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Biden Proposals Include Framework for Gun Registry and Confiscation
email Gun Owners of America ^ | 1/15/2013 | Gun Owners of America

Posted on 01/15/2013 7:27:03 AM PST by FR_addict

Up to 50-80% of all guns in circulation could be covered

Press reports now make it clear what Vice President Joe Biden’s gun control package will look like. Biden wants to impose:

* A Feinstein-like semi-auto ban which, according to experts who have done the counting, could ban up to 50% of all long guns currently in circulation and up to 80% of all handguns. Incidentally, if you wanted to keep the AR-15 you currently have, you would have to have a 6-month FBI background check, be fingerprinted, and get a machine gun-type license.

* The framework for national gun registration and confiscation by requiring every gun transaction to have a Brady Check.

* Supposed “toughening” of anti-gun trafficking measures, but without doing anything about the man responsible for allowing more gun trafficking than any other American -- Attorney General Eric Holder (with his Fast and Furious program).

Let us backtrack and explain a couple of things: Increasingly ATF is going into gun dealers and xeroxing all of the 4473’s. This is illegal under McClure-Volkmer, but, in case you hadn’t noticed, Obama is increasingly ignoring the law when it inconveniences him.

Thus, if every gun transaction in America must have a Brady Check, every gun in America could presumably be fed into a national registration system by ATF by simply copying the 4473’s.

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo -– a man who gives you a pretty good idea of where gun control is going -– said, on the front page of the New York Times, that “confiscation” of firearms is an option. Obviously, having a registration list makes such a task much easier.

But what about so-called large-capacity magazines? Well, Republicans like Georgia’s Phil Gingrey have talked about the possibility of banning them. However, there are many problems with this.

First of all, millions of gun owners own these magazines for defensive purposes. To take away a homeowner’s right to choose these devices will simply make honest citizens less safe -- especially, when they are facing multiple attackers.

Moreover, police have sometimes had to fire 20-30 rounds to finally stop just one drug-crazed individual from shooting. This just underscores why, quite often, good guys will need more than just six-shooters.

Second, there are tens of millions of high-capacity magazines in circulation. What are you going to do about them?

Third, changing magazines (or switching guns) is not a big deal for people like Adam Lanza.

Fourth -- and perhaps most important –- this is a game the anti-gun zealots have played before: They threaten to kill the Second Amendment, and then negotiate their way back to “merely” eviscerating it.

Or put another way, they threaten to shoot us in the head to get us to agree to cutting off our fingers.

The only way that America’s gun owners are going to have peace over the next decade is to stop ALL gun control -– as we did after Columbine –- and then defeat compromising legislators running for reelection in 2014.

ACTION: Click here to contact your Senators and Congressmen. Demand that they oppose ALL gun control -- including magazine limitations and universal background (registration) checks -- being proposed by the Biden commission.


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They are violating the 2nd and 4th amendment, but they don't care. It doesn't solve anything, except make law abiding citizens of this great country - criminals.
1 posted on 01/15/2013 7:27:10 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: FR_addict

First New York, then the rest of the country.


2 posted on 01/15/2013 7:28:41 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: FR_addict
Time to tell the Federal Government to go to hell. House must start impeachment of both King Obama and Biden.
3 posted on 01/15/2013 7:30:04 AM PST by Logical me
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To: FR_addict

The liberal (er, now “progressive”) path to gun prohibition:

30 to 10 to 7 to “five or six” to 3 to 1 to NONE. The following is just one quote out of many:

Bloomberg Blasts NRA: ‘Connecticut Is Because of Some of Their Actions’

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But if he had his preference, Bloomberg said he would go farther than the 1994 ban and outlaw all

automatic and semi-automatic weapons and high-capacity magazines. The mayor said magazines shouldn’t

be allowed to contain more than five or six rounds.

