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Marco Rubio: Riding to the Immigration Rescue
WSJ ^ | Saturday Jaunary 12, 2013

Posted on 01/12/2013 10:21:38 AM PST by Bigtigermike

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To: Sarabaracuda

Rubio is a realist. He realizes that deporting millions of people including children is just not going to happen. If this type of measure had been passed when Bush was president and Republicans still controlled Congress, we would have tied up the Hispanic vote for the foreseeable future, but instead those sensible measures were defeated by the xenophobes on the right and now we are facing catastrophe.


When is National Security/Border Security “xenophobic”

For the few Hispanic voters we may get pushing Illegal Alien Amnesty (not all Hispanics want Amnesty)...we get a lot more conservative Dems who appreciate getting tough on Illegal Aliens...especially now that the major labor unions support Illegal Alien Amnesty

This “Illegal Alien Amnesty brings Hispanic Voters” is a myth pushed by the Liberal media...something that Fox News has picked up from MSNBC

Hispanics will not vote for GOP just because the GOP is willing to give Illegal Alien Amnesty. Puerto-Rican Americans could care less whether you give Illegal Mexicans and Dominicans “amnesty”...Cuban-Americans the same (they have their own immigration rules due to Castro/Communism).

And, if Illegal Alien Amnesty meant Hispanic votes....then how did McCain, who authored the 2007 Amnesty Bill...end up with 31% of the vote in 2008? (Romney had 27& in 2012)


51 posted on 01/12/2013 1:45:24 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (The only automatic weapon is the one Obama uses to take your paycheck)
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To: GBA; Impy; Clintonfatigued; MinuteGal
>> Rubio is Amnesty Liberal... ...who has learned the appropriate things to say to a conservative audience. I started out liking what he had to say, but then he started down the amnesty path. <<

The red flag for me was when Jeb Bush & all the freepers who swore up and down that Mel Martinez was a solidly conservative "rising star" and "a Cuban-American who is against illegal immigration" said the SAME thing about Rubio 6 years later. In both cases, the MOMENT their candidate announced for the Senate, we were supposed to get aboard with their candidacy and not research or look into their record.

The one major difference was the race quickly evolved into Rubio vs. Crist, so we were left with no choice but to back Rubio.

52 posted on 01/12/2013 1:48:29 PM PST by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: Sarabaracuda
It is just that type of attitude that keeps the GOP from winning more of the minority vote.

But it's your type of attitude that keeps the GOP from winning -- period.

And that is the attitude of a quitter -- period.

53 posted on 01/12/2013 1:49:59 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: cripplecreek

Next thing ya know we’ll be calling homosexuals “Turd Burglars” LOL


LMAO

Or calling them “Reproductively Challenged”


54 posted on 01/12/2013 1:52:44 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (The only automatic weapon is the one Obama uses to take your paycheck)
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To: Uncle Chip

It’s the unrealistic expectations and demands of the purists that leads to defeat. Look at McCain’s and Romney’s defeats. When we all are reasonable and work together we achieve victory as we did with Bush’s presidency and capture of the House and Senate. That is winning.


55 posted on 01/12/2013 1:55:20 PM PST by Sarabaracuda (Glenn Beck is right. Victory through peaceful resistance.)
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To: Sarabaracuda

Calling legal immigrants wetbacks most certainly is.


Not as offensive as referring to Illegal Aliens as “Immigrants”

As a legal immigrant, that is offensive. That is like calling a shoplifter a “customer, or calling a rapist an “undocumented copulator”


56 posted on 01/12/2013 1:56:21 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (The only automatic weapon is the one Obama uses to take your paycheck)
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To: BillyBoy

Rubio /Bush is a problem. Education will be privatized and controlled by non-elected foundations and hedge fund $$$. Not a good thing. Once again.. follow the money.


57 posted on 01/12/2013 2:04:53 PM PST by codder too
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To: SeminoleCounty

The 30 thousand + illegals in America right now are enough to create some 50 new congressional districts and all the expenses they create and all the democrat votes they produce.

Illegals are nothing but government growth hormone and anyone asking them to stay is calling for even bigger government.


58 posted on 01/12/2013 2:05:58 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: CatherineofAragon; All; TheOldLady; Admin Moderator

Everyone, please take a few moments to educate yourselves on Sara via her post history over the last week or two.

She is willing to moderate the abortion issue (AKA the lives of children) for GOP votes as she said clearly in several posts.

She has also gone on a multithread spree over the gun issue with some positions that run very contrary to conservative thought.

