Skip to comments.NY Has Tentative Deal on Gun Control: AP
Posted on 01/14/2013 8:43:00 AM PST by Cheerio
People familiar with the internal negotiations say Gov. Andrew Cuomo and legislative leaders have a tentative deal to enact the nation's first gun control measure following the Newtown, Conn., school shooting.
(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnewyork.com ...
My wife and I have been considering moving to a red state for a while. My aging parents in NJ have made this decision extremely difficult. This new gun control stuff is pushing us to start making more concrete plans. I don’t want my children to grow up in a police state that puts the worst behavior on a pedestal and simultaneously abrogates every personal freedom (except who you have sex with).
They are actually considering confiscating legally purchased private property.
No wonder they are meeting behind closed doors!
Since none of the rifles and handguns they want to ban are real assault weapons then there is nothing to register.
My guns might look like their military counterparts, but they don’t function the same. A semi-auto military styled rifle is not an assault weapon so it’s not going to be registered.
An older Sig P220, German-made, original factory mags — holds 7 rounds per mag. Wish I hadn’t traded those three pistols for solar panels last month.
Secondly, remembering this is really about CONTROL, not gun control, refer to the writings of Ayn Rand for guidance on all these ‘laws.’:
“Did you really think we want those laws observed?” said Dr. Ferris. “We want them to be broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against... We’re after power and we mean it. . . There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted and you create a nation of law-breakers and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system, Mr. Reardon, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.”
REM: last week or so ago, Drudge had a link up about a guy arrested for videoing a police action — and some odd HEALTHCARE law had the language in it enabling the police to charge the guy. (I never followed the link)
expect Obama to do the same after he reviews Biden’s proposal
Here’s a question: is the ban on mags > 7 rounds only for those acquired after a certain date (i.e. with grandfathering), or is it an actual ban like NJ’s ban on > 15 rounds?
Either way, unconstitutional - and I would disobey if I had the great misfortune of living in that tyranny.
Funny thing is, when I used to live in NJ and wanted to mail-order >15 round mags, I had them sent to my place of work in NYC! :>) Yeah, I fractured a law or 2 - and don’t give a damn. Laws and proposals like this demonstrate the utter illigitimacy of government nowadays. http://bastionofliberty.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-death-of-legitimacy.html
New Yawkers better hope they aren’t attacked by more than one person, better hope ever shot is true, and forget firing a warning shot in case you have a heart to allow a perp a chance to run.
NY Has Tentative Deal on Gun Control: AP
Alternate headline: Criminals in New York celebrate in anticipation of their empowerment over the people.
I haven’t seen anything in this thread on this part of the NBC article on this purported deal:
“Other elements, pushed by Republicans, would refine a mental health law that allows for civil confinement of people determined to be a threat to others.”
Gee, guess who gets to say who is “determined to be a threat to others”? Sounds a lot like the old USSR if you ask me. I’d treat the government with as much respect as that of the old USSR - which is to say I’d break the law every chance I got where I think that I could get away with it. Government is breaking, and has been breaking the social contract for a long time, and as such the people have no moral obligation to continue to abide by it. Only force majeure keeps me obeying the law now.
Wonder how they are going to deal with the Indian Reservations in upstate NY that straddles between US and Canada? Many of the Indians own AR-15’s with big mags. NY State Troopers want to venture onto Indian land. It would be ironic if a Dem gov triggers the first American Indian War in the 21st Century US.
There is no chance of revolt in NY. Absolutely none.
Politicians can certainly make my life hell, but they will never succeed at mandating how many rounds I can take to a gunfight to save my life or the lives of my loved ones.
Not one of those worthless bastards will be present should I ever need to save my life or the lives of those I love.
They can all burn in hell for all I care.
And registering “assault weapons” will reduce crime how?
Maybe the citizens should start meeting behind closed doors!
I thought the problem was solved because NY already restricts magazines to 10 rounds. I guess they are admitting that law is a failure. How long before they decide that 7 rounds is too many?
“And register all assault rifles”
For what purpose I wonder?
Depending on how it’s worded, this would ban Garands.
That said, it would probably violate the Heller decision. The “in common use” test from Miller was used. Open a police cruiser trunk and what do you find? Common use test passed.
Everyone else is dreading the laws. Why? By all means, pass them now while the courts are sympathetic to our challenges.
I refer you to the Ayn Rand reference at #24, right?
The goal is to get the number of cartridges down to zero. Just a few more steps to go.
There is 100% chance it will be challenged in court. Let’s do this the right way and argue before the courts first, especially while they are favorable.
In Gonzales the Supremes ruled the local police do not have a Constitutional obligation to protect the people. Therefore, in Heller they ruled that the people have the right to use tools “in common use for lawful purposes” (from Miller) to protect themselves. In McDonald, they ruled this applies to state laws.
What do local PDs use? What about federal law enforcement? Well, they won’t use things that are for unlawful purposes (supposedly) and they commonly use them. Any magazine ban (or “clip,” as the tards say) will meet a stiff challenge unless the police are willing to ban it from themselves, which I find highly unlikely.
The real threat are taxes on these items. $200 per mag plus registration plus $200 per round . . . it would be the end. However, that is not the question for New Yorkers right now. It may be for us come tomorrow, but not for this particular ban.
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