“If you haven’t hit the deer with three shots, you’re a pretty lousy shot. The deer deserves to get

away,” he said....

link: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bloomberg-blasts-nra-connecticut-actions/story?id=18029157


4 posted on 01/15/2013 7:31:00 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: theBuckwheat

If you care to read a few words out of that “little book”, as CNN’s Piers Morgan recently described it, you will find the Constitution was written solely to form a government so that we might enjoy the blessings of liberty. That government was designed from the bottom up with limited powers in order to protect the rights the Creator gives to all humans by right of birth, rights that exist outside of any government.

Members of the media understand that a free press is essential to preserve liberty and protect the country from a government run amok. What member of the media would have said we must preserve the First Amendment just in case some future president attempts to subvert the electoral process or we need to publish some classified Pentagon papers about a costly war? Previously the First was best known for shielding the publishing of pornography. Yet if it had not been for the reporting of Woodward and Burstein during the Watergate coverup, or Daniel Ellsberg’s publishing of a classified study about the Vietnam War who knows what other outrages would have followed?

The right to freely publish expression in speech, media and in internet commentary is such a precious component of protecting our liberties from a government run amok that it is my duty to pass the First Amendment on to my grandchildren just in case some future outrage threatens the country.

Similarly, just because I may not need to fully exercise the pre-existing rights recognized in the Second Amendment that doesn’t relieve me of the duty and obligation to pass those rights fully and unencumbered to my grandchildren just in case they must exercise them to protect their liberty.

The truth is that nobody can know how or why some future government will attempt to break free of the powers the Constitution limits it to, nor how it may abuse the enumerated powers it clearly has. So while I may not really need this particular style of rifle at this moment anymore than I really need 30, 10, or even five or six pages of Hustler Magazine. I am obligated to make sure my children and grandchildren can freely exercise those very same rights or else I have not been a good citizen, nor even a good parent.


5 posted on 01/15/2013 7:34:52 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: theBuckwheat

The second amendment is not about “hunting” albeit asshats like Bloomberg and the supreme jerk try to push this propaganda out. Worse, a gullible public believes it.

They can pass all the laws they want, I am not giving up any of my guns, magazines, ammo or anything else that is my God given right to have.


6 posted on 01/15/2013 7:37:47 AM PST by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: FR_addict

I never hear Democrats applauding Bloomberg, but you’d never know the guy was not already a Democrat. I’m suprised I don’t see the likes of Reid or Pelosi hugging Bloomberg publicly and saying things like, “we can get along with Republicans after all.” and “We wish all Republicans would emulate the great Bloomberg”


7 posted on 01/15/2013 7:41:57 AM PST by Blue Highway
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To: FR_addict
I'll give up my guns when all politicians and elected officials give up their armed guards.

Deal?

8 posted on 01/15/2013 7:42:49 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: Blue Highway

Bloomberg was a life long Democrat but only switched to R when he knew he had no chance in the Dem Mayoral primary in NYC in 2001. There was no viable R candidate so he basically bought the seat.


9 posted on 01/15/2013 7:46:01 AM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: FR_addict

That is the goal, make law abiding citizens afraid they are breaking the law. Ignoring this claptrap is no worse than driving through a red light in the middle of the nigh at a deserted intersection. No harm is done. There is no witness and there is no infraction.

Keep your powder dry. Don’t blink.


10 posted on 01/15/2013 7:49:19 AM PST by Sequoyah101
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“I’ll give up my guns when all politicians and elected officials give up their armed guards”

I’ll take it a step further...all the media darlings have to go without security. I’d bet there’s guard in the lobby at MSNBC. Why do they think they are so special.


11 posted on 01/15/2013 7:50:46 AM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Mouton

None of us will Mouton, but even if they go so far as to confiscate the guns they would never go door to door to get them, no one would be stupid enough except the military and it would take forever to search house by house anyway.

Confiscation will happen like this:

1)They make it illegal to possess a shopping list of guns that are found by the millions.

2)They do nothing but threaten a huge fine and/or jail time if you don’t turn them in.

3)Half the pu... er, owners will capitulate and baa their way to the nearest turn-in center, perhaps getting a tax credit or a small check for being “honest”.

4)From that point on anyone found to have one will be arrested, slapped with a felony (voting rights removed of course) and fined up the ying/yang. No more target practice, ammo, or displaying of you hidden weapons to anyone, fearful that your friends who capitulated will turn you in for a reward that is offered also.

