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Hundreds sign up to live in the Citadel
Mail Online ^ | 1.14.2013 | Daniel Miller

Posted on 01/14/2013 12:34:14 PM PST by FeliciaCat

Hundreds of families have signed up to join a new community dubbed the Citadel, an armed and 'defensible' fortress city where their freedoms and liberty will be fiercely protected. Organisers have outlined plans for a community of 3,500 to 7,000 families of 'patriotic' Americans in western Idaho and more than 200 have already signed up through their website. The group has already purchased 20 acres in the area where they intend to build arms factory which will be used to fund the project.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Idaho
KEYWORDS: oneborneveryminute

1 posted on 01/14/2013 12:34:17 PM PST by FeliciaCat
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To: FeliciaCat

There’s a sucker born every minute.


2 posted on 01/14/2013 12:37:52 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: FeliciaCat

In 1999 there were groups that “sold land” in the desert to escape the coming menace of 2000. This sounds similar except I’d take this far more seriously.


3 posted on 01/14/2013 12:38:24 PM PST by albie
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To: Noumenon

Ping.


4 posted on 01/14/2013 12:43:23 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: albie
This sounds similar except I’d take this far more seriously.

You better take a look at their plan first.
5 posted on 01/14/2013 12:43:49 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: FeliciaCat
"Marxists, Socialists, Liberals and Establishment Republicans will likely find that life in our community is incompatible with their existing ideology and preferred lifestyles."

No gay marriage? No medical marijuana?

"There will be no recycling police and no local ordinance enforcers from City Hall."

Racists!
6 posted on 01/14/2013 12:45:33 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder (Common sense is the first casualty of a depraved mind.)
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To: FeliciaCat
"Hundreds of families have signed up to join a new community dubbed the Citadel, an armed and 'defensible' fortress city..."

The European landscape is littered with the crumbling remnants of that concept. Defense was a failed strategy in the 12th century. In a era of armed UAVs, your enemy can now scrub your fortress city off the map from the air conditioned comfort of a govt. installation half way around the world. And then he can step out for a nice vente latte at the Starbucks in the lobby.
7 posted on 01/14/2013 12:50:42 PM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: cripplecreek

That is a scam operation IMHO.

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2013/01/citadel-questions-for-potential.html


8 posted on 01/14/2013 12:51:18 PM PST by fudimo
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To: FeliciaCat

They must have forgotten about bombs falling from the sky....


9 posted on 01/14/2013 12:53:05 PM PST by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: PowderMonkey
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Ain't no way in hell you could get me into that place.
10 posted on 01/14/2013 12:53:29 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: fudimo

I agree.

Nearly 30,000 people packed into 2 to 3 thousand acres surrounded by watch towers with only 1 exit?


11 posted on 01/14/2013 12:57:32 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: FeliciaCat
Maybe they could get some help from this Frenchman?
12 posted on 01/14/2013 12:58:56 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Obama lied, Stevens died.)
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To: cripplecreek

“Town Center” = target cluster


13 posted on 01/14/2013 12:59:10 PM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: FeliciaCat
I think I know how this turns out. I believe I have seen the story before.

Correct me if I am mistaken...

14 posted on 01/14/2013 12:59:57 PM PST by tpmintx (Gun free zones are hunting preserves for unarmed people.)
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To: FeliciaCat

Shades of Rivendell before Y2K

http://articles.latimes.com/2001/jan/27/news/mn-17823


15 posted on 01/14/2013 1:01:40 PM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: PowderMonkey

Its not even a remotely realistic plan. You would have to impose far too many rules to make the place operate for me to be comfortable.


16 posted on 01/14/2013 1:03:56 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: FeliciaCat

Sounds like what Glenn Beck is proposing. Did he steal someone else’s ideas again?


17 posted on 01/14/2013 1:04:02 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (The only automatic weapon is the one Obama uses to take your paycheck)
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To: FeliciaCat

Wasn’t there a “Freedom Ship” fantasy proposal something like this, a few decades ago? It was motivated by tax concerns.

The only word that comes to my mind is “hostages”.


18 posted on 01/14/2013 1:14:18 PM PST by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: FeliciaCat

So many people getting ready to survive the end of the world. Something contradictory about all of that.


19 posted on 01/14/2013 1:14:36 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: cripplecreek

I agree. No way would I sign up for that...


20 posted on 01/14/2013 1:15:46 PM PST by FeliciaCat (I like my money where I can see it...hanging in my closet.)
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To: familyop

Something very unsettling about living enclosed in a fortress...are they keeping the world out or the people in?


21 posted on 01/14/2013 1:19:15 PM PST by FeliciaCat (I like my money where I can see it...hanging in my closet.)
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To: albie

This has all the potential to become the secular/political version of the Branch-Davidian complex.
And we know how that ended up.


22 posted on 01/14/2013 1:22:18 PM PST by supremedoctrine
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To: cripplecreek

Ain’t no way in hell you could get me into that place.

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And once you’re in... Ain’t no way in hell you could get out of that place. Unlesss “they” allowed you out.

Even if it were run by people with values, beliefs and ideals IDENTICAL to mine - it would be a societal failure in less than 2 years.


23 posted on 01/14/2013 1:27:09 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Empire_of_Liberty

The only word that comes to my mind is “hostages”.
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“Target-rich environment” also springs to mind. Whoever thought up this harebrained scheme really didn’t plan it too well. I don’t see any AA installations, for instance. And only 1 exit?

