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Obama Will Seek Citizenship Path in One Fast Push (for most illegal aliens)
The New York Times ^ | Saturday, January 13, 2013 | JUlia Preston

Posted on 01/12/2013 6:40:30 PM PST by kristinn

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To: kristinn

[[Obama Will Seek Citizenship Path in One Fast Push ]]

You mean He’s not a citizen?


51 posted on 01/12/2013 11:03:47 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

So Pancho gets his green card and shows up to work at the contractor where he has been laying brick for 5 years for $8 and hour. He tells his boss,Jose, that he now is legal and wants $12 and hour and to get bene’s. Jose tells him to get lost because he has a new guy coming from TJ who will work for $8.


52 posted on 01/12/2013 11:05:47 PM PST by Oldexpat
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53 posted on 01/12/2013 11:14:37 PM PST by HiJinx (The New Year is here; to all Men Good Cheer. (Last one out, turn out the lights.))
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54 posted on 01/12/2013 11:14:57 PM PST by HiJinx (The New Year is here; to all Men Good Cheer. (Last one out, turn out the lights.))
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55 posted on 01/12/2013 11:15:57 PM PST by HiJinx (The New Year is here; to all Men Good Cheer. (Last one out, turn out the lights.))
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To: kristinn

http://tinyurl.com/bb9r6kv

Rep. Luis Gutierrez: Met with Sen. Marco Rubio, Rep. Paul Ryan on immigration reform
By Lynn Sweet on December 26, 2012 10:56 AM | No Comments

WASHINGTON — Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.) is quietly building bridges with two key Republicans who may run for president in 2016 — Sen. Marco Rubio and Rep. Paul Ryan — to forge bipartisan immigration reform legislation.

While Congress is consumed with highly partisan fiscal cliff negotiations — and with the ever-polarizing gun control debate revived in the wake of the Sandy Hook school massacre — immigration issues have dropped back for now. But after the new Congress convenes in January, that’s expected to change.

I’ve learned that Gutierrez met Thursday with Rubio, the Florida Republican — and son of Cuban immigrants — in his Senate office here. On Dec. 12, Gutierrez huddled with Ryan — the Wisconsin Republican who was Mitt Romney’s vice presidential running mate — at his House office.

“What we did was just kind of catch up,” Gutierrez told me. Ryan and Gutierrez decided they want to “explore opportunities to work together.” Gutierrez, one of the House leaders on immigration issues — who has kept constant pressure on President Barack Obama to do more — is crossing the aisle as Republicans need very much to woo the fast growing number of Hispanic voters — who in large part rejected the Romney/Ryan ticket.

After the election, Gutierrez saw Ryan at the House gym and suggested they get together. Gutierrez did not pump iron with Ryan, who has an intense workout regime. “I was going to the less physical, less ardous workout,” Gutierrez told me.

Despite campaigning against Ryan, Gutierrez has a personal relationship with him and when it comes to immigration, Gutierrez says Ryan “wants to do the right thing.”

That Romney talked about “self-deportation” — and Ryan was part of that ticket — is not an issue for Gutierrez.

Not well known, Gutierrez noted, is that he and Ryan share some history: In 2005, Ryan was a co-sponsor of bipartisan and bi-cameral comprehensive immigration reform legislation carried in the House by Gutierrez and Rep. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.). “It wasn’t like it was a long line of Republicans supporting it. He’s always supported immigration reform,” Gutierrez said.

The measure was sponsored in the Senate by Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and the late Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.). That was the last time lawmakers crossed the aisle to work meaningfully together on immigration reform — and that mighty effort failed.

Ryan’s spokesman, Kevin Selfert, told me Ryan has worked with Gutierrez “in the past to develop bipartisan solutions that would address our broken immigration system. Among the topics discussed during their meeting was how best to build on these past efforts in the 113th Congress.”

Gutierrez declined to provide details on the Ryan and Rubio meetings.

