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NY Has Tentative Deal on Gun Control: AP
AP and 4NewYork (MSLSD) ^ | Jan 14, 2013 | Michael Gormley

Posted on 01/14/2013 8:43:00 AM PST by Cheerio

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Oh this will work just fine - only 7 bullets per magazine. /s
1 posted on 01/14/2013 8:43:04 AM PST by Cheerio
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To: Cheerio

And register all “assault rifles”


2 posted on 01/14/2013 8:45:49 AM PST by Wilum (Never loaded a nuke I didn't like)
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To: Cheerio

7 bullets? What a bunch of retards.


3 posted on 01/14/2013 8:49:46 AM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: Cheerio

This is pretty much as stupid as I thought it would be.

NY is practically a police state.

Obama will propose similar measures.


4 posted on 01/14/2013 8:50:41 AM PST by Noamie
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To: Cheerio

Well, Hell!

My garden nozzle is Automatic. Continues to spray while I hold the ‘trigger’ down.

And I purchased them at yard sales - no paper trail.

Maybe I should bury a few.


5 posted on 01/14/2013 8:52:11 AM PST by Scrambler Bob ( Concerning bo -- that refers to the president. If I capitalize it, I mean the dog.)
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To: Cheerio

Legislation based on emotion and steamrolled through soon after a tragedy is always works out well. Why not restrict cars to 25 miles an hour because someone without a license drives drunk and kills a bunch of people?


6 posted on 01/14/2013 8:58:33 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: Cheerio

Just another NYS law on the books for law abiding citizens to obey. The criminal element have their own rules to follow and need not even be concerned over another law being added to the books. All the NYS laws have already shown how well they have deterred shootings. They continue to use Liberal Logic to all their problems. 7 round magazines? So 4 mags = 28 rounds or how many guns can you carry and have 7 rounds in each? AGRRRRRRRRR.


7 posted on 01/14/2013 9:01:08 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft (Who we elect is not as important as who they bring in with them.)
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To: Cheerio
I'm sure the criminals will be in lockstep with this decision and comply freely.

I remind myself who voted for these idiots and refuse to vote them out.
let them all rot in the crap, on the bed they've made.

8 posted on 01/14/2013 9:01:08 AM PST by MaxMax (Gun free zones was the invitation to gun bans by the left, at any cost)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

When the federales failed to bust Bloomberg for gun running all was lost in New York.


9 posted on 01/14/2013 9:01:17 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Cheerio

The best part of being from NY is moving far, far, away so you can read about the lunacy, the regulations, the taxes, the never ending liberal brain damage... a laugh.


10 posted on 01/14/2013 9:01:42 AM PST by Made In The USA (I'm not yelling, just... just talking enthusiastically..)
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To: Cheerio
The United States Citizens KNOW that they're going to have to fight TYRANTS in their own government.
You cannot protect life, without the ability to take life.

While you are WAITING for the police to respond, someone could be losing their life.
All people of a responsible age should be armed.

As EternalVigilance reminded us:

Click here to read the 12 page pamphlet.


Let us NEVER FORGET THAT !

Let's subjugate them to OUR end game, DUST!
"COMPROMISE" is a DIRTY word!
People who study the Bible know that COMPROMISE almost always leads to destruction.


It's time to mock the "Gun Control" Zombies!
"Gun Control" is a firm grip, steady breathing, accurate aim (developed by lots of practice), and a slow trigger pull.


The Swiss have got it CORRECT !
We need to learn from the Swiss and implement their "gun control measures" here in the United States right now, today!
These laws are the ones we should shove into the "2nd Amendment Haters" faces.

The Swiss have got it CORRECT !
Let's adopt THEIR LAWS !

Remember: Read Second Amendment: It’s Not About Hunting, IT'S ABOUT TYRANNY .
11 posted on 01/14/2013 9:02:11 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

PS, Why not have the manufacturers produce “safer bullets”, as one of our distinguished Liberal political appointees had recommended?


12 posted on 01/14/2013 9:04:42 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft (Who we elect is not as important as who they bring in with them.)
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To: Cheerio
New Yorkers live in the northeast equivalent of kalifornia. In both places reality is defined by politicians who think they know what is best for everybody and their constituents just continue to let them do it.

Get a New Yorker (my relatives) into Arizona or New Mexico and they are amazed at:

1) The lack of people

2) Two hours driving time between destinations

3) The open lands

4) The lack of public transportation

5) The fact they can't order takeout

6) Everybody they meet is friendly

7) Places are closed after 8 PM and on Sunday

8) You can get a large soft drink and salt on your fries at Dairy Queen.

And yet, they think we are too "rustic" and don't know the good life.

