Background checks are not supposed to be retained AT ALL.
Form 4473 is supposed to be retained by the FFL for 20 years.
Posted on 01/10/2013 1:01:31 PM PST by Nachum
Vice President Joe Biden, in remarks today before a meeting on guns, suggested the Obama administration is seriously considering outlawing unregulated "private" gun sales:"And so the kinds of things that there´s an emerging set of recommendations, not coming from me but coming from the groups we´ve met with," said Biden today, before a closed door meeting on gun control. "And I´m going to focus on the ones that relate primarily to gun ownership and the type of weapons can be owned. And one is,
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So if I use the pro abortion argument there will be back alley gun sales?
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How are you going to do that Joe? ...Rub your magic lamp and ask it for a wish.
They can’t keep track of a couple hundred weapons in Mexico or food stamp spending, but they think they’ll be able to oversee 600,000,000 privately owned firearms? I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.
Impossible to enforce without an national gun registry as well
The left must be heavily invested in gun and ammunition manufacturing. Everything they come up with drives