“I had a good meeting with Sen. Rubio and I look forward to talking to him against early and often in the New Year. As I have said, he can play a very important role on the immigration issue and will help the Republican Party address the immigration issue in a productive way, in a way that resonates both with Latinos and the rest of America,” Gutierrez said.

Alex Conant, Rubio’s spokesman confirmed but declined to elaborate on the private meeting. Rubio is deeply engaged in immigration issues and “he really wants to be part of the solution here,” Conant said. Besides meeting with Gutierrez , Rubio has also talked with Ryan about immigration issues.

FOOTNOTE: Gutierrez — who stumped for Obama and spoke at the Democratic National Convention — is concerned that Obama has not met with the Congressional Hispanic Caucus since May 2011.

While Obama last June issued a much welcomed executive order allowing many youths in the U.S. illegally through no fault of their own to stay here — Gutierrez is speaking out as many of their parents are being deported under the Obama administration. Rubio — who was working on his own immigration proposals — was “disappointed” that the Obama White House did not “seek out his advice” before issuing that executive order, Conant said.


56 posted on 01/12/2013 11:36:25 PM PST by Pelham (Betrayal, it's not just for Democrats anymore.)
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To: Jane Long

Unfortunately, I am unable to find America in end-times Bible Prophecy. I think we are seeing why. The nation is turning into Sodom and Gomorrah at the hands of the Democrats, mostly. Where is the fine country I grew up in? It seems it does not exist anymore, except in spots here and there.


57 posted on 01/13/2013 12:05:54 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: kristinn
I'm done urging my republican representatives in congress to vote a certain way, I now demand it.

If any republicans vote to legalize illegals in any shape, manner or form the party of Lincoln is done and so is America as we know it.

obimbo'z mission will be complete.

58 posted on 01/13/2013 2:05:28 AM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: kristinn
I'm done urging my republican representatives in congress to vote a certain way, I now demand it.

If any republicans vote to legalize illegals in any shape, manner or form the party of Lincoln is done and so is America as we know it.

obimbo'z mission will be complete.

59 posted on 01/13/2013 2:07:22 AM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: kristinn
Will Obama seek citizenship for himself?


The Arab-Kenyan Barack Hussein Obama II, (a.k.a. Barry Soetoro), ( the one guilty of TREASON ! ) has NO legitimate Social Security Number.
His father was NOT an immigrant to the United States. Barack Obama Sr. was a "Transient Alien" because he did NOT intend on residing in the United States permanently.
Barack Obama Sr. was a dual citizen of Great Britain and Kenya, and NEVER a United States Citizen.His mother could NOT impart U.S. citizen to her son, Barack Obama II, because she did NOT meet the legal requirements to do so,
at the time her son was born IN the Coast Provincial General Hospital, MOMBASA, KENYA at 7:21 pm on August 4, 1961.
Democrats knew this and tried to eliminate the "Natural Born Citizen" requirement at least 8 times BEFORE Obama won his election in 2008.

Obama is NOT a United States Citizen, and is NOT a LEGAL IMMIGRANT.
He has no VISA allowing him into this country.
Barack Hussein Obama II IS ILLEGAL !
He should be IMPEACHED IMMEDIATELY, tried for TREASON, SENTENCED to death, and then have his body deported back to Kenya.
60 posted on 01/13/2013 2:13:11 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: kristinn

“11 million illegal immigrants in the country”

LOLOLOLOL............ Try 25 to 30 million. Conservatively. Plus the rush of several million more once this insanity is official.


61 posted on 01/13/2013 3:53:24 AM PST by Abiotic (The ship of democracy, which has weathered all storms, may sink through the mutiny of those on board)
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To: Abiotic
Plus the rush of several million 10s of millions more once this insanity is official.

Sorry FRiend, it needed a minor correction.

