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NY Has Tentative Deal on Gun Control: AP
AP and 4NewYork (MSLSD) ^ | Jan 14, 2013 | Michael Gormley

Posted on 01/14/2013 8:43:00 AM PST by Cheerio

People familiar with the internal negotiations say Gov. Andrew Cuomo and legislative leaders have a tentative deal to enact the nation's first gun control measure following the Newtown, Conn., school shooting.

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnewyork.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: banglist; civilconfinement; cuomo; democrats; govtabuse; guncontrol; guns; gunsmentalhealth; liberals; mentalhealth; nazistate; newyork; nyguncontrol; policestate; progressives; sandyhookpolitics; secondamendment; tyranny
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To: Cheerio

My wife and I have been considering moving to a red state for a while. My aging parents in NJ have made this decision extremely difficult. This new gun control stuff is pushing us to start making more concrete plans. I don’t want my children to grow up in a police state that puts the worst behavior on a pedestal and simultaneously abrogates every personal freedom (except who you have sex with).


21 posted on 01/14/2013 9:20:20 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: Wilum

They are actually considering confiscating legally purchased private property.

No wonder they are meeting behind closed doors!


22 posted on 01/14/2013 9:20:29 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: Wilum

Since none of the rifles and handguns they want to ban are real assault weapons then there is nothing to register.

My guns might look like their military counterparts, but they don’t function the same. A semi-auto military styled rifle is not an assault weapon so it’s not going to be registered.


23 posted on 01/14/2013 9:20:29 AM PST by History Repeats (sic transit gloria mundi)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Two thoughts:

An older Sig P220, German-made, original factory mags — holds 7 rounds per mag. Wish I hadn’t traded those three pistols for solar panels last month.

Secondly, remembering this is really about CONTROL, not gun control, refer to the writings of Ayn Rand for guidance on all these ‘laws.’:

“Did you really think we want those laws observed?” said Dr. Ferris. “We want them to be broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against... We’re after power and we mean it. . . There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system, Mr. Reardon, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.”

REM: last week or so ago, Drudge had a link up about a guy arrested for videoing a police action — and some odd HEALTHCARE law had the language in it enabling the police to charge the guy. (I never followed the link)


24 posted on 01/14/2013 9:21:14 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: TheRhinelander

expect Obama to do the same after he reviews Biden’s proposal


25 posted on 01/14/2013 9:21:46 AM PST by Blue Highway
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To: Cheerio

Here’s a question: is the ban on mags > 7 rounds only for those acquired after a certain date (i.e. with grandfathering), or is it an actual ban like NJ’s ban on > 15 rounds?

Either way, unconstitutional - and I would disobey if I had the great misfortune of living in that tyranny.

Funny thing is, when I used to live in NJ and wanted to mail-order >15 round mags, I had them sent to my place of work in NYC! :>) Yeah, I fractured a law or 2 - and don’t give a damn. Laws and proposals like this demonstrate the utter illigitimacy of government nowadays. http://bastionofliberty.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-death-of-legitimacy.html


26 posted on 01/14/2013 9:25:46 AM PST by Ancesthntr (Banning guns to prevent crime is like banning cars to prevent drunk driving.)
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To: Cheerio

New Yawkers better hope they aren’t attacked by more than one person, better hope ever shot is true, and forget firing a warning shot in case you have a heart to allow a perp a chance to run.


27 posted on 01/14/2013 9:26:51 AM PST by crosshairs (They are only assault weapons in the hands of tyrannical governments and criminals. Ban both.)
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To: Cheerio
NY Has Tentative Deal on Gun Control: AP

Alternate headline: Criminals in New York celebrate in anticipation of their empowerment over the people.

28 posted on 01/14/2013 9:39:14 AM PST by StaffiT (Obama is the name - Downgrading the country is his Game)
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To: Cheerio

I haven’t seen anything in this thread on this part of the NBC article on this purported deal:

“Other elements, pushed by Republicans, would refine a mental health law that allows for civil confinement of people determined to be a threat to others.”