13 posted on 01/14/2013 9:09:26 AM PST by pfflier
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To: Cheerio
New Yorkers live in the northeast equivalent of kalifornia. In both places reality is defined by politicians who think they know what is best for everybody and their constituents just continue to let them do it.

Get a New Yorker (my relatives) into Arizona or New Mexico and they are amazed at:

1) The lack of people

2) Two hours driving time between destinations

3) The open lands

4) The lack of public transportation

5) The fact they can't order takeout

6) Everybody they meet is friendly

7) Places are closed after 8 PM and on Sunday

8) You can get a large soft drink and salt on your fries at Dairy Queen.

And yet, they think we are too "rustic" and don't know the good life.

14 posted on 01/14/2013 9:11:30 AM PST by pfflier
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To: Cheerio

I feel safer already...


15 posted on 01/14/2013 9:12:14 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Any law that restricts access to firearms and components is doomed for failure. It is designed that way. Since the law is virtually unenforceable the statist will enact even more restrictions until everyone is a criminal. Once we are all criminals we will have no other choice but to submit or be disposed of.

There is plenty of room in those unused FEMA camps

See you in the bread line!


16 posted on 01/14/2013 9:12:32 AM PST by PJammers (I can't help it... It's my idiom!)
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To: Cheerio

It will be interesting to see if NYers continue bearing the burden or revolt....lets stay tuned and see what happens.


17 posted on 01/14/2013 9:13:21 AM PST by 556x45
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Next they will limit the number of 7-round clips that one can carry. Once we are all limited to 1-2 7-round clips, then we will all be safe, because THEN those who are bent on mass-murder will CERTAINLY be stopped in their tracks by these paper laws!!


18 posted on 01/14/2013 9:15:34 AM PST by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: pfflier

This says more or less the same as you: http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2013/01/who-are-real-dummies-rednecks-or-libsn.html


19 posted on 01/14/2013 9:17:33 AM PST by Ancesthntr (Banning guns to prevent crime is like banning cars to prevent drunk driving.)
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To: Yosemitest

Excellent post - Thank you!


20 posted on 01/14/2013 9:19:24 AM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: Cheerio

My wife and I have been considering moving to a red state for a while. My aging parents in NJ have made this decision extremely difficult. This new gun control stuff is pushing us to start making more concrete plans. I don’t want my children to grow up in a police state that puts the worst behavior on a pedestal and simultaneously abrogates every personal freedom (except who you have sex with).


21 posted on 01/14/2013 9:20:20 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: Wilum

They are actually considering confiscating legally purchased private property.

No wonder they are meeting behind closed doors!


22 posted on 01/14/2013 9:20:29 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: Wilum

Since none of the rifles and handguns they want to ban are real assault weapons then there is nothing to register.

My guns might look like their military counterparts, but they don’t function the same. A semi-auto military styled rifle is not an assault weapon so it’s not going to be registered.


23 posted on 01/14/2013 9:20:29 AM PST by History Repeats (sic transit gloria mundi)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Two thoughts:

An older Sig P220, German-made, original factory mags — holds 7 rounds per mag. Wish I hadn’t traded those three pistols for solar panels last month.

Secondly, remembering this is really about CONTROL, not gun control, refer to the writings of Ayn Rand for guidance on all these ‘laws.’:

“Did you really think we want those laws observed?” said Dr. Ferris. “We want them to be broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against... We’re after power and we mean it. . . There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system, Mr. Reardon, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.”

REM: last week or so ago, Drudge had a link up about a guy arrested for videoing a police action — and some odd HEALTHCARE law had the language in it enabling the police to charge the guy. (I never followed the link)


24 posted on 01/14/2013 9:21:14 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: TheRhinelander

expect Obama to do the same after he reviews Biden’s proposal


25 posted on 01/14/2013 9:21:46 AM PST by Blue Highway
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To: Cheerio

Here’s a question: is the ban on mags > 7 rounds only for those acquired after a certain date (i.e. with grandfathering), or is it an actual ban like NJ’s ban on > 15 rounds?

Either way, unconstitutional - and I would disobey if I had the great misfortune of living in that tyranny.

Funny thing is, when I used to live in NJ and wanted to mail-order >15 round mags, I had them sent to my place of work in NYC! :>) Yeah, I fractured a law or 2 - and don’t give a damn. Laws and proposals like this demonstrate the utter illigitimacy of government nowadays. http://bastionofliberty.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-death-of-legitimacy.html


26 posted on 01/14/2013 9:25:46 AM PST by Ancesthntr (Banning guns to prevent crime is like banning cars to prevent drunk driving.)
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To: Cheerio

New Yawkers better hope they aren’t attacked by more than one person, better hope ever shot is true, and forget firing a warning shot in case you have a heart to allow a perp a chance to run.