62 posted on 01/13/2013 4:43:45 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: kristinn

As our Lord and Savior Jesus said, as He hung on that cross ... “Lord, it is done”


63 posted on 01/13/2013 4:45:50 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: kristinn
Funny thing is... he has pushed too far and too fast and he has no mandate and he has created an atmosphere where even rats hate their power being usurped... not all mind you... some worship satan's son... but maybe enough to help the republicans with balls block him. That... or some of our States will secede... and that is not an idle threat.

LLS

64 posted on 01/13/2013 4:47:27 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: kristinn

He wants to be on Mt. Rushmore.......


65 posted on 01/13/2013 4:51:26 AM PST by patriotspride
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To: sickoflibs; Grampa Dave; GOPJ; thouworm; Tennessee Nana; kristinn; Liz; AuntB; ...
Repubs had better get on the stick----legislation should be amended to deny citizenship:

(1) to illegals who bought forged/faked multiple identities;

(2) to illegals who fraudulently voted in American elections;

(3) to illegals cashing US govt checks;

(4) to all illegals convicted of crimes;

(5) to illegals w/ fraudulent drivers' licenses......

(6) to illegals undermining the US ecocomy by sending money back to their homelands;

(7) to illegals affiliated with latino organizations undermining US ntl security;

(8) to illegals connected to the hatemongering "La Raza" and to "Raza Studies" that advocates killing Americans.

.............and so on and so forth.

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Former Cong Allen West should write letters to his colleagues, and to the media, emphasizing the following:

(1) decrying the agitation and intimidation tactics being used by latino groups,

(2) exposing latino groups using hatemongering for personal gain,

(3) emphasizing illegalities WRT threatening the US Congress for passage of self-serving bills, and,

(4) precpitatin investigations into fraud and intimidation upon our electoral/legislative system by hatemongering groups.

66 posted on 01/13/2013 5:21:51 AM PST by Liz
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To: All
REFERENCE Illegal Immigrants and Tax Refunds / FR Posted by BenLurkin

KTLA-LOS ANGELES -- A new report reveals millions of illegal immigrants are getting billions in IRS refunds, leaving many Californians asking how, why and is it true? According to the Center for Immigration Studies, in the 2010 tax year alone, undocumented workers received over $4 billion from the US govt.

As it turns out, a valid social security number isn't needed to apply for an IRS refund. "If you don't have papers in this country and you are working, you can apply for an ITIN number and then you file taxes," Luis Salazar, of Salazar Tax Services explains."If you quality for a refund, you can get money back," Salazar says.

Since illegal immigrants can't qualify for legitimate social security numbers, back in 1996 the US Treasury introduced the Individual Tax Identification Number, or ITIN. Salazar says he sees thousands of US dollars returned to his clients who are from out of the country. "You can claim your daughter, you can claim your son, you can claim your grandfather, grandmother," he explains. "You can claim your mother, you can claim your father, you can claim nephews and nieces. Almost everybody besides cousins."

And that's how the money is banked -- all through the Additional Child Tax Credit, which grants families $1,000 per dependent. That's also where the scam can come in. The people who you claim should be living in the US with you, but Salazar says that some undocumented workers claim family members living across the border. Unscrupulous tax preparers are filing fraudulent returns getting ITIN clients thousands of dollars.

One report found an undocumented worker claimed 20 relatives as dependents under a fake address and took the government for a grand total of $29,000.

Salazar Tax Services insists that every claim they file is above the board. But they also say that not everyone chooses to be money smart over greed."I give you the option, like it's not correct, but if you want to claim it's up to you becasue you're the person in charge of your taxes because you're signing it," Salazar says.

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COMMENTS Unscrupulous tax preparers are filing fraudulent returns for illegals. One illegal claimed 20 relatives as dependents under a fake address and took the US govt for a grand total of $29,000 (and that's just under a single identity). Salazar Tax Services insists that every claim they file is above board. "I give you the option, like it's not correct, but if you want to claim it's up to you because you're the person in charge of your taxes because you're signing it," Salazar says.