Gee, guess who gets to say who is “determined to be a threat to others”? Sounds a lot like the old USSR if you ask me. I’d treat the government with as much respect as that of the old USSR - which is to say I’d break the law every chance I got where I think that I could get away with it. Government is breaking, and has been breaking the social contract for a long time, and as such the people have no moral obligation to continue to abide by it. Only force majeure keeps me obeying the law now.


29 posted on 01/14/2013 9:39:14 AM PST by Ancesthntr (Banning guns to prevent crime is like banning cars to prevent drunk driving.)
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To: crosshairs

Wonder how they are going to deal with the Indian Reservations in upstate NY that straddles between US and Canada? Many of the Indians own AR-15’s with big mags. NY State Troopers want to venture onto Indian land. It would be ironic if a Dem gov triggers the first American Indian War in the 21st Century US.


30 posted on 01/14/2013 9:41:31 AM PST by Fee
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To: 556x45
It will be interesting to see if NYers continue bearing the burden or revolt....lets stay tuned and see what happens.

There is no chance of revolt in NY. Absolutely none.

31 posted on 01/14/2013 9:42:06 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Cheerio

Politicians can certainly make my life hell, but they will never succeed at mandating how many rounds I can take to a gunfight to save my life or the lives of my loved ones.

Not one of those worthless bastards will be present should I ever need to save my life or the lives of those I love.

They can all burn in hell for all I care.


32 posted on 01/14/2013 9:43:38 AM PST by Gator113
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To: Wilum

And registering “assault weapons” will reduce crime how?


33 posted on 01/14/2013 9:45:07 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The only thing that Hollywood gets right about guns is that criminals will always get them.)
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To: FR_addict
No wonder they are meeting behind closed doors!

Maybe the citizens should start meeting behind closed doors!

34 posted on 01/14/2013 9:45:42 AM PST by Wilum (Never loaded a nuke I didn't like)
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To: Cheerio

I thought the problem was solved because NY already restricts magazines to 10 rounds. I guess they are admitting that law is a failure. How long before they decide that 7 rounds is too many?


35 posted on 01/14/2013 9:48:36 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: Wilum

“And register all “assault rifles””

For what purpose I wonder?


36 posted on 01/14/2013 9:50:07 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: Cheerio

Depending on how it’s worded, this would ban Garands.

That said, it would probably violate the Heller decision. The “in common use” test from Miller was used. Open a police cruiser trunk and what do you find? Common use test passed.

Everyone else is dreading the laws. Why? By all means, pass them now while the courts are sympathetic to our challenges.


37 posted on 01/14/2013 9:53:19 AM PST by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: Brooklyn Attitude; Blood of Tyrants

I refer you to the Ayn Rand reference at #24, right?


38 posted on 01/14/2013 10:07:12 AM PST by Wilum (Never loaded a nuke I didn't like)
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To: Cheerio

The goal is to get the number of cartridges down to zero. Just a few more steps to go.


39 posted on 01/14/2013 10:08:11 AM PST by jim_trent
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To: Longbow1969

There is 100% chance it will be challenged in court. Let’s do this the right way and argue before the courts first, especially while they are favorable.

In Gonzales the Supremes ruled the local police do not have a Constitutional obligation to protect the people. Therefore, in Heller they ruled that the people have the right to use tools “in common use for lawful purposes” (from Miller) to protect themselves. In McDonald, they ruled this applies to state laws.

What do local PDs use? What about federal law enforcement? Well, they won’t use things that are for unlawful purposes (supposedly) and they commonly use them. Any magazine ban (or “clip,” as the tards say) will meet a stiff challenge unless the police are willing to ban it from themselves, which I find highly unlikely.

The real threat are taxes on these items. $200 per mag plus registration plus $200 per round . . . it would be the end. However, that is not the question for New Yorkers right now. It may be for us come tomorrow, but not for this particular ban.


40 posted on 01/14/2013 10:10:49 AM PST by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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