I and several other posters have spent thousands of words debating her. It is useless. So before you give her the time of day, read up.


59 posted on 01/12/2013 2:10:07 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: cripplecreek

The 30 thousand + illegals in America right now are enough to create some 50 new congressional districts and all the expenses they create and all the democrat votes they produce.

Illegals are nothing but government growth hormone and anyone asking them to stay is calling for even bigger government.


True. The cost of assimilating all those Illegal Aliens will be put on the backs of taxpayers....even with all the Illegals now getting government services and benefits....it would multiply if all made “Legal” or given “a path to citizenship”


60 posted on 01/12/2013 2:10:19 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (The only automatic weapon is the one Obama uses to take your paycheck)
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To: Sarabaracuda
It’s the unrealistic expectations and demands of the purists that leads to defeat. Look at McCain’s and Romney’s defeats.

What universe are you living in??? Those two were/are hardly "purists".

When we all are reasonable and work together we achieve victory

And what victory is that??? a compromise that undermines the citizens of this nation??? Sounds like you have been slurping at the DU trough. Wipe your nose. It's showing.

61 posted on 01/12/2013 2:20:47 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Sarabaracuda
e xenophobes on the right and now we are facing catastrophe.

What a bunch of insulting bullc*ap. Go to the DUmp where you belong.

So, having hordes of people pouring over our border is Xenophobic?

Any country that wishes to survive will control it's borders.

Let me as you this, what if Americans started pouring over the border into Mexico, do you think they would be accommodated?

You are disgusting.

62 posted on 01/12/2013 2:23:37 PM PST by sand88
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To: Uncle Chip; Sarabaracuda

Victory through compromise on guns, abortion and immigration.

Ask her the details. She’ll be happy to tell you all about it. In fact, she won’t shut up about it.


63 posted on 01/12/2013 2:24:08 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Bigtigermike; mickie; flaglady47
Hey, con cuidado, Kemosabe....Tonto no trust white man, oops, brown man, oops, white brown man, oops, white Hispanic man, oops, mestizo Hispanic man, oops, brown Hispanic man....that's it, that's it, ruddy beige Hispanic man who speak with soothing forked tongue.....

Adios, amigo.....giddyup, Scout, old boy.

Leni

64 posted on 01/12/2013 2:27:45 PM PST by MinuteGal (Send a penny NOW to CNN, 1 Time-Warner Center, NY,NY 10019 for "PENNIES FOR LEAVING!" (Piers Morgan))
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To: Sarabaracuda; All
...that deporting millions of people including children...

How absurd that that leftist liberal talking point is still being thrown out there on a conservative website as if that is the only alternative to giving illegal alien criminal insurgent colonists citizenship.

The states that have passed laws not allowing non citizens to work, go to school, get welfare, get food stamps have seen an exodus (self deportation) of this criminal element to other states that treat them better than their citizens. And many of them just went back to Mexico.

California passed such a law some years ago, but the politicians let ONE liberal judge override the legal decision made by the voters in that state.

Imagine how much better of an economy Calif would have if California Proposition 187 (also known as the Save Our State (SOS) initiative) would have been implemented?

65 posted on 01/12/2013 2:30:25 PM PST by Syncro ("So?" - Andrew Breitbart (The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: Sarabaracuda
Calling legal immigrants wetbacks most certainly is.

Operation Wetback was a 1954 operation by the United States (INS) to remove illegal immigrants.

Big deal, what do you want to call them, Citizens?

66 posted on 01/12/2013 2:36:00 PM PST by Syncro ("So?" - Andrew Breitbart (The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: MinuteGal
LOL My dad had a friend named **** Hernandez, we all called him "Brownbelly". My friend **** Jimenez is nicknamed "Spic". I used to work in a factory with Spic and he used to walk in the door saying "Time to bend the Tacos" in reference to the old Dunkin Donuts ad.

The world was better off when we could call each other derogatory names as terms of endearment.

Gran Torino barbershop scene

That's the world I grew up in and there was nothing wrong with it.
67 posted on 01/12/2013 2:47:31 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Norm Lenhart
Isn't [s]he the clever one -- propagating the RINO position on everything under Sarah Palin's nickname!!!!

It's intended to denigrate Sarah Palin -- that's all.

68 posted on 01/12/2013 3:25:55 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: cripplecreek

LMAO!!

Neanderthal! /s


69 posted on 01/12/2013 5:01:14 PM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: Norm Lenhart

You’re right....THAT is some interesting reading, right there.


