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Biden: W.H. readies 19 executive actions on guns
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Posted on 01/14/2013 5:10:08 PM PST by Sub-Driver

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To: nutmeg

I felt America die the night of his first election. As a political junkie since I was about 12, I followed every election and memorized electoral results. In 2008, I couldn’t watch and do not even know the final electoral results. I was at the indoor gun range trying out a new 9mm. I could not watch this year.

Even after the first four years, the purists could not see the danger. If their candidate did not win the nomination, they would show the GOP elite. So here we are.

Romney was very flawed. But I cannot envision a scenario where he would create 19 points for gun control and try to tell us he would use executive orders to implement them. We would be in the streets, and the opposition from his own party would be overwhelming. Even the press, who would be for the 19 points, would fight Romney just because he was a Republican. They would call him a dictator.

Since the founders, of course, we have never before had a president who did not grow up as an American, who hated whitey, who was a black racist, who will not even try to disguise his support of Islamists, whose resume was community organizer, and who had zero respect for the Constitution, which he considers a flawed document.

In many election cycles, I would have supported a protest vote or vote out of principle. But this time it was different. He told us what he was going to do. The future of the republic is in jeopardy. If nothing else, Romney would have done something to generate economic activity in the private sector. Obama is not just incompetent; he actually wants to destroy this country and bring it to its knees for its sins of the past. He is going to collapse our economy and the world economy.


421 posted on 01/15/2013 9:10:20 AM PST by doug from upland (Obama and the leftists - destroying our country one day at a time)
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To: austinaero

422 posted on 01/15/2013 9:30:58 AM PST by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: Marcella
As in, what happens if thousands/millions march against Washington with their fire arms? Hussein would call out some form of the military to put down the march. Would not the nation break down into riots when that happens?

So then it becomes, will the military honor their oath to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution". We already know damn near every politician has no honor and won't honor their oath, but I suspect the majority of the military have honor and will.
423 posted on 01/15/2013 9:59:13 AM PST by crosshairs (They are only assault weapons in the hands of tyrannical governments and criminals. Ban both.)
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To: Born to Conserve
It’s time for state and local LE to settle on which side they’ll take.

Keeping in mind that they are immensely outnumbered.
424 posted on 01/15/2013 10:02:54 AM PST by crosshairs (They are only assault weapons in the hands of tyrannical governments and criminals. Ban both.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

545 vs. 300,000,000 People
-By Charlie Reese

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don’t propose a federal budget. The President does.

You and I don’t have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

You and I don’t write the tax code, Congress does.

You and I don’t set fiscal policy, Congress does.

You and I don’t control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one President, and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a President to do one cotton-picking thing. I don’t care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator’s responsibility to determine how he votes.

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits.. ( The President can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.)

The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House?( John Boehner. He is the leader of the majority party. He and fellow House members, not the President, can approve any budget they want. ) If the President vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to. [The House has passed a budget but the Senate has not approved a budget in over three years. The President’s proposed budgets have gotten almost unanimous rejections in the Senate in that time. ]

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted — by present facts — of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can’t think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

If the tax code is unfair, it’s because they want it unfair.

If the budget is in the red, it’s because they want it in the red.

If the Army & Marines are in Iraq and Afghanistan it’s because they want them in Iraq and Afghanistan ..

If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it’s because they want it that way.

There are no insoluble government problems.

Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power.
Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like “the economy,” “inflation,” or “politics” that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible. They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses. Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees... We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!

Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper.


425 posted on 01/15/2013 10:22:00 AM PST by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: skeeter
These 19 EO's have been collecting dust at the Center for American Progress for 30 years...

Careful. The Center for American Progress was founded in 2003.

426 posted on 01/15/2013 10:23:48 AM PST by Steve0113 (I miss having a president who loves this country.)
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To: livius

Like you said, it shouldn’t matter whether you own a gun or not. The president cannot alter the constitution by EO & should not go anywhere near there. That being said, I can’t believe that someone doesn’t own a firearm for personal protection in this day and age, unless you can afford to live somewhere with 24 hr. armed security.


427 posted on 01/15/2013 10:25:55 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Sub-Driver
Ninja Smiley
thanks, for the post.

