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NY Has Tentative Deal on Gun Control: AP
AP and 4NewYork (MSLSD) ^ | Jan 14, 2013 | Michael Gormley

Posted on 01/14/2013 8:43:00 AM PST by Cheerio

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To: cizinec
There is 100% chance it will be challenged in court. Let’s do this the right way and argue before the courts first, especially while they are favorable.

Yup, that is the first step. I suspect the Democrats are hoping to scare some militia folks into something violent, which they'd only use to crack down on guns further.

I agree, the left is probably going to struggle with gun bans, so liberal states will go for massive taxation on bullets and magazines.

One thing I think would be effective is for red states with good leadership to make a point of doing the opposite of the what liberal states are doing. And do this with as much media attention as possible. You are already seeing this on the taxation front. Every time California, NY or Illinois talk about raising taxes further, Texas, Louisiana, etc, should move to lower theirs. Red state governors should begin making it a point to attract good people, in addition to good businesses, to their states. So NY tries to tax magazines, VA can move to lower taxes on guns and accessories. Do this publicly with as much fanfare as possible.

41 posted on 01/14/2013 10:42:29 AM PST by Longbow1969
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42 posted on 01/14/2013 10:44:56 AM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: Cheerio
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43 posted on 01/14/2013 10:46:13 AM PST by GnL
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To: Wilum

“I refer you to the Ayn Rand reference at #24, right?”

They already have that. The obvious and only reason to register these arms is to confiscate them later.


44 posted on 01/14/2013 10:58:57 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: Cheerio

Also known ans why I will not live in New York and limit travel into said state for business or other non-pleasure activities.


45 posted on 01/14/2013 10:59:40 AM PST by matt04
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To: Cheerio
The vote also would require Cuomo to issue a "message of necessity" that would dispense with the three days of public review that bills are supposed to have under the state constitution. There was no immediate comment from Cuomo, who made these gun control provisions a keynote of his State of the State address on Wednesday.

In other words, ram it down the throats of the people of New York without any public review, directly against the state constitution.

46 posted on 01/14/2013 11:11:13 AM PST by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston

Vote tonight! Source; WGY 810 radio Albany.


47 posted on 01/14/2013 11:43:38 AM PST by Wilum (Never loaded a nuke I didn't like)
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To: Bringbackthedraft
"PS, Why not have the manufacturers produce “safer bullets”, as one of our distinguished Liberal political appointees had recommended?"

Yeah, for soldiers and other "civilians" like them, eh? Oh...the police lobby and its manufacturers have already started working on that (see Hornady, LEO-only "TAP" ammo, SSA armor piercing, others.). Word has it, that Walmart already stopped selling ammo altogether to "civilians" (as differentiated from the official, ultra-fit PT animal heroes on TV).


48 posted on 01/14/2013 11:57:02 AM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Jeff Winston

The only need for a knee-jerk reaction , among the Dems , is a jerk (Cuomo) !!
I am disturbed by all these “back room’” legislation that are in violation of transparency laws and sunshine rules.
These proposals are illegal .
Isn’t that how we got ‘Obamacare ‘ in the first place ? (You gotta pass it , to find out what’s in it! )
Just more of the same , different day , different Fuhrer !


49 posted on 01/14/2013 11:58:19 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt ("You never want a crisis to go to waste...( even if you create the crisis) "- Rahm Emanuel)
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To: Cheerio
"Other elements, pushed by Republicans, would refine a mental health law to make it easier to confine people determined to be a threat to themselves or others."

Yeah, that'll work, especially when it didn't work previously due to court intervention.

Back in the 60's, NY State was taken to court regarding approximately 3,000 individuals who had been incarcerated at Matteawan State Hospital for the Criminally Insane, all past their sentence release dates because they were deemed too dangerous to be put on the street. As an old college instructor told us, the courts decided in favor of the criminals because it wasn't against the law to be mentally ill. They were all released to the streets.

Fast forward to the mid 80's. NY State prisons are overcrowded, and an extensive construction program is undertaken to expand the number of prison beds across the state.

I started working as a Correctional Officer in 1980. At that time, there was approximately two mental hygiene units at NY State prisons. One was Greenhaven. The other was Central NY Psychiatric Center at Marcy, NY. Mentally ill inmates who were unable to be placed in general population (GP) were shipped to these units for evaluation and treatment. Then once it was deemed they could be returned to GP status, they were shipped back to their home facility. Around this same time, several of the State's psychiatric hospitals and developmental centers were closed due to budget constraints. The State decided to renovate some of those buildings, and turn them into medium security prisons. I transferred to one of those prisons in December of 1983. The mentally ill patients who had previously resided in them were turned out to the street. These psychiatric center closings continued into the early 90's, all done under the governorship of Mario Cuomo.

When I retired in 2003, the old psychiatric center-turned prison that I worked at began renovating a whole building that would be used as a mental hygiene housing unit. What I had witnessed during my years in corrections, was an unbelievable increase in mentally ill prisoners coming into the system. They can rewrite the mental hygiene laws all they want to hold people deemed dangerous, but the bottom line is, lawyers and liberal judges will eventually overturn them, and these dangerous individuals will be back on the street. It's nothing but a vicious cycle, and history is repeating itself once again.

50 posted on 01/14/2013 12:25:58 PM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: TheRhinelander
"7 bullets? What a bunch of retards."

The State Police who guard Cuomo's a$$, or any members of the State Legislature, should only be allowed to have 7 bullets between them.

51 posted on 01/14/2013 12:28:16 PM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Jeff Winston

Call your representatives. They are meeting behind closed doors and doesn’t sound like they are going to abide by the three day rule for posting a bill before voting on it!

http://assembly.state.ny.us/mem/

http://www.nysenate.gov/


52 posted on 01/14/2013 1:22:13 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: TheRhinelander

expect Obama to do the same after he reviews Biden’s proposal


53 posted on 01/14/2013 1:25:24 PM PST by Blue Highway
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To: TheRhinelander

expect Obama to do the same after he reviews Biden’s proposal


54 posted on 01/14/2013 1:25:44 PM PST by Blue Highway
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To: pfflier

So true.


55 posted on 01/14/2013 2:29:05 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet
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To: Longbow1969

“One thing I think would be effective is for red states with good leadership to make a point of doing the opposite of the what liberal states are doing.”

The South Carolina legislature has introduced legislation to arrest federal bureaucrats.


56 posted on 01/14/2013 4:16:23 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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