5)They do nothing else but wait.


12 posted on 01/15/2013 7:56:23 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: FR_addict
Let us backtrack and explain a couple of things: Increasingly ATF is going into gun dealers and xeroxing all of the 4473’s. This is illegal under McClure-Volkmer, but, in case you hadn’t noticed, Obama is increasingly ignoring the law when it inconveniences him.

I personally think that this article is short on fact. I can only recall one case where the ATF went into a gunshop in Arizona and asked to get copies of the Forms 4473 from a new employee. More experienced people at the gun store told the ATF to go get effed. They may ask, for now, but it is illegal and the gun seller does not have to comply unless there is a specific warrant on a sale made for a specific gun.

13 posted on 01/15/2013 7:57:26 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: FR_addict

F_-_ you, Joe...No.


14 posted on 01/15/2013 7:58:19 AM PST by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: theBuckwheat

Bloomberg can kiss my @ss.


15 posted on 01/15/2013 8:00:00 AM PST by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: FR_addict
RE:”But what about so-called large-capacity magazines? Well, Republicans like Georgia’s Phil Gingrey have talked about the possibility of banning them. However, there are many problems with this.
First of all, millions of gun owners own these magazines for defensive purposes. “

Wont we need this when Os Storm Troopers come to confiscate our guns?

What kind of clips will they be using?

16 posted on 01/15/2013 8:00:06 AM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to O is NO principle!)
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To: FR_addict

None of these proposals are enforceable or lawful. Unless we have a constitutional convention the 2nd amendendment still protects God given authority to protect ourselves. Nothing any man pens changes this fact.

If you are dumb enough to self identify then you might as well pick up your ticket to the gas chamber.


17 posted on 01/15/2013 8:01:04 AM PST by PJammers (I can't help it... It's my idiom!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

No deal.

I will never give up my guns for any reason.

I do not care what politicians and elected officials do with their guns.


18 posted on 01/15/2013 8:05:12 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: sickoflibs

“What kind of clips will they be using?”

They won’t be using clips they will be using maga....Oh hell, I give up. Bigger fish to fry.


19 posted on 01/15/2013 8:06:50 AM PST by saleman (!!!!)
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To: chris37

I was illustrating the hypocrisy of politicians and elected officials hiding behind armed guards while dictating that we be soft targets.


20 posted on 01/15/2013 8:08:58 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: FR_addict
In Soviet Union, guns lose you in boating accident.

21 posted on 01/15/2013 8:09:25 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio)
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To: FR_addict

It will be the match that lights the fuse to begin a second civil war.


22 posted on 01/15/2013 8:13:03 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: FR_addict

You can bet that kali won’t stand to be one-upped by those upstarts in new york as to who has the stupidest anti-gun laws. You know, the ones that don’t do anything except make law abiding citizens criminals for doing what they have a constitutional right to do.

NV freepers. Noon, Carson City, Saturday 1/19.

Just say “NO!”.

Molon labe.


23 posted on 01/15/2013 8:14:02 AM PST by rktman (Live the oath you took or get out of office!)
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To: FR_addict

It will go along that it will be “blue states” trying to push the “red states” around. It will blowback in the faces of the blue states.


24 posted on 01/15/2013 8:15:08 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: FR_addict

Nice going obama. Criminalize the law abiding citizens.


25 posted on 01/15/2013 8:21:32 AM PST by Rapscallion (Obama does not know how to respect the opinions of others and find common ground.)
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To: FR_addict

This is to make honest, law-abiding citizens get prosecuted as if they were criminals, while deliberately and intentionally leaving guns in the hands of violent criminals.


26 posted on 01/15/2013 8:21:48 AM PST by I want the USA back
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I know, Unum, however I think it is important to illustrate that there is no circumstance in which I will give up my guns, even the the circumstance is absurd and will obviously never occur.

At this point I say that I am ready to give up politicans and elected officials. They serve no purpose other than to consume freedom, and that purpose needs to be ended now.