428 posted on 01/15/2013 10:26:23 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today;who can take your income,tax it all away..0'Bozo man can :-)
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To: Neoliberalnot
We shouldn't give a damn what obozo feels he has within his grasp...THAT SHOULD N-O-T STOP US FROM DOING THE FOLLOWING....WE MUST CALL THE REPUBLICAN/CONSERVATIVE POLITICIANS AND DEMAND THAT THEY STAND WITH REP. STILLMAN AND THREATEN TO IMPEACH OBOZO IF HE THREATENS TO GO EXECUTIVE ORDER AND DO AS HE WISHES. WE CANNOT STOP APPLYING PRESSURE, WE CANNOT STOP CALLING AND FAXING THESE POLITICIANS...WE MUST CONTINUE TO APPLY PRESSURE TO THESE PEOPLE...IF REP STILLMAN FOUND THE BALLS AND THE FIRE IN HIS BELLY TO STAND UP AND FIGHT THIS BASTARD IN O-U-R WHITE HOUSE, THEN THERE MAY BE MORE OUT THERE WHO WILL DO THE SAME, AND IT IS O-U-R JOB TO KEEP CALLING AND APPLYING PRESSURE! WE MUST USE EVERY OPTION WE CAN THINK OF TO DEMAND, DELAY, OBSTRUCT, SABOTAGE, REFUSE, AND KEEP APPLYING PRESSURE ON THE VERY PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE MOST POWER AT THIS POINT TO DO SOMETHING, AND DO SOMETHING THEY MUST! SO LET'S DROP THE NEGATIVE RHETORIC, AND ALL THE TALK ABOUT HOW WE ARE DOOMED AND THAT WE HAVE LOST. GET ON THE PHONE, YOUR FAX, AND CALL THE REPUBLICAN/CONSERVATIVE POLITICIANS AND DEMAND THAT THEY IMPEACH OBOZO....THESE POLITICIANS MUST STAND UP AND DO THEIR DUTY TO THEIR OATH TO DEFEND AND PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION AND THE LIBERTY, FREEDOM, RIGHTS! OF WE THE PEOPLE. May God bless us in our endeavors, and “let's roll.” Remember the brave passenger on that plane on 9/11 by the name of Todd Beamer who uttered those last words, before they stormed the cockpit? Well, what in the hell is holding US back from doing the same? Let's roll and get er’ done!
429 posted on 01/15/2013 10:26:31 AM PST by itssme
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To: Steve1789
OK, the anti gun wish list has been sitting around for ten years.

Point is Biden had not a damn thing to do with it.

430 posted on 01/15/2013 10:37:27 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Last Dakotan

Firearms Freedom Act

Originally introduced and passed in Montana, the FFA declares that any firearms made and retained in-state are beyond the authority of Congress under its constitutional power to regulate commerce among the states.

Following initial Montana enactment, clones of the Firearms Freedom Act have subsequently been enacted in Tennessee, Utah, Wyoming and South Dakota, and other clones have been introduced in the legislatures of twenty-some other states.

The FFA is primarily a Tenth Amendment challenge to the powers of Congress under the “commerce clause,” with firearms as the object – it is a state’s rights exercise.

431 posted on 01/15/2013 10:40:13 AM PST by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: itssme

We are past that point. It ain’t gonna happen. Bo has massive party control of the senate, and, he also has the old media to support his dictatorship.


432 posted on 01/15/2013 11:04:20 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Orangedog
I'm sorry, but this is news to me. Do you happen to have a link showing where Romney, single-handedly and against the will of the voters of MA, enacted gun legislation which banned gun ownership? I'd really like to see that source, link or proof.

And your rhetoric of "He had no problem ordering people at gunpoint to do business with his campaign contributors or have their assets seized and put in jail." sounds like leftist bullshit to me.

That said, Romney was by no means my first choice or even my second choice in the GOP nomination process, but I realized....like most 'thinking adults'....that even he was better for America than the POS currently residing in the WH for yet another four years (or more). Too bad others (like you, perhaps) did not come to that realization as well.....since we wouldn't be having this conversation and the country wouldn't be faced with its' very first dictator.

Legislation: During the Romney Administration, no anti-Second Amendment or anti-sportsmen legislation made its way to the Governor’s desk.