27 posted on 01/14/2013 9:26:51 AM PST by crosshairs (They are only assault weapons in the hands of tyrannical governments and criminals. Ban both.)
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NY Has Tentative Deal on Gun Control: AP

Alternate headline: Criminals in New York celebrate in anticipation of their empowerment over the people.

28 posted on 01/14/2013 9:39:14 AM PST by StaffiT (Obama is the name - Downgrading the country is his Game)
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To: Cheerio

I haven’t seen anything in this thread on this part of the NBC article on this purported deal:

“Other elements, pushed by Republicans, would refine a mental health law that allows for civil confinement of people determined to be a threat to others.”

Gee, guess who gets to say who is “determined to be a threat to others”? Sounds a lot like the old USSR if you ask me. I’d treat the government with as much respect as that of the old USSR - which is to say I’d break the law every chance I got where I think that I could get away with it. Government is breaking, and has been breaking the social contract for a long time, and as such the people have no moral obligation to continue to abide by it. Only force majeure keeps me obeying the law now.


29 posted on 01/14/2013 9:39:14 AM PST by Ancesthntr (Banning guns to prevent crime is like banning cars to prevent drunk driving.)
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To: crosshairs

Wonder how they are going to deal with the Indian Reservations in upstate NY that straddles between US and Canada? Many of the Indians own AR-15’s with big mags. NY State Troopers want to venture onto Indian land. It would be ironic if a Dem gov triggers the first American Indian War in the 21st Century US.


30 posted on 01/14/2013 9:41:31 AM PST by Fee
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To: 556x45
It will be interesting to see if NYers continue bearing the burden or revolt....lets stay tuned and see what happens.

There is no chance of revolt in NY. Absolutely none.

31 posted on 01/14/2013 9:42:06 AM PST by Longbow1969
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Politicians can certainly make my life hell, but they will never succeed at mandating how many rounds I can take to a gunfight to save my life or the lives of my loved ones.

Not one of those worthless bastards will be present should I ever need to save my life or the lives of those I love.

They can all burn in hell for all I care.


32 posted on 01/14/2013 9:43:38 AM PST by Gator113
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To: Wilum

And registering “assault weapons” will reduce crime how?


33 posted on 01/14/2013 9:45:07 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The only thing that Hollywood gets right about guns is that criminals will always get them.)
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No wonder they are meeting behind closed doors!

Maybe the citizens should start meeting behind closed doors!

34 posted on 01/14/2013 9:45:42 AM PST by Wilum (Never loaded a nuke I didn't like)
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I thought the problem was solved because NY already restricts magazines to 10 rounds. I guess they are admitting that law is a failure. How long before they decide that 7 rounds is too many?


35 posted on 01/14/2013 9:48:36 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: Wilum

“And register all “assault rifles””

For what purpose I wonder?


36 posted on 01/14/2013 9:50:07 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: Cheerio

Depending on how it’s worded, this would ban Garands.

That said, it would probably violate the Heller decision. The “in common use” test from Miller was used. Open a police cruiser trunk and what do you find? Common use test passed.

Everyone else is dreading the laws. Why? By all means, pass them now while the courts are sympathetic to our challenges.


37 posted on 01/14/2013 9:53:19 AM PST by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: Brooklyn Attitude; Blood of Tyrants

I refer you to the Ayn Rand reference at #24, right?


38 posted on 01/14/2013 10:07:12 AM PST by Wilum (Never loaded a nuke I didn't like)
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To: Cheerio

The goal is to get the number of cartridges down to zero. Just a few more steps to go.


39 posted on 01/14/2013 10:08:11 AM PST by jim_trent
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To: Longbow1969

There is 100% chance it will be challenged in court. Let’s do this the right way and argue before the courts first, especially while they are favorable.

In Gonzales the Supremes ruled the local police do not have a Constitutional obligation to protect the people. Therefore, in Heller they ruled that the people have the right to use tools “in common use for lawful purposes” (from Miller) to protect themselves. In McDonald, they ruled this applies to state laws.

What do local PDs use? What about federal law enforcement? Well, they won’t use things that are for unlawful purposes (supposedly) and they commonly use them. Any magazine ban (or “clip,” as the tards say) will meet a stiff challenge unless the police are willing to ban it from themselves, which I find highly unlikely.

The real threat are taxes on these items. $200 per mag plus registration plus $200 per round . . . it would be the end. However, that is not the question for New Yorkers right now. It may be for us come tomorrow, but not for this particular ban.


40 posted on 01/14/2013 10:10:49 AM PST by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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There is 100% chance it will be challenged in court. Let’s do this the right way and argue before the courts first, especially while they are favorable.

Yup, that is the first step. I suspect the Democrats are hoping to scare some militia folks into something violent, which they'd only use to crack down on guns further.