Luis Salazar---and all his clients filing fraudulent returns----need to be nailed in connection with this scam. Luis Salazar of Salazar Tax Services insists that every claim his firm files is above board. "I give you the option, like it's not correct, but if you want to claim it's up to you because you're the person in charge of your taxes because you're signing it," Salazar claims.

NOT SO FAST LUIS Every tax preparer is legally compelled to sign every IRS return, as well. If Salazar falsified the tax preparer's IRS entry---he is in legal hot water.

FBI TIPS PAGE https://tips.fbi.gov

This article also fails to mention that most illegals maintain multiple identities----and that they probably filed false claims for EITC under each identity.

67 posted on 01/13/2013 5:30:39 AM PST by Liz
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To: Liz
Honest to God, I wish it could all be verified. Truth is ... little to none of any illegalities will be verified and I truly believe you know what I just typed. Another truth always comes down the pike when invasions take place. No need to give a history lesson, for all at this site know the truth of history.
68 posted on 01/13/2013 5:33:20 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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REFERENCE The phony "just here for a better life" crowd who freely violate our borders and "do the jobs Americans won't do" have more criminal enterprises than you can shake a stick at.

<><>ICE's "documents and benefits fraud task force" found a common practice among "impoverished" illegals is to buy several faked identities for several thousand dollars each----the illegal then votes and rides the US gravy train under several names.

<><> Jose Madrigal---the Washington state rapist---had some 30 identities. And probably voted and collected US benefits under every single identity.

<><>June 26, 2010 An illegal using multiple identities was sentenced to prison and ordered to pay back $3 million in fraudulently obtained unemployment compensation. Manuel Mejia Ordonez, got eight years for conspiracy to commit mail fraud........and identity theft.

<><> Hilderberto Salinas sold state drivers' licenses issued out of the state’s Motor Vehicle Agency in NJ to illegals with multiple identities who did not have the necessary id's....among 40 people who participated in the widespread ring. "Impoverished" illegals paid $2,500 to $7,000 apiece for the licenses.

<><> July 21, 2006----NJ BERGEN RECORD---Pelcastre brothers, Angel and Jorge, Dallas, Texas, were a walking threat to US national security, expert document forgers who, for a few thousand dollars, could give anyone a new identity, NJ L/E authorities said. The Texas brothers were a "one-stop shop" for a myriad of fake US documents, including birth certificates, Social Security cards, driver's licenses----for any state in the US------ passports and resident alien cards, said state police.

The Texas brothers turned a NJ hotel room into a business office and were readying a massive cache of fake Social Security cards for delivery to a local NJ identity broker. Officers happened upon two cars bearing Texas plates in a NJ hotel parking lot. The Texas brothers were followed to a NJ office supply store nearby where they purchased computer supplies. Officers then followed the Texans to a NJ storage facility in Secaucus, NJ, where the Texans loaded several boxes into a car. One of them stood lookout.

After a search, police recovered laminating sheets with built-in security features, pages of blank documents waiting for fake names and information, finished documents, computers and software to create the fake IDs.

All told, the haul was worth about $500,000 on the street when sold to "impoverished illegals." Police also recovered $6,000 in cash, which was the first payment from a NJ fake document broker for a shipment of 500 phony Social Security cards. ####

<><> US Dept of the Treasury Says Illegal Aliens Collecting Billions in Tax Credits According to the US Dept of Treasury’s Inspector General, more than $4.2 billion in additional child credits were paid out in 2010 to illegal immigrants. In 2005, the pay outs totaled $924 million. This program allows low income earners to claim a $1,000 per child credit. $20 billion EITC is estimated to have been paid out to these cunning "impoverished" illegals. Most of them are collecting over and over again-----using multiple identities-----falsifying official apps---claiming children they do not have and/or falsely stating kids are back in their homelands.

REFERENCE March 8, 2012 KENNER, La. -- Kenner police arrested illegal Marvin Baca who sold false W-2 forms to another illegal immigrant for $1,500. Baca sold fraudulent W-2 forms for $1,500 to other Hispanics here illegally.