This could end up like Waco, or Jonestown. A fiery end, or vats of Flavor-Aid mixed with cyanide.


24 posted on 01/14/2013 1:28:20 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: tpmintx
I like your analogy. Me? I'm reminded of this town.

Jonestown

25 posted on 01/14/2013 1:31:05 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: cripplecreek

Can they escape Obamacare? What about federal income taxes?


26 posted on 01/14/2013 1:33:32 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Empire_of_Liberty
In Jackson Michigan HUD money paid for the Armory Arts Village artists colony in the walls of an old prison.

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27 posted on 01/14/2013 1:33:32 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: fudimo
Good catch on that one, fudimo. From the article: Readers may recall that Christian Hyman, aka Sam Kerodin, is not exactly a favorite of mine, since he appeared out of nowhere and attempted to hijack the Three Percent philosophy (with some success since there are suckers born every minute, apparently). His latest scam is something called "Citadel," wherein he persuades folks to invest in an "Armed 'Defensible' Neighborhood Fortress" in Idaho. It must be admitted that he has certainly scored another propaganda coup by talking the credulous CNS reporter into writing a story that is headlined on Drudge at the moment. Wait for the "exposes" of "gun rights criminals" which will flow from this story when the "mainstream" media begin digging into it. Can a guest shot on Piers Morgan be far behind? A very useful federal stooge is Mr. Hyman, whether he's being paid or not. Like you said, sounds like a scam; and a big one at that. Apparently this Mr. Kerodin (aka Mr. Hyman) is a convicted extortionist. Yeah....sounds like Mr. Kerodin is angling for another spell in the Big House.
28 posted on 01/14/2013 1:40:50 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Having that many people living in close quarters like that means you’re going to have a lot of strict rules and enforcement.

I’ve got far more freedom in my tiny little town of 150 people than you could ever have in a place like that.


29 posted on 01/14/2013 1:41:41 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

How could you say such a thing?

30 posted on 01/14/2013 1:55:13 PM PST by stormer
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To: cripplecreek

You could land gliders on John Parker Green. Get the roof of the museum. Take the east section with the water and power. Blow a hole in the east wall for more forces to enter.


31 posted on 01/14/2013 1:55:31 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Better safe than sorry.)
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To: cripplecreek
Reminds me of this hellhole:


32 posted on 01/14/2013 2:04:34 PM PST by carriage_hill (AR-15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. Self-Defense is The First Human Right.)
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To: FeliciaCat
You could certainly do such a thing, I suppose. What they actually have in hand according to their website is 20 raw acres somewhere in Benewah county. They're hoping for some tax incentives to move the project along. I'm looking at a random 20-acre lot there on MLS, with road, power, and phone access. $64K. They could give you a 100% tax incentive on that and it still wouldn't be much.

I'm not quite as negative as some on the idea because it clearly is intended not for defense against a hostile government, but defense against wandering bad guys in search of an easy target (best of luck with that around here anyway, and bring yer body armor). But if you want remoteness, privacy, and mutual support you don't need anything this elaborate. I have a cabin and some terrific, trustworthy, beautiful neighbors. I'll get by without the reflecting pool.

One other thing - as I write that area is buried in snow. It's north Idaho in the wintertime. You may or may not get in, and you may or may not get out if you do get in. Last Saturday I was almost run over by a snowmobile and a moose. Separate incidents; moose can't legally run snowmobiles around here at least as far as I know. You get used to it.

33 posted on 01/14/2013 2:06:21 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: FeliciaCat
"Something very unsettling about living enclosed in a fortress...are they keeping the world out or the people in?"

Agreed.


34 posted on 01/14/2013 2:20:11 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: FeliciaCat
Heh! Next thing you know, someone's going to open up a multidimensional gateway and.....



Anyone got a crowbar and some birth control glasses?
35 posted on 01/14/2013 2:44:57 PM PST by RandallFlagg
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To: Billthedrill
Separate incidents; moose can't legally run snowmobiles around here at least as far as I know.

ROFLOL! OK, that was funny!

36 posted on 01/14/2013 2:59:30 PM PST by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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To: Billthedrill

My cousin told me this Christmas he’s gonna get himself “20 acres, a shot gun and a mean dog”....lol.


37 posted on 01/14/2013 3:03:18 PM PST by FeliciaCat (I like my money where I can see it...hanging in my closet.)
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To: cripplecreek
Hmmmm....interior defensive walls and towers? Is that to keep the North Neighborhoods out of the East Neighborhood? Who is going to be manning those towers?

It looks like a stinking HOA.
I'll wager the local county officials are rubbing their greedy hands together at the prospect of collecting property taxes from that group.

38 posted on 01/14/2013 3:04:57 PM PST by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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To: cripplecreek

“Ain’t no way in hell you could get me into that place.”

I see epic paintball battles.


39 posted on 01/14/2013 4:28:08 PM PST by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: cripplecreek

You better take a look at their plan first.”

...I meant that these people might actually do this. In 2000 somebody simply made off with thousands of $$. It was 10K to be a part of the millennium compound.


40 posted on 01/15/2013 5:45:39 AM PST by albie
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To: supremedoctrine

...I meant that these people might actually do this. In 2000 somebody simply made off with thousands of $$. It was 10K to be a part of the millennium compound.


41 posted on 01/15/2013 5:46:44 AM PST by albie
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