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Biden Hints at OutlawingUnregulated ´Private´ Gun Sales
Weekly Standard ^ | 1/10/13 | Daniel Halper

Posted on 01/10/2013 1:01:31 PM PST by Nachum

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Joltin' Joe strikes again
1 posted on 01/10/2013 1:01:46 PM PST by Nachum
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2 posted on 01/10/2013 1:03:27 PM PST by Nachum (Back on the Google blacklist- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

So if I use the pro abortion argument there will be back alley gun sales?


3 posted on 01/10/2013 1:03:42 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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4 posted on 01/10/2013 1:04:21 PM PST by Nachum (Back on the Google blacklist- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

How are you going to do that Joe? ...Rub your magic lamp and ask it for a wish.


5 posted on 01/10/2013 1:04:45 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Nachum

They can’t keep track of a couple hundred weapons in Mexico or food stamp spending, but they think they’ll be able to oversee 600,000,000 privately owned firearms? I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.


6 posted on 01/10/2013 1:05:29 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Nachum

Impossible to enforce without an national gun registry as well


7 posted on 01/10/2013 1:05:29 PM PST by CrappieLuck
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To: Nachum

The left must be heavily invested in gun and ammunition manufacturing. Everything they come up with drives up the sales.


8 posted on 01/10/2013 1:05:36 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Capitol to the districts: "May the odds be ever in your favor.")
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To: Nachum

What? Is it going to be on the honor system? Hey Joe, have you ever heard of just back dating a receipt pre-ban?


9 posted on 01/10/2013 1:05:42 PM PST by apillar
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To: Nachum

We really need to put some limits on the commerce clause.


10 posted on 01/10/2013 1:05:42 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Nachum
And so the kinds of things that there´s an emerging set of recommendations, not coming from me but coming from the groups we´ve met with," said Biden today...

That's a truck load of horse crap. They know exactly what they want to do and Joe is simply going through the motions. And guess what, to outlaw something means the legislative branch has to be involved. His imperial greatness, Great Leader, cannot pass laws. That's not his job.
11 posted on 01/10/2013 1:06:21 PM PST by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: Nachum

Yup, that would have stopped the school shootings alright ....


12 posted on 01/10/2013 1:06:34 PM PST by sphinx
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To: Nachum

Don’t doubt they will and can do it. recall the fed laws against selling kids toys at garage sales.


13 posted on 01/10/2013 1:08:40 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Nachum

Impossible. But it might trick some honest people into registering their guns.

It makes me think the Federal waiting period is all about data collection for confiscation when some idiot says stuff like this. Guess from now on if I buy a gun it will have to be private.


14 posted on 01/10/2013 1:10:06 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: driftdiver

Biden hints at outlawing rights given from my creator. You ready for this slow joe??


15 posted on 01/10/2013 1:10:56 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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16 posted on 01/10/2013 1:15:24 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Nachum

The more I like his ideas, the more a sense of smug moral superiority begins to wash over me...kinda like Gun-Free Zones...doing something...for the children...maybe I’ll read some Chomsky.


17 posted on 01/10/2013 1:18:35 PM PST by Tex-Con-Man (<-------currently working through post-election anger issues.)
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To: Red Steel

“How are you going to do that Joe? “

Since the vast majority of guns held by citizens are not registered in any fashion, good luck with that!


18 posted on 01/10/2013 1:19:39 PM PST by vette6387
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To: Nachum

Factoid: 80% of guns used in crime are obtained ILLEGALLY.

So how will the ONE and Half ((Obamao+Biden) get the law breakers to obey registration laws, size of magazine clips, type of weapon etc.? They can’t! By definition the law breakers do not obey any laws.

I have no problem with checking criminal background checks for law abiding citizens if they will show me first how they will control the firearms of the law breaking criminals.


19 posted on 01/10/2013 1:20:59 PM PST by entropy12 (The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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The more I like his ideas, the more a sense of smug moral superiority begins to wash over me...kinda like Gun-Free Zones...doing something...for the children...maybe I’ll read some Chomsky.

Wait, I'll loan you a copy of my "Little Red Book"

20 posted on 01/10/2013 1:22:59 PM PST by Nachum (Back on the Google blacklist- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: eyedigress

shoot, shovel, shutup


21 posted on 01/10/2013 1:27:33 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

I will have absolutely no remorse exacting defense against some assclown trying to remove my liberty that is America.

I will shoot you square in the spine if it removes that threat.


22 posted on 01/10/2013 1:32:49 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: Nachum

Biden cannot pass any law, especially one outlawing a legal sale. He is hallucinating.


23 posted on 01/10/2013 1:32:49 PM PST by Rapscallion (Obama is America's first tyrant....president in name only - PINO)
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To: Nachum

Private handgun sales or transfers in NC have required a permit for close to 20 years now.