Police said that on one of the forged W-2 forms had a SS no of a person living in Virginia. Police said illegal Hispanics purchase fictitious W-2 forms and file false tax returns with the government to receive EITC refunds. Baca was charged with one count of ID theft and two counts of forgery.

69 posted on 01/13/2013 5:34:41 AM PST by Liz
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To: Bigtigermike

You guys are really something. We just lost a major election becasue we were not united and many of our side did not even bother to show up.I see few learned anything.


70 posted on 01/13/2013 5:43:03 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: rodguy911
Are you saying we should all rally around Rubio because he has an (R) at the end of his name?
71 posted on 01/13/2013 5:45:59 AM PST by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: kristinn
Passing legislation to give 30 million illegal immigrants (it's not 11 million, it IS 30 million) citizenship in a near-Depression economy where few real jobs exist can only mean that the administration is going to create new Democrat voters and remain permanently in power until such day as this nation is conquered or dissolves into civil war.

No words exist in the English language to describe how evil all of these actions are. How true that absolute power corrupts absolutely. The individuals behind the scenes who put this administration into power planned all of this and will answer to God for the evil they have brought upon us.

The people behind this action care nothing about the citizens living here or the new citizens they will create. All they want is a large block of slaves to think, do, live, and fight wars as they demand. We are at the brink of total loss of freedom.

72 posted on 01/13/2013 5:52:02 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: liberalh8ter
Hardly, I always vote for the most conservative candidate on the ballot.Much of the time they do have R behind their names.

What I am saying however is that once you meet Rubio, the man, hear him speak in the same room, live, and get the feel for what he is about, it's hard not not like him. His mentor Ileana ros Lehtinen was my congress person for years and Rubio is now my Senator. I'll take him any day over many others.

Of course he many not meet the FR 100 % rule. That's always a problem for you guys.

73 posted on 01/13/2013 5:59:59 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Here’s a a quote I made over at Hot Air a few moments ago giving support to your claim about 30 million.I think you are right.
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Of course the biggest con here is how many illegals are there really?
Many say 12-20 million.Truth is few know and even fewer have done any research to figure out just how many are here.

http://thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc_17_4/tsc_17_4_walsh.shtml

The above link to the “Social Contract” by James T. Walsh a brilliant immigration scholar and former govt. immigration lawyer.He asserts that the number is more like 36 million with 2 million visa overstays. Maybe a few went back home due to theobamba economy so maybe its down to only 30 million. Still a long way from the acknowledged 8-12 or 12-20 million figures commonly used.
Even worse is the multiplier effect from anchor babies. First an illegal(not one of the rocket scientists either, average intelligence of border crossers from mexico are fourth grade) comes to the us when she is 8 and 9/10 months pregnant, has here anchor baby here and who knows how many else are on the dole in no time at all.
Its all one more scary scenario about how we can lose a country without even trying in less than eight years.

rodguy911 on January 13, 2013 at 8:30 AM


74 posted on 01/13/2013 6:03:05 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: kristinn
A precedent exists for what is happening to us. The Roman empire referred to in Daniel 2 in the Bible explains it pretty well:

Daniel 2:40 "Then there will be a fourth kingdom as strong as iron; inasmuch as iron crushes and shatters all things, so, like iron that breaks in pieces, it will crush and break all these in pieces.
Daniel 2:41 "And in that you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter's clay and partly of iron, it will be a divided kingdom; but it will have in it the toughness of iron, inasmuch as you saw the iron mixed with common clay.
Daniel 2:42 "And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of pottery, so some of the kingdom will be strong and part of it will be brittle.
Daniel 2:43 "And in that you saw the iron mixed with common clay, they will combine with one another in the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, even as iron does not combine with pottery.

Hispanic and other immigrant populations, completely different value systems, marries Americans, but does not share the same ideals. It has already happened.

75 posted on 01/13/2013 6:09:47 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: rodguy911

The precedent for the numbers lie is when Reagan offered amnesty for 1 million and it turned into 3 million quickly. Or, something along those lines.