Governor Romney did sign five pro-Second Amendment/pro-sportsmen bills into law. His administration also worked with Gun Owners’ Action League and the Democratic leadership of the Massachusetts House and Senate to remove any anti-Second Amendment language from the Gang Violence bill passed in 2006. A summary of this legislation follows.

http://goal.org/newspages/romney.html

433 posted on 01/15/2013 12:11:15 PM PST by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: driftdiver

Serious question.

Does it physically cause you pain to put this much effort in ignoring the fact congress could at any moment of the day shut Obama down cold, yet does not?

Did aliens abduct you and put some form of cognitive block in your neural pathways to divert anything that might allow you to acknowledge it?

Does it hurt to just repeat the same tired crap when the reality on the ground, the very experience we live day by day explodes with the evidence of your folly?

Does the FACT that by following your cunning plan, we now have a house filled with people likely to agree to trash the 2A and that continuing it will put MORE like them on the job, not even make a dent in your wall of self inflicted ignorance?

I really want to know. Because if being that willfully ignorant of reality and that determined to make excuses for your failure does not hurt, it should.

In all these threads and all the posts on this one, not a single one of you to date has done anything but point and blather. You always come up with excuses and ‘that’s in the past’ mewlings. It’s not in the oast and we can do something about it bacause you and others like you are doggedly determined to do the very same thing AGAIN and in any potential elections we may have.

Not a single one of you has any grand plan other than ‘well if we lose in the primaries, we’ll elect the same idiots and hold their feet to the fire!’

Brilliant.

But you never do. And then you bitch at people like me for not falling in adoration of your wisdom.

Good luck with that. But stop complaining about living in the reality your votes created.


434 posted on 01/15/2013 12:12:00 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

huh? that oven temp must be getting up there because you just aren’t making sense


435 posted on 01/15/2013 12:15:42 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Why don’t you try reading the thread again in context. Read your posts.Read the posts of people agreeing with you. Then read my replies.

This will either clear up your confusion, or not. But your reply did make my point quite well. Even if you don’t understand it.


436 posted on 01/15/2013 12:25:53 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

No need to do that. You aren’t making sense.

Principles matter and so do elections. You think its appropriate to boycott an election if you don’t approve a candidate.

I think you’re a fool. We had one of two choices for the President. Not voting or voting for a third party only helped Obama who is FAR worse then Romney ever dreamed of being.

So Obama is president and handing out his decrees and your principles have accomplished nothing positive and never will because they will never again be in a position of power to do so.

Candidates pay attention to people who vote. In the case of Obama it helps to hand over a few million dollars.


437 posted on 01/15/2013 12:35:15 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Please show me where I said boycott an election. Ever. In my life. Here or elsewhere Once.

I said support and vote for people you believe in. Conservatives.

If you think I’m a fool for that. It ain’t me with a problem.

My statements stand and not one of you has refuted them. When you do, ping me.


438 posted on 01/15/2013 1:03:26 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: XenaLee
. Do you happen to have a link showing where Romney,single-handedly and against the will of the voters of MA,enacted gun legislation which banned gun ownership? I'd really like to see that source,link or proof.

http://gunowners.org/op09292011tm.htm

That little gem from 2004 permanently banned many semi autos. I know you want to pretend he didn't sign that, or tack on that signing statement saying how much he supported banning ownership of those guns, but he did. And I don't care about the will of a few liberals. A lot of liberals are supporting obamas proposed gun ban. So that makes it okay with you, right?

The fine for romneycare was payable to the state's taxing authority. What happens when you don't pay a taxing authority money they say you owe...? Come on, this is an easy one. That's right...they seize your accounts and arrest you. Don't believe me..? Try it and let us know how it worked for you. Calling it "bullshit" doesn't change the truth. But go ahead and keep carrying that liberal's water for him. The gop establishment thanks you.

439 posted on 01/15/2013 1:04:49 PM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Norm Lenhart

“Please show me where I said boycott an election. Ever. In my life. Here or elsewhere Once.”

Well lets see, there are two viable candidates in the election. You say you’re not voting for obama but you’re also not supporting Romney due to your “principles”.

If you don’t vote for Romney then its helping Obama. How is that effectively different than a boycott?

yes I think you’re a fool. You’ve been refuted numerous times but are so prideful that you refuse to open your eyes.

You are putting yourself above your nation and for that I will turn the ovens up extra hot for you.


440 posted on 01/15/2013 1:10:03 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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