24 posted on 01/10/2013 1:38:16 PM PST by ltc8k6
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To: Nachum
said Biden today, before a closed door meeting on gun control.

So, a "closed door meeting" on infringing Second Amendment Rights of American Citizens is just fine, no problems.

However, a "closed door sale" of a firearm by American Citizens exercising Second Amendment Rights is supposed to be decreed "illegal."

I just want to be "perfectly clear" on who is doing what up in DC.

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25 posted on 01/10/2013 1:40:42 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Nachum
Funny how no one is talking about the actual problem; Godless, fearless, narcissistic punk kids with no male father figures, guidance, supervision, discipline, self-discipline, honor, respect, blah blah blah..

TODAY'S CHILD IS HIS OR HER OWN BOSS. Until THAT changes, NOTHING will change.

26 posted on 01/10/2013 1:53:53 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Nachum

Checks on private sales means that when the jackboots come to collect your gun you could no longer plausibly say that it was sold to a private party. It makes registration and confiscation a real possibility.


27 posted on 01/10/2013 1:57:26 PM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: ltc8k6
Private handgun sales or transfers in NC have required a permit for close to 20 years now.

And for close to 20 years, that idiot law has been ignored.

Regardless of the "waiting period" which calls itself a "permit", handguns are NOT registered in NC.

And I refuse to do so.

28 posted on 01/10/2013 1:58:28 PM PST by backwoods-engineer ("Remember: Evil exists because good men don't kill the gov officials committing it." -- K. Hoffmann)
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To: Nachum
How long does the federal government retain records of background checks?

How long does the federal government require that firearms dealers retain records of background checks.

Is there a difference in the length of time that they can be legally retained vs. How long they really are retained?

Is there some back door method in which data is moved into a different database to skirt retention laws?

I'm thinking that the goal of this is defacto gun registration of ALL gun sales.

29 posted on 01/10/2013 1:58:39 PM PST by Washi (Socialism is Slavery)
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Don’t doubt they will and can do it. recall the fed laws against selling kids toys at garage sales.

I don't know / didn't know about some supposed fed law over selling kids toys at garage sales, but it seems like the 40 dozen or so garage sales every year within a mile radius of my house, I see kids toys at just about every garage sale. If this is a federal law, then it appears that nearly every garage sale I see is unaware of it. What, is some federal gestapo agent or agency supposed to be policing garage sales across the US? Good luck with that!

And now that I am aware of this supposed law, I will be sure to once again include kids toys in my garage sales, as I have always done!

30 posted on 01/10/2013 2:08:55 PM PST by rcrngroup
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To: Washi

The primary reason any government wants a list of who has possession of what is so the government can either take the property or extort money from the “owner” as a condition of being allowed to possess the item for a time.

Weapons registration ALWAYS leads to confiscation by a government that then murders its disarmed citizen-subjects.

SLAVES are forbidden to touch weapons.


31 posted on 01/10/2013 2:09:40 PM PST by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Nachum

How would they know?


32 posted on 01/10/2013 2:14:58 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: ltc8k6

Bet their compliance with such a void law is almost nothing.


33 posted on 01/10/2013 2:24:31 PM PST by Mechanicos (When did we amend the Constitution for a 2nd Federal Prohibition?)
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To: CrappieLuck

You can bet your last bullet that universal registration is in the plans.


34 posted on 01/10/2013 2:27:05 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The one thing that Hollywood gets right about guns is that crminals will always get them.)
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To: AD from SpringBay

Joe Biden is such a dummy. Nobody takes him serious. When he speaks even lib voters just stare. I’d like to know what they’re thinking.


35 posted on 01/10/2013 2:30:11 PM PST by Terry Mross
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Joe Biden is going to be a lonely old man after he’s out of office. Nobody will want to be around him. Well, he could end up in a home with people in white jackets standing around him.


36 posted on 01/10/2013 2:36:07 PM PST by Terry Mross
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To: rcrngroup

Here:
What big government? Feds to regulate garage sales
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/08/what_big_government_feds_to_re.html


37 posted on 01/10/2013 2:37:50 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Psalm 144

I’ve been thinking the same thing. Also wonder if there has been any “covert action” by the libtards to initiate or coerce any of these shootings.


38 posted on 01/10/2013 2:48:54 PM PST by bonnieblue4me (You can put lipstick on a donkey (or a dimrat), but it is still an ass!)
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To: Nachum

“No Guns for Negroes” video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nckgyfGbdnU


39 posted on 01/10/2013 2:58:44 PM PST by LZ_Bayonet ( I AM THE TEA PARTY LEADER !)
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But, for some reason there are still idiots that show up at the police station to register their guns for no reason.

I dis-remember the city, but there was an article about it. Anyhow the local police in the city started storing gun information because so many people kept showing up at the station wanting to register their firearm. The cop they interviewed was like 'I don't understand it, it's nobody's business you own a gun.' He expressed frustration that some people just would not understand no matter how many times they were told it wasn't necessary.