76 posted on 01/13/2013 6:11:51 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: rodguy911
The best approach, IMHO, is to preemptively propose an all-encompassing immigration reform bill first - before the democrats have a chance at their own. It should contain some provisions that are universally liked, that can be used to whip the democrats publicly if/when they oppose it, and the rest of it should make citizenship a prize that cannot be obtained illegally.

I would put in a provision that states, ‘anyone who enters the US illegally, or illegally overstays their visa by more than 1 month, is fined at a rate of $100/day for every day they are in the US illegally. Thereafter, they cannot apply for citizenship unless this fine is paid before they apply. Any tax on income earned in the US that was not paid will also be due before one can apply for citizenship. Further, any evidence of record fraud would automatically preclude citizenship, forever (if you ever used a fake SS# or any other forged documents), and any assistance in record fraud by an American citizen will result in either a $100,000.00 fine or a year in jail for that person - mandatory. This is just a start.

77 posted on 01/13/2013 6:17:21 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Wow, if we used that than think 90 million. Multiply anchor babies, relatives, etc., etc. hard to imagine where the numbers would go.

But I see what you are saying and it could well be true.

78 posted on 01/13/2013 6:19:17 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Excellent idea. If I am not mistake Rubio is working on just such a plan. I know that one of his ideas is to stop allowing so many illegals who cross the border with a fourth grade education while giving the guys with MBA’s and Doctorates, people that we really need, a super hard time about coming in legally.Hard to tell where it will all wind up.


79 posted on 01/13/2013 6:23:25 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Headline: “Obama Will Seek Citizenship Path in One Fast Push (for most illegal aliens)”....

Does that include him (illegal alien) too?
(sarc)


80 posted on 01/13/2013 6:30:44 AM PST by Progov
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To: rodguy911

No, the administration is claiming it is 10-12 million. It’s closer to three times that.


81 posted on 01/13/2013 6:44:37 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: rodguy911

The famous demographer Murdoch said the way to really tell the percentage of anyone in a population is to go to the elementary school and look at the percentages there. He was found to be correct.


82 posted on 01/13/2013 6:46:09 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: rodguy911
Rubio is what I like to call a 'nouveau' republican. He talks a good game but his votes betray his speeches. Another problem I have with Rubio is his loyalty is to his heritage, not to America. As a second generation immigrant, I don't understand it. My family came here for a better life because America was the antithesis of all that was wrong with the Country they were living in. My people were anxious and proud to assimilate and become Americans. If you read Rubio's outline for his plan, he even shortens the requirement to learning 'some' English!

I am not ready to turn my Country over to people who have no respect for its laws, its history, its people or its war veterans who fought to keep it what the founders envisioned. At this time, I feel I have no representation and wonder, why am I even paying taxes? Rubio is part of the problem! He is not my Representative but he's from my State and every time he champions the amnesty nonsense it pisses me off! <===== preposition dangling by choice.

I am not a "you guys", I am a girl and I am the proud descendant of people who came here legally and raised me as an all-American. Everyone in my family served in the military and my father came home with a Purple Heart. For what? So others can float over here and turn this place into a watered down version of their failed Socialist/Communist Country? I think not.

83 posted on 01/13/2013 6:49:26 AM PST by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: kristinn
Any legislation that legalizes the status of those who broke our laws by entering our country illegally and allows them to stay and work here is amnesty. We must not only prevent the Democrats and some moderate Republicans from hijacking the meaning of the word amnesty, but the public must be made aware about the true impact of an amnesty.

The Heritage Foundation concluded that the cost of amnesty would be $2.6 trillion just for increased entitlement program costs. And the number of additional LEGAL immigrants who would join those who were the recipients of amnesty through chain migration, i.e., family reunification, would approach 70 million over a 20-year period, assuming there are only 12 million illegal aliens. We cannot assimilate such numbers. An amnesty would destroy the United States of America with the stroke of a pen.

