said the young man.

Literally 5 feet down the block, brothers Boogie and Antwan Johnson, who were walking home, also had a story of violence to tell.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; crime; guncontrol; gungrab; guns; secondamendment
And, oh-by-the-way, Oakland heavily restricts gun ownership for law-abiding citizens.
1 posted on 01/15/2013 1:30:08 PM PST by ScottinVA
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To: ScottinVA

This is how the urban black culture creates a blight wherever it takes root.

And that is the culture that’s become dominant and celebrated in America.


2 posted on 01/15/2013 1:34:11 PM PST by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: ScottinVA

No offense to any FReepers who might be living in that cesspool of a city, but I hope Oakland burns itself to the ground.


3 posted on 01/15/2013 1:35:14 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: ScottinVA

Oakland and it’s sister city Chicago.


4 posted on 01/15/2013 1:35:39 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: brownsfan

It’s not just the urban “gangster” black culture, but their liberal white handlers.


5 posted on 01/15/2013 1:36:20 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: ScottinVA

Part of the problem comes when “leaders” are perceived to have any kind of control over human nature.

Where I live, authority and leadership are virtually non existent and crime is even rarer. Its because the people here are different than they are in Oakland.


6 posted on 01/15/2013 1:37:20 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Wow. Who would have thought that an urban area with many urban ferals (who happen to be black) would be a dangerous place? I guess, I keep getting surprised.


7 posted on 01/15/2013 1:38:36 PM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: ScottinVA

Oakland has been a violent lawless drug drenched festering hellhole for many many years. This is just the politicians and complicit media piping up on queue. It’s the same scary dangerous graffiti festooned post-apocalyptic blight it’s always been.


8 posted on 01/15/2013 1:41:18 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: cripplecreek

Which is the reason why crime is rarer in the German countryside. The Germans actually have fewer laws than we do, even though their society is much more regimented and the police have much more authority. Of course, this is not as true as it was before unification. In the West. there was something like “ordered liberty.” In the East there was order without liberty, and then afterwards, liberty without order. Like slaves suddenly let out of prison. Call to mind the character of “Red,” played by James Whitmore in “Shawshank...” To be free can be a crushing thing. People become accustomed to their chains, even grow to love them.


9 posted on 01/15/2013 1:45:47 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: RobbyS

Its the moral requirement for society that people as far back as Socrates were talking about. You just don’t need a lot of government or laws for moral people.


10 posted on 01/15/2013 1:48:47 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: ScottinVA

But, but, the MSM told me the strict guns laws stop gun crime.


11 posted on 01/15/2013 1:50:27 PM PST by matt04
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To: hal ogen

Feral Urbans.

New name Ferbans.

Usage:
Will we have an open Ferban season?


12 posted on 01/15/2013 1:50:42 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: cripplecreek

And for a gang of robbers, no number of laws is sufficient. This is why the old term “outlaw” was so much more meaningful than “criminal.”


13 posted on 01/15/2013 1:51:34 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: RobbyS
Call to mind the character of “Red,” played by James Whitmore in “Shawshank...
Brooks Hatlen
14 posted on 01/15/2013 1:51:49 PM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: ScottinVA
This can anywhere, anytime. I was robbed/shot in 1974 in West Palm Bch, FL, walking out of a landmark/high-end restaurant, with my fiancee, just a few blocks from the mansions on the beach. I still carry the .32cal next to my spine, but I now carry a Kimber .45ACP, and won't be a victim, twice.


15 posted on 01/15/2013 1:52:40 PM PST by carriage_hill (AR-15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. Self-Defense is The First Human Right.)
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To: matt04

Straw Purchasers cause crime. Something the Feds know well and the MSM doesn’t.


16 posted on 01/15/2013 1:53:01 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: ScottinVA

No one is going to disarm gangs or anti white racist. That would work against the leftist agenda.


17 posted on 01/15/2013 1:54:08 PM PST by pallis
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To: BipolarBob

You are right. Morgan Freeman was Red. Speaking of Black Actors, In his most recent film, Denzel Washington’s character says something quite moving, that he had to go to jail to be free. Paul likewise was perfectly free because he was a prisoner of the Lord, so to speak.


18 posted on 01/15/2013 1:58:00 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: carriage_hill

Not hollow bullet I assume.