70 posted on 01/12/2013 5:11:33 PM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: Bigtigermike
"Here's how I envision it," he says. "They would have to come forward. They would have to undergo a background check." Anyone who committed a serious crime would be deported. "They would be fingerprinted," he continues. "They would have to pay a fine, pay back taxes, maybe even do community service. They would have to prove they've been here for an extended period of time. They understand some English and are assimilated. Then most of them would get legal status and be allowed to stay in this country."

The problem is we can't trust the federal government to enforce any of these rules.

71 posted on 01/12/2013 5:17:55 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62
The problem is we can't trust the federal government to enforce any of these rules.

Ain't that the truth?!

If the government had done its job and enforced the rules, we wouldn't have 10-12 million (or more) illegals in the country.

72 posted on 01/12/2013 5:25:50 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Sarabaracuda
It is just that type of attitude that keeps the GOP from winning more of the minority vote.

The GOP can't win the majority vote.

73 posted on 01/12/2013 5:56:30 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: CatherineofAragon

It is isn’t it?

I have to wonder if she is just a troll or an active propagandist. Because he/she/whoever posts that crap isn’t remotely conservative.

That’s fine. But I doubt that fighting with people trying to help fix our current mess is being done for the greater good.


74 posted on 01/12/2013 6:34:01 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: SeminoleCounty

I am a “realist” as well. When basic services are being slashed and capped, the people will notice that this is not the case for resident aliens. Reality will bite these folks in the rear ends.


75 posted on 01/12/2013 7:05:00 PM PST by MSF BU (n)
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To: Moonman62
The problem is we can't trust the federal government to enforce any of these rules.

They'll make exceptions upon exceptions. Just using criminals as an example. They'll find a criminal, plan to deport him and a taxpayer funded attorney will argue against the inhumanity of deporting this poor father who made a mistake......
76 posted on 01/12/2013 7:17:57 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Sarabaracuda
Rubio is a realist. He realizes that deporting millions of people including children is just not going to happen. If this type of measure had been passed when Bush was president and Republicans still controlled Congress, we would have tied up the Hispanic vote for the foreseeable future,

That's not what happened after Reagan granted amnesty.

77 posted on 01/12/2013 7:39:58 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Gaffer

ABSOLUTENESS NOT.We built it. It’s our country and you can’t have it!! NO WAY.


78 posted on 01/12/2013 7:49:11 PM PST by willardwx
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To: Bigtigermike

Supporting a communist goal is supporting communism -Rubio is a RINO!!!!


79 posted on 01/12/2013 8:43:17 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: Bigtigermike

I’m beginning to believe you have to be just plain stupid to get elected. Those who have committed serious crimes would be deported? Hell, there’ll be no need for a background check. Just ask them and I’m sure they’ll admit their crimes.


80 posted on 01/12/2013 9:00:16 PM PST by Terry Mross (People who hate me read my posts and get angry. Yet they can't look away. Brilliant, huh.)
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To: GBA

There is only one criteria that I use to decide if I vote for someone. If Hannity or Coulter praises him, I don’t vote for him.


81 posted on 01/12/2013 9:05:36 PM PST by Terry Mross (People who hate me read my posts and get angry. Yet they can't look away. Brilliant, huh.)
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To: Cowboy Bob
There are many people here on FR will only support non-Whites who declare themselves to be Republican... (And their true politics are unimportant)

What a bs slander of your fellow Freepers. I've never once seen what you're talking about, here.

82 posted on 01/12/2013 9:10:36 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Sarah Palin, the space looks bigger, and bigger the longer you wait.

We need her to hold tight until 2016. I don't want to see our best quarterback wasted on a lineman position.

83 posted on 01/12/2013 9:14:23 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Ohioan
I would urge Conservative Floridians, not to write Rubio off, but rather have the frank talk with him that is suggested in the article.

If you're suggesting that conservatives need to sit down with Rubio and school him on the basics, then he's not worth speaking to in the first place. No real conservative needs to be converted. It's already in their bones.

84 posted on 01/12/2013 9:18:30 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Bigtigermike
It seems like even the RINO's are coming out after the election.

It's ok, come election time he'll a full blown Conservative again.

85 posted on 01/12/2013 9:37:16 PM PST by MaxMax (Gun free zones was the invitation to gun bans by the left, at any cost)
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To: Bigtigermike; Liz; AuntB; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; ...

Why do they always say ‘pay back taxes’ ?