I agree, the left is probably going to struggle with gun bans, so liberal states will go for massive taxation on bullets and magazines.

One thing I think would be effective is for red states with good leadership to make a point of doing the opposite of the what liberal states are doing. And do this with as much media attention as possible. You are already seeing this on the taxation front. Every time California, NY or Illinois talk about raising taxes further, Texas, Louisiana, etc, should move to lower theirs. Red state governors should begin making it a point to attract good people, in addition to good businesses, to their states. So NY tries to tax magazines, VA can move to lower taxes on guns and accessories. Do this publicly with as much fanfare as possible.

41 posted on 01/14/2013 10:42:29 AM PST by Longbow1969
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42 posted on 01/14/2013 10:44:56 AM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: Cheerio
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43 posted on 01/14/2013 10:46:13 AM PST by GnL
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“I refer you to the Ayn Rand reference at #24, right?”

They already have that. The obvious and only reason to register these arms is to confiscate them later.


44 posted on 01/14/2013 10:58:57 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: Cheerio

Also known ans why I will not live in New York and limit travel into said state for business or other non-pleasure activities.


45 posted on 01/14/2013 10:59:40 AM PST by matt04
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To: Cheerio
The vote also would require Cuomo to issue a "message of necessity" that would dispense with the three days of public review that bills are supposed to have under the state constitution. There was no immediate comment from Cuomo, who made these gun control provisions a keynote of his State of the State address on Wednesday.

In other words, ram it down the throats of the people of New York without any public review, directly against the state constitution.

46 posted on 01/14/2013 11:11:13 AM PST by Jeff Winston
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Vote tonight! Source; WGY 810 radio Albany.


47 posted on 01/14/2013 11:43:38 AM PST by Wilum (Never loaded a nuke I didn't like)
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"PS, Why not have the manufacturers produce “safer bullets”, as one of our distinguished Liberal political appointees had recommended?"

Yeah, for soldiers and other "civilians" like them, eh? Oh...the police lobby and its manufacturers have already started working on that (see Hornady, LEO-only "TAP" ammo, SSA armor piercing, others.). Word has it, that Walmart already stopped selling ammo altogether to "civilians" (as differentiated from the official, ultra-fit PT animal heroes on TV).


48 posted on 01/14/2013 11:57:02 AM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Jeff Winston

The only need for a knee-jerk reaction , among the Dems , is a jerk (Cuomo) !!
I am disturbed by all these “back room’” legislation that are in violation of transparency laws and sunshine rules.
These proposals are illegal .
Isn’t that how we got ‘Obamacare ‘ in the first place ? (You gotta pass it , to find out what’s in it! )
Just more of the same , different day , different Fuhrer !


49 posted on 01/14/2013 11:58:19 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt ("You never want a crisis to go to waste...( even if you create the crisis) "- Rahm Emanuel)
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"Other elements, pushed by Republicans, would refine a mental health law to make it easier to confine people determined to be a threat to themselves or others."

Yeah, that'll work, especially when it didn't work previously due to court intervention.

Back in the 60's, NY State was taken to court regarding approximately 3,000 individuals who had been incarcerated at Matteawan State Hospital for the Criminally Insane, all past their sentence release dates because they were deemed too dangerous to be put on the street. As an old college instructor told us, the courts decided in favor of the criminals because it wasn't against the law to be mentally ill. They were all released to the streets.

Fast forward to the mid 80's. NY State prisons are overcrowded, and an extensive construction program is undertaken to expand the number of prison beds across the state.

I started working as a Correctional Officer in 1980. At that time, there was approximately two mental hygiene units at NY State prisons. One was Greenhaven. The other was Central NY Psychiatric Center at Marcy, NY. Mentally ill inmates who were unable to be placed in general population (GP) were shipped to these units for evaluation and treatment. Then once it was deemed they could be returned to GP status, they were shipped back to their home facility. Around this same time, several of the State's psychiatric hospitals and developmental centers were closed due to budget constraints. The State decided to renovate some of those buildings, and turn them into medium security prisons. I transferred to one of those prisons in December of 1983. The mentally ill patients who had previously resided in them were turned out to the street. These psychiatric center closings continued into the early 90's, all done under the governorship of Mario Cuomo.

When I retired in 2003, the old psychiatric center-turned prison that I worked at began renovating a whole building that would be used as a mental hygiene housing unit. What I had witnessed during my years in corrections, was an unbelievable increase in mentally ill prisoners coming into the system. They can rewrite the mental hygiene laws all they want to hold people deemed dangerous, but the bottom line is, lawyers and liberal judges will eventually overturn them, and these dangerous individuals will be back on the street. It's nothing but a vicious cycle, and history is repeating itself once again.

50 posted on 01/14/2013 12:25:58 PM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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