19 posted on 01/15/2013 2:00:12 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: RobbyS

“Get busy livin’ or get busy robbing and shooting people for stuff you were too lazy to work for.” -Morgan Freestuff


20 posted on 01/15/2013 2:03:29 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: ScottinVA
"I'm not fixing to raise my daughter here," he said

Not from Oakland if he says "fixin to"

21 posted on 01/15/2013 2:04:31 PM PST by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: ScottinVA
The unvarnished truth is that gun violence is tearing this city apart, and there simply aren't enough local police officers to stop it.

Oh, I think there is a truth far less varnished than that. No SFGate reporter would ever be allowed to run it in print, however.

22 posted on 01/15/2013 2:07:17 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: RobbyS

We still don’t know if it’s lead or steel, but I can’t ever have an MRI, as it would either super-heat or be ripped right out of me. Looks a little ‘bent’, so I’m thinking it’s lead.

Docs didn’t want to operate back in ‘74, since they didn’t have arthroscopic surgery back then, and it would have been a 5-6” incision. More invasive than the actual bullet itself.

It did miss ‘everything’, and didn’t even bleed; just a huge red grapefruit-sized lump w/ black dot in the center. Didn’t even hurt until about 30-40mins later. Trauma Ctr doc said, “God was truly sitting on your shoulder, tonite”. I was VERY lucky. Once.


23 posted on 01/15/2013 2:09:26 PM PST by carriage_hill (AR-10s/15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. Self-Defense is The First Human Right.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
Sussman was talking about this on my way to work this morning and I almost called him about it.

Have you ever asked "Why doesn't Oakland track down where these guns came from?" Well the answer may surprise you; they have. It takes about an hour through the California Department of Justice. Yes it's that easy. You see most of the handguns used in Oakland were purchased legally. This was brought to their attention a year or two ago and they decided to do nothing about it. They are straw purchases made by girlfriends. The Oakland official who was informed of this declared that they will ignore it because they do not want any "baby momma drama." So they know that no action will be taken and more and more baby mommas buy guns for the baby daddy. The Federal prosecutor and BATFE are cooperating with Oakland on not cracking down on it.

24 posted on 01/15/2013 2:11:48 PM PST by atomic_dog
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To: ScottinVA

The ‘leaders” are just busy stickin’ it to The Man.


25 posted on 01/15/2013 2:15:21 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: ScottinVA

we have to get all the guns off the streets. our children are dying


26 posted on 01/15/2013 2:16:22 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: ScottinVA

There are three gun zones: the urban zones, the suburbs and the vast rural expanse.

Gun laws only reduce the number of guns in the suburbs. Everywhere else will be business as usual.


27 posted on 01/15/2013 2:24:25 PM PST by lurk
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To: carriage_hill

Lucky indeed. You body has walled it off, and I guess has just rerouted everything.


28 posted on 01/15/2013 2:26:42 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: paul51

How? We have a large criminal class, which is to say millions of men who lives outside of the law. We have millions more who have no respect for the law, thinking of it much as a bad kid in a classroom might, as rules to be avoided or changed to fit their desires, which are themselves always changing.


29 posted on 01/15/2013 2:30:49 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: cripplecreek
Where I live, authority and leadership are virtually non existent and crime is even rarer. Its because the people here are different than they are in Oakland.

Like the small town where live. Folks here are armed to the teeth, hunt and fish. But crime is very low here.

30 posted on 01/15/2013 2:39:33 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: atomic_dog
The dark side of the civil rights movement was its violence, and I am talking not just about the Black Panthers but about the “peaceful resistance” crowd. This was a revolutionary movement, and like all such movements, it persuades its participants of the injustice of all resistance to their cause, or any custom that impedes their progressive toward their goal: which is not such much freedom as power. So, really, everything about the dominant white culture had to be devalued, and every institution discredited. This included the family. The destruction of the black family is a consequence of the political freedom achieved by the civil rights movement, for even though it was rooted in the church, it soon latched onto the most anarchic strands in American life, including radical feminism.
31 posted on 01/15/2013 2:42:46 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Inyo-Mono
Like the small town where live. Folks here are armed to the teeth, hunt and fish. But crime is very low here.