It's like the people that see a sign "Open seven days a week," and still ask the clerk - "hey, are you open on Sundays too?"

Unfortunately, those idiots vote and think we should be just as stupid as them.

40 posted on 01/10/2013 3:01:55 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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I think what they will try and do is change the way 4473 forms are handled.

Right now the forms have to be kept by FFLs for 20 years before they can be destroyed and the government only has access to them as part of criminal investigations.

However, if the FFL goes out of business, the FFL has to turn the forms over to the feds immediately. A lot of people don't know that.

IMHO they will try and make a play to put all these forms into a government database “for the sake of our children”.

Since private sales skirt the form 4473, they will first focus on private sales.

41 posted on 01/10/2013 3:18:49 PM PST by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the Whitehouse.)
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To: LZ_Bayonet

No Guns for Jews, Part One
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H-qOUmCrIU

No Guns for Jews, Part Two

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6lTfFWXYls


42 posted on 01/10/2013 3:18:59 PM PST by Nachum (Back on the Google blacklist- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Biden is an enemy of the people.


43 posted on 01/10/2013 3:24:22 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Washi
How long does the federal government retain records of background checks? How long does the federal government require that firearms dealers retain records of background checks.

Background checks are not supposed to be retained AT ALL.

Form 4473 is supposed to be retained by the FFL for 20 years.


44 posted on 01/10/2013 3:25:06 PM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved, or not at all)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Here in SC when you go to a gun show folks walk around with signs on their backs advertising whatever they brought with them to sell and tables are set up for private sales of guns. The result they are looking for is to make it criminal to have those private sale tables and to bring your own guns to sell by just hanging the rifle on your shoulder with a price tag or even for handguns.

Currently we are allowed to sell or trade guns privately and a gun show is a good place to market them without the instrusion of the government. If this passes we will have to worry about undercover federal cops trying to entrap us.


45 posted on 01/10/2013 3:35:40 PM PST by snippy_about_it
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Good luck Joe. What part of private sale did you not understand ? Nobody knows about it moron.


46 posted on 01/10/2013 3:37:34 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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Joe, we will not comply. Go pound it.


47 posted on 01/10/2013 3:38:30 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: ltc8k6
Private handgun sales or transfers in NC have required a permit for close to 20 years now.

That is true as far as it goes.

One must obtain a permit from the Sheriff to purchase a pistol. This requires filling out a questionnaire, paying a $10 fee. The Sheriff does a background check with the State NCIS. If approved, you are issued a permit to buy, signed by the Sheriff. You don't have to use it or turn it back unused but it does have an expiration date. It is not specific for any gun, but it can only be used to buy a single handgun whether from a public or private seller. If it is from a private seller, the seller keeps the permit after the sale. If it is an FFL, he keeps the permit with his records.

There is no requirement to either file the permit with the Sheriff or buyer/seller (private sale) to register the firearm or turn in any paperwork afterward. The seller is supposed to keep the permit, indefinitely, to show it was a legitimate sale if he is ever asked.

Alternatively, if one has a CHL license issued it is signed by the Sheriff. The background checks have already been done so one does not need the $10 permit to buy a handgun. The CHL allows him to buy any amount of handguns off a private or FFL seller. The CHL holder must show the private seller his CHL but no paperwork is exchanged. Likewise, there is no record of the transaction except a bill of sale or whatever is exchanged by the buyer and seller.

That's pretty loose. Hardly draconian.

Rifles and shotguns are completely unregulated unless buying/selling through an FFL in which case he does an NCIS check and fills out the standard BATF forms.

Now these fiends want to put every honest citizen in a straighjacket with everything registered. It won't "solve" any problems, but that is not the point. The point is stifling sales and registration, which leads ultimately to either heavy taxation or confiscation.

If one needs a poster child, go admire New York City, Washington DC, or Chicago. It has worked out very well for the criminals and the city governments (but, I repeat myself) but not the honest citizens.

48 posted on 01/10/2013 3:47:49 PM PST by Gritty (Progressives realize Occupy Kindergarten is the surest path to Occupy Washington-Daren Jonescu)
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To: Nachum

The *only* way private gun sales can be regulated is that if *both* the seller and the buyer, *and* the gun, are registered with the government.

And I don’t mean just a background check where the government either requires gun sellers to preserve all the information so it can be obtained at government request; or conveniently “forgets” to not destroy the information when it is supposed to.

I’m talking full registration.


49 posted on 01/10/2013 3:49:59 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: ltc8k6
Private handgun sales or transfers in NC have required a permit for close to 20 years now.
And how many NC gun owners have transferred a handgun to a friend or family member without bothering about the permit?
50 posted on 01/10/2013 3:59:24 PM PST by jdege
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