If they are illegal then they had no reported income.
And what if back taxes = getting tax credits?


86 posted on 01/12/2013 10:24:18 PM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to O is NO principle!)
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To: Sarabaracuda
I agree with you that Rubio is right. We need immigration reform NOW,and Rubio is leading the “other side”, that would be you and me, with some great ideas on how we can do it.

oboma thinks he has cornered the market on the hispanic vote...and to that I say bullcrap. New citizens interested in adhering to the new immigration reform rules such as Rubio has suggested, who want to become contributing, educated, working citizens of the USA, who are family oriented by culture and church-going Christians, are OK in my book...that is what this low-information, knuckle-dragging, godless, immoral/negative/lazy/gime-gime culture-infested country of ours needs.

You can't undo what has already happened by simply demanding that all illegals be rounded up and shipped back home. We CAN garner the attention and vote of the hispanic who wants to do the right thing (I have heard it said often that many regret having to come into the USA illegally, and would like to become a citizen through proper channels) and go through the steps, as outlined by Rubio, for instance, and become a citizen of this country...the country they escaped to for refuge and an opportunity. The socialist-marxist-communist OBOMA is pushing very hard to become the “salvation” of the hispanic....beat him at his own game by coming up with a real solution, as outlined by Rubio, for instance,and turn this into a win-win for future citizens and we who are citizens.

87 posted on 01/12/2013 10:57:52 PM PST by itssme
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To: Sarabaracuda
Unlike you, I am not a quitter.

Nope Quisling is a better word for you. Why do you shame Palin with your name?

89 posted on 01/12/2013 11:30:48 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: Moonman62

That’s because the GOP is not winning the minority vote.


90 posted on 01/13/2013 12:03:25 AM PST by Sarabaracuda (Glenn Beck is right. Victory through peaceful resistance.)
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To: itsahoot

Sara, like Rubio and myself, believes in a pathway to legalization. Look up her interview with Bill O’Reilly if you don’t believe me.


91 posted on 01/13/2013 12:10:30 AM PST by Sarabaracuda (Glenn Beck is right. Victory through peaceful resistance. The meek shall inherit the Earth.)
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To: dalereed

You are a real class act.


92 posted on 01/13/2013 12:39:39 AM PST by Sarabaracuda (Glenn Beck is right. Victory through peaceful resistance. The meek shall inherit the Earth.)
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To: cripplecreek
Marco Rubio, Florida's GOP senator, unveils his reform ideas to 'modernize' the system and put illegal immigrants on a path to citizenship.

That’s a line in the sand issue for me.

As well I. Immigration is just one of about five core conservative issues where I WILL NOT compromise. End of story

Actually as soon as Rubio started to become a national figure I started studying his background. He makes nice speeches but he at his core is still an aspiring RINO at heart. Beware of his silvery forked tongue.

93 posted on 01/13/2013 1:08:06 AM PST by Ron H. (America on the fast track to oblivion.)
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To: Sarabaracuda

First of all, what makes you think that all illegal immigrants are hispanic? That is a tad racist all by itself.
Every sincle one of the 9/11 hujackers were here illegally. Gorget about that? I haven’t/ And how many more have arrived since then?
Get off your holier than thou ravings and use some common sense.

From Palin haters:

http://blogtown.portlandmercury.com/BlogtownPDX/archives/2009/12/03/sarah-palin-on-the-lars-larson-show
Dec 3, 2009
LARS: The amnesty proposal that was defeated in Congress — in your view, was that amnesty for illegals and would you back amnesty for a path to citizenship, as the current president calls it?

SARAH PALIN: No, I’m not for amnesty. Let’s ratchet this down quite simply to remember what we’re referring to. Illegal aliens are called “illegal” for a reason. We need to secure our borders and I am not for amnesty. And there are humane ways to deal with the 11-13 million illegal aliens who are in our country right now, but if they’re not going to follow the rules, they need to get out.

http://www.laprogressive.com/immigration-reform/sarah-palin-immigration/

Sarah Palin Tells Bill O’Reilly What She Would Do About Immigration As ‘President Palin’
July 14, 2010
Last Friday, Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly asked former Gov. Sarah Palin? (R-AK) what she would do about immigration if she ever became “President Palin.” Palin informed O’Reilly that she would do “whatever it takes” to secure the border, including “militarizing” the border with 10,000-15,000 National Guard troops and building a wall. However, Palin seemed less confident about what to do about the millions of undocumented immigrants already living in the U.S. She proposed requiring undocumented immigrations to register with the federal government in order to legally work in the United States — a step that would actually be part of comprehensive immigration reform:

O’REILLY: Now we have 12 million people staring at you. [...] Are you going to deport them, what are you going to do? [...]