Its what liberals just can't grasp. The problem is never the guns, its the society they create for themselves.
32 posted on 01/15/2013 2:44:04 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Oh there are enough cops there for East Oakland, but they are are running around in their patrol cars all day- not one single foot patrol there - they are chicken cops- The only place they have foot patrols is in Oakland Chinatown to protect tourists there- but the locals in Chinatown Oakland have had their own security forces there since 1960s`— they go in groups at night when the cops leave and patrol all of Chinatown with clubs and bats.- You could walk pretty safely there then with those citizen patrols. I lived there for 3 years.


33 posted on 01/15/2013 2:53:02 PM PST by bunkerhill7 ( duhhhh)
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To: carriage_hill

34 posted on 01/15/2013 2:56:11 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: brownsfan

Third World dominance(governance) brings Third World living.


35 posted on 01/15/2013 3:13:17 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Travis McGee

That graphic makes my neck hair stand-up! And we’re legally only a couple of flute notes away from it happening, right here. FMCDH.


36 posted on 01/15/2013 3:18:35 PM PST by carriage_hill (AR-10s/15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. Self-Defense is The First Human Right.)
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To: RobbyS

There’s a large (benign) mass surrounding it, now. I told the docs that if you’re planning to take it out, I want it to wear on a chain around my neck. Legally, all bullet wounds require LE notification, but since that was 39yrs ago, it doesn’t apply anymore. SOL has expired.


37 posted on 01/15/2013 3:24:55 PM PST by carriage_hill (AR-10s/15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. Self-Defense is The First Human Right.)
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To: ScottinVA
Literally 5 feet down the block, brothers Boogie and Antwan Johnson, who were walking home, also had a story of violence to tell.

Y'know. As a young boy, I hated my name. I wondered what had possessed my mother to name me "Antwan." I mean, it's spelled "Antoine", for Pete's sake.

But then, my baby brother came along and she named him "Boogie". I came to love my name.

38 posted on 01/15/2013 3:39:23 PM PST by BfloGuy (Workers and consumers are, of course, identical.)
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To: BfloGuy
But then, my baby brother came along and she named him "Boogie".

That's a great name. Of course he was destined to become a bluesman.

39 posted on 01/15/2013 3:41:27 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Oakland and it’s sisters:
Chicago, Detroit, Atlanta, Clevland, Pittsburg, and etc.


40 posted on 01/15/2013 3:42:48 PM PST by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: carriage_hill

Hope it doesn’t move. Good luck with it,.


41 posted on 01/15/2013 3:59:06 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: fwdude
It’s not just the urban “gangster” black culture, but their liberal white handlers.

If you notice, white liberals don't allow blacks near them. San Francisco white democrats drove black democrats to Oakland. The white flight of Detroit began under the 40 year Democrat rule. White democrat enclaves such as Boulder, Colorado, or Aspen are entirely white, with prices driven up so high blacls are priced out of the market.

Blacks, in their ordinary daily life, are far more likely to encounter conservatives than white liberals.

42 posted on 01/15/2013 4:02:23 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: RobbyS

you just don’t understand. it’s for the children. nobody needs an assault weapon designed to kill people. 7 bullets is more than enough


43 posted on 01/15/2013 4:44:31 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: fwdude
True.

Actually, this is a pretty decent piece.
Properly lays blame on the "groups" and their culture rather than on evil guns which are virtually banned in Oakland and severely restricted across Kalifornia.

(For the rest of you; ten round magazines are already here,,,unless you are a "criminal".)

44 posted on 01/15/2013 5:50:29 PM PST by norton
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To: atomic_dog

The Baby Mamma as straw buyer has deep roots; remembering the very nice old lady I encountered while she was being denied services by a gunsmith while her teen aged thug grandson stood by expecting his .38SW Lemon Squeezer to be repaired.


45 posted on 01/15/2013 6:45:15 PM PST by norton
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To: dirtymac
On the other hand:
If not for Oakland, 'Frisco could not exist in it's present form.

PS: Last time I had to be in SF I was put up in a high scale hotel in a 'safe' part of town. I arrived in time to witness the aftermath of a mugging on the entrance steps of that same hotel.

46 posted on 01/15/2013 7:13:30 PM PST by norton
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To: norton

I was in San Francisco a few years ago for a conference and stayed at one of the upscale business hotels. When leavingat 6:30 am I was able to see all of the derelics sleeping in any corner on the streets. All able bodied adult men who just don’t want to work.

This mess of our society has been intentionally caused by the communist democratic party so as to bring about a completely new definition. . .oh hell never mind.


47 posted on 01/16/2013 9:10:47 AM PST by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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