27 posted on 01/15/2013 8:24:36 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: FR_addict

Hypocrite liberal media toadies:

James O’Keefe Visits Homes Of Journalists Who Published Names And Addresses Of Gun Owners, Finds Them Protected By Armed Security Guards…

VIDEO:

http://weaselzippers.us/

Scroll down the page.


28 posted on 01/15/2013 8:26:35 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Sequoyah101

Red light cameras put a stop to that years ago around here. All under the guise it was only to monitor traffic conditions, but now is a big money maker issuing $200-$300 fines for running yellow/red lights.


29 posted on 01/15/2013 8:30:22 AM PST by Blue Highway
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NO!
30 posted on 01/15/2013 8:32:33 AM PST by RandallFlagg
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To: I want the USA back

“There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted and you create a nation of law-breakers — and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system.”

Quote by: Ayn Rand
(1905-1982) Author
Source: “Atlas Shrugged”, Part II, Chapter 3


31 posted on 01/15/2013 8:37:56 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Abathar
I think you hit the nail on the head. Basically criminalize anyone who owns a gun & refuses to register or turn it in. Also I would expect that any ammo purchases would then be fed into a database as well, so that it will trigger an investigation into "WHY are you purchasing ammo if you have no guns".

Quite honestly, the bill going forward in NY state right now, will criminalize anyone who does not register their firearms and prohibits the sale or transfer of any so called "assult rifles". To me, that indicates that when the "assult rifle" owner dies, the gun will be required to turn into the NY state gubmint. It will be interesting to see what becomes of this bill and if NY gun owners will refuse to comply.

32 posted on 01/15/2013 8:39:09 AM PST by rcrngroup
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To: FR_addict

violating the 2nd and 4th, hell try the
1st amendmet, freedom of religion because of turd pokers and feces lovers.

try the 2nd for gun rights.

try the 10th wiht states rights and if DOMA is overturned then there is no 10th

try the 14th for the debt limit.

The constitution is being ripped up as I type this and nothing.

The French showed more balls in their hundreds of thousands for normal marriage.
The Prods in N Ireland have ene rioting for days since they took the British flag down over their Govt building

We have our rigths being attacked and our party written a letter after that arrogant speech


33 posted on 01/15/2013 8:39:43 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: FR_addict

We are now at DEFCON 2.


34 posted on 01/15/2013 8:39:51 AM PST by ConservativeInPA
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To: theBuckwheat

the low info voters think rights are homo marriage, abortion etc and they;’re not, our rights are in the constitution and I have more right to have a gun than be married so Bloomberg and the great unwashed low info masses, F=off.

As for the media, WHAT MEDIA?

They’;re nothing but a mouth peice fro the left and their socialist agenda and our party writes a letter , WTH is that B/S, GET OUT THERE AND FIGHT BACK, CALL THIS WHAT IT IS AND DO SOMETHING


35 posted on 01/15/2013 8:43:05 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: FR_addict

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/14/Obama-impeachment


36 posted on 01/15/2013 8:43:15 AM PST by matthew fuller (We are 9350000 men with battle rifles, not armed because we are free, but free because we are armed.)
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To: theBuckwheat

Well said, and correct.


37 posted on 01/15/2013 8:43:33 AM PST by Hardastarboard (The Liberal ruling class hates me. The feeling is mutual.)
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To: rcrngroup

Reminders on gun registration are in the graphic posted on this forum.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2978142/posts?q=1&;page=51


38 posted on 01/15/2013 8:44:18 AM PST by IM2MAD (IM2MAD=Individual Motivated 2 Make A Difference)
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To: Biggirl

the socialist blue states can f-off and form their liberal socilaist utopia as far as I;m concerned.

Obama was electd through fraud , a rigged election from the Chicago machine and low info voters.
The constitution was not up for election and to hell withour party if they can’t get up there after the arrogant speeches of barack obama yesterday and show frigging emotion and call him what he is, a socialist radical.

They can take their socialist out of the red states and the swing states like mine FL too .