PALIN: You’re not gonna give them a free pass. You’re not gonna say, ‘okay you and anyone else who wants scurry across this porous border between now and when we do finally get it fenced in and physically secured — we’re gonna give you a free pass.’

O’REILLY: So no amnesty?

PALIN: No amnesty! [...] Do we make them register with the federal government? Yes! [...] Let’s keep it simple and let’s say ‘no, if you were here illegally and if you don’t follow the steps that at some point through immigration reform we’re gonna be able to provide — and that is somehow to allow you to work — if you don’t do that, then you’re gonna be gone.’

Other Side:

http://www.teapartybrewing.com/blog/2011/07/26/numbersusa-fail-in-evaluating-sarah-palin/

Sunday, July 24, 2011
NumbersUSA Fail in evaluating Sarah Palin

Whoever did the evaluation on Sarah Palin got it wrong at NumbersUSA. I compared their conclusions with what was said in the Gov. Palin interview with Bill O’Reilly, 12 July 2010.

NumbersUSA: “Despite saying she opposes ‘amnesty,’ Gov. Palin has very publicly described her preference for giving legal status to masses of illegal aliens.”

There are no references to back up what NumbersUSA say Palin said. Where exactly has Palin made such a statement?

NumbersUSA: “Gov. Palin has said she opposes amnesty and there should be ‘no free passes’ for illegal aliens. However, she seems to define amnesty like most supporters of legalization of illegal aliens.

Source: Gov. Palin interview with Bill O’Reilly, 12 July 2010.

Here NumbersUSA refuse Palin’s words “no free passes” and insert what they want to portray her as “seeming” to be like other amnesty supporters.

NumbersUSA: “Palin has outlined a pathway to legalization where illegal aliens have 60 days to register with the government (those that fail to register should be deported).

Palin does not have a clear idea of what to do once illegal aliens have registered, but if illegal aliens do not follow the path to legalization, they should be deported.

Source: Gov. Palin interview with Bill O’Reilly, 12 July 2010.

The above statement is false. At 1:35 O’Reilly makes an hypothetical statement, “Do you tell them they have 60 days to get outta here?” Palin did not make an outline of 60 days.

NumbersUSA: “Gov. Palin has made it clear that the United States needs a steady flow of immigrants in order for our economy to function.

Source: Gov. Palin interview with Bill O’Reilly, 12 July 2010.

I don’t see how Numbers can make this statement. I can’t find Palin saying anything about supporting a steady flow of immigrants anywhere in the interview.

After reading Numbers USA evaluation, I can’t find NumbersUSA to be a credible source. Until these errors are corrected, NumbersUSA grades an F.


94 posted on 01/13/2013 1:34:32 AM PST by MestaMachine (Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
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To: Sarabaracuda

Don’t know why that posted before an ed check. Oh well. Try again.

First of all, what makes you think that all illegal immigrants are hispanic? That is a tad racist all by itself.
Every single one of the 9/11 hijackers were here illegally. Forget about that? I haven’t. And how many more have arrived since then?
Get off your holier than thou ravings and use some common sense.


95 posted on 01/13/2013 1:38:55 AM PST by MestaMachine (Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
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To: MestaMachine

They had student visas- it’s not as if they had to sneak into the country.


96 posted on 01/13/2013 1:50:56 AM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: itssme; Sarabaracuda

Are you sarabaracuda???

Or are you two just living in the same head???


97 posted on 01/13/2013 5:12:41 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

It was a typo. I meant Sarah as in Sarah Palin.


98 posted on 01/13/2013 11:13:00 AM PST by Sarabaracuda (Glenn Beck is right. Victory through peaceful resistance. The meek shall inherit the Earth.)
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To: MestaMachine

I did not say that Sarah supports amnesty. She does not. She supports legalization.


99 posted on 01/13/2013 11:13:45 AM PST by Sarabaracuda (Glenn Beck is right. Victory through peaceful resistance. The meek shall inherit the Earth.)
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To: Ron H.

Nobody is ever pure enough for your kind.


100 posted on 01/13/2013 11:24:35 AM PST by Sarabaracuda (Glenn Beck is right. Victory through peaceful resistance. The meek shall inherit the Earth.)
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