84 posted on 01/13/2013 7:02:35 AM PST by kabar
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To: umgud
We are increasing the ranks of the Democrats thru legal immigration.

87 percent of the 1.2 million legal immigrants entering annually are minorities as defined by the U.S. Government and almost all of the illegal aliens are minorities. By 2019 half of the children 18 and under in the U.S. will be classified as minorities and by 2042, half of the residents of this country will be minorities. Generally, immigrants and minorities vote predominantly for the Democrat Party. Hence, Democrats view immigration as a never-ending source of voters that will make them the permanent majority party.

Since the 1965 Immigration Act, our pro-population growth immigration policies have fueled major demographic changes in a very short period of time. In 1970, non-Hispanic whites comprised 89 percent of the population; today they are 66 percent; and by 2042, they will be 50 percent. The Democrats, under the banner of multiculturalism and diversity, have forged a political coalition that depends on individuals coalescing around racial and ethnic identities rather than the issues. The continuing and increasing flow of minority immigrants, mostly poor and uneducated, provides a natural constituency for the Democrats, which see them as their principal source of political power.

Immigrants and minorities vote two to one for Dems.

85 posted on 01/13/2013 7:09:26 AM PST by kabar
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To: rodguy911

Once you set a price on how self-selected immigrants can illegally enter this country and become citizens, you are no longer acting on princple. You are a whore who is just negotiating the price.


86 posted on 01/13/2013 7:15:57 AM PST by kabar
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To: liberalh8ter
I guess opinions vary.

Many Cuban/Americans hate Communism more that we ever could.

With many of their relatives living under the gun of Fidel/Raul Castro,(the castro brothers) they know first hand what its all about. For them communism is a reality that they want no part of.

Cuban immigrants fleeing Castros' communism are a Far different scenario than mexicans. A fourth grade educated 30 year old mexicon crossing the Rio Grande at night and getting on welfare a week later has little in common with the average Cuban American. two different worlds here.

87 posted on 01/13/2013 7:19:39 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: rodguy911
I am not mistake Rubio is working on just such a plan. I know that one of his ideas is to stop allowing so many illegals who cross the border with a fourth grade education while giving the guys with MBA’s and Doctorates, people that we really need, a super hard time about coming in legally. Hard to tell where it will all wind up.

We bring in 1.2 million LEGAL immigrants a year, more than the rest of the world combined when it comes to legal immigration. We also have 900,000 foreign students in our universities. Many of them who earn advanced degrees actually are allowed to stay here.

But that begs the question. In this nation of 315 million, do we need to import more people with MBAs and doctorates? We have 23 million Americans looking for fulltime employment. About 50% of college graduates cannot find jobs in their fields. Shouldn't we be doing something to produce the people we need with advanced degrees? Why do we need to import them?

88 posted on 01/13/2013 7:24:25 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar; All
In 2012, some U.S. Border Patrol agents suggest that the rate of illegal border-crossings is not down and that the figures are being massaged. Now when illegal border-crossers are caught, they are immediately sent back at the nearest port of entry—with no records maintained in cases where supervisors determine that “prosecutorial discretion” is to be exercised. Although figures don’t lie, figures can be manipulated. The number of illegal aliens entering the United States remains considerable –– contrary to what immigration advocates would have you believe. Although the draw of jobs still motivates illegal entry, a new twist has entitlements are becoming the main incentive. Illegal aliens entering the U.S. today understand that the Obama administration is reshaping social and welfare benefits to be citizenship-neutral, with no questions asked about the citizenship of applicants.

This is an update from James T. Walsh. He suggest that yearly costs for illegal aliens are over 100 billion per year and border hospitals are closing en masse. By the way kabar worked for the State Dept. for many years and his posts come with years of experience.

89 posted on 01/13/2013 7:25:22 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: kristinn

"Yippee!"