39 posted on 01/15/2013 8:47:04 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: FR_addict

Guns were meant to protect us from Tyranny, of course they want to disarm us.


40 posted on 01/15/2013 8:47:04 AM PST by MaxMax (Gun free zones was the invitation to gun bans by the left, at any cost)
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To: Logical me
House must start impeachment of both King Obama and Biden.

GOP - find your spine or be prepared to be relegated to the history books like the Whigs.
41 posted on 01/15/2013 8:51:20 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: rcrngroup
I guarantee that gun owners in NY state and city voted for this dumb idiot and it is they who should give their guns up , not us.

They wanted this crap then they can live by it whilst those conservatives and decent gun owners get down here to VA, NC, FL, stop giving the socialist states your money to push their radical agenda.
Down here your votes will help and not be ignored, your money will go to freedom and not more laws and rules and where YOUR RIGHTS are taken away.

Homosexual marriage is ot a right, abortion is not a right, but freedom of religion and gun rights according to the 1st and 2nd are your rights.

We get our rights not from some special interest group but rights which have been there for hundreds of years.

Shall not be infringed, infringed means you don;t make it hard and ban certain weapons, or make ammo hard to get.

The courts needs to be cleansed, the media nerd to be addressed and can anyone tell me where THE HELL IS THE GOP, after their pathetic letter yesterday they did after the wanna be kinds speech to a loving adoring press, are they even called the press anymore?

42 posted on 01/15/2013 8:53:09 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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They should, but these cowards never will. Thier testicals have never dropped.

I do not know how this is going to end, but I am reasonably certain that we are not going to like the end result. I also believe that a good many hard working, honest law abiding patriots are about to become instant felons.


43 posted on 01/15/2013 8:54:19 AM PST by Gator113
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To: Mouton

I’m not giving up anything I have either. I told one of my friends “I will have my guns as long as I am alive”


44 posted on 01/15/2013 8:55:28 AM PST by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: Cheerio

see what they did after that arogant snotty speech yesterday?

They sat down and put out a letter, WTF is that about, get out there challenge the media, take on obama, take on thrse socialists taking our rights away and call for millions of people outside the white house like in Egypt.

Hell I;ll camp out there, millions of us out side, imagine the pictures around the world of this wanna be dictator being protested by millions and camping outsdie our house, not his.


45 posted on 01/15/2013 8:56:55 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Abathar

Unless we have a much needed revolution and solve the problem for another 200 years


46 posted on 01/15/2013 9:02:13 AM PST by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: FR_addict
There are an average of 537 deaths per DAY in America as a result of medical procedures (196,000 per year). WE MUST BAN THE FIELD OF MEDICINE!!!!!/s
47 posted on 01/15/2013 9:04:32 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: theBuckwheat

As a naturalized citizen from England, it really p*ssed me off when Piers tossed aside, what he called, “your little book”. He’s so incredibly arrogant, doesn’t understand that he doesn’t understand the constitution. He doesn’t respect it. He’s fine with the 1st amendment, it allows him the freedom to speak his garbage - but he doesn’t seem to realize that the the 2nd amendment has equal weight, it is the means to enforce the 1st amendment.

I’m embarrassed by this guy. I don’t think he realizes how he looks to those outside of NY. Most Americans despise foreigners that come here and try to tell them how America “should be” - especially when they don’t respect (or know much about) the constitution and even more so coming from an Englishman. ...let’s just say I went through an awakening, I know the Piers Morgan’s of the world, I used to think like him.


48 posted on 01/15/2013 9:04:46 AM PST by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: Biggirl
It will be the match that lights the fuse to begin a second civil war.

This is exactly what they want. For some strange reason, they think they will win.

49 posted on 01/15/2013 9:05:12 AM PST by Drill Thrawl (The Progs are pushing for war. Be ready.)
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To: FR_addict

[[Biden Proposals Include Framework for Gun Registry and Confiscation]]

And I’m sure mental health evaluatiosn will work it’s way i nthere as the vp discovers NY’ers did NOT stand up for hteir rights when NY violated them with their impossible gun laws


50 posted on 01/15/2013 9:07:56 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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