90 posted on 01/13/2013 8:16:18 AM PST by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: kristinn

This phony resident and president has already jumped the line. He’s had his birth certificate forged and he’s using the social security number belonging to dead guy from Taxachewshits.


91 posted on 01/13/2013 8:17:16 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: KantianBurke

What the hell is he laughing about?

He paved the way for Obozo the way his father paved the way for Clinton!


92 posted on 01/13/2013 8:20:53 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: kristinn
It looks like I am going to have to give a donation to "Numbers USA" .

I hate to give to lobbying groups as I feel charities like the Salavation Army can use what little I can spare, but this seems like a justifiable expense. I already donated to the NRA.

93 posted on 01/13/2013 8:32:29 AM PST by Hacksaw
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To: kabar

I am researching that question now. So far you are right as usual.


94 posted on 01/13/2013 8:38:14 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: kabar

You are correct about educating our own citizens. However, we first need to stop bringing in tons of people who have no education and no job prospects, and start controlling immigration so that immigrants are more desirable members of our society.

Also, if we are not producing enough engineers, there is nothing wrong with bringing in new citizen engineers who will pass this professional approach down for generations.

Sadly, no one is talking about any of this. It’s all glop about some wonderful lady who makes great tortillas every morning, and isn’t it great if she and her family can stay here. Our nation is sunk with a stupid approach like that.


95 posted on 01/13/2013 9:24:51 AM PST by Williams (No Obama)
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To: HiJinx

This is a sure way to harm this country. We do not need this criminals who not only break our laws but also have a sociopathic sense of entitlement.


96 posted on 01/13/2013 10:03:35 AM PST by Dante3
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To: kristinn

Now, its better to enter US in tourist visa and over stay, then one will be illegal and it will be fastest way to get Green Card and Citizenship. I hope they make it free also, because currently, it is very expensive.


97 posted on 01/13/2013 10:05:30 AM PST by jennychase
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To: JouleZ

Yep, that’s 11 million more looking for jobs or taking jobs and one need only to look at New York city to see where the rest of the country is headed. A friend of mine works in construction (and was born here)and can’t find work for s**t. Yet go to any construction site in NYC and most of the workers are Mexicans as are most who do road work and bridge repair. They hire them to keep costs down which drives the unions nuts which is why you see inflatable rats all over NYC. This is what our Despot, I mean Mayor Bloomberg supports. I’m not a fan of unions but to give jobs to people who AREN’T EVEN SUPPOSE TO BE HERE over people who were born and grew up in NYC is absolutely disgusting and borders on treason as far as I’m concerned.

http://kellyannsenyei.com/2009/03/27/the-art-of-picketing-new-emphasis-old-tactic/


98 posted on 01/13/2013 10:17:09 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools we will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
Well stated.

BTW, I received a clipping from the Des Moines Register (Jan. 12). The Latino affairs commissioners appointed by Gov. Terry Brandstad asked him th reconsider his policy barring drivers licenses from children brought to the U.S. by parents who are illegal aliens.

This is absurd. Hope Brandstad does not cave. Now the Office of Latino Affairs, a division under the state's Department of Human Rights wants to meet with the governor. Why should there even been these special concerns for Latinos when so many of native Iowans are out of work or facing foreclosures.

99 posted on 01/13/2013 10:27:34 AM PST by Dante3
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To: himno hero

The “11 million” new Obama voters will, like almost all Govt numbers be woefully incorrect. After “free Amnesty” passage of the “Dem Party In Power Forever” bill, the number of illegals will “unexpectedly” turn out to be at least 30 million...plus the bill will likely be a 2,000 pager which Congress has 3 minutes to read prior to the vote and will also bring in the illegals’ extended familie members (another 50 million).

Collapse the System....or if not, between 30 to 50 new Obama voters plus voting fraud and the Dem core voters (Liberals, welfareites, felons, dogs, cats and the dead), the USA will be a corrupt, oppresive police state dictatorship for our lifetimes.


100 posted on 01/13/2013 10:50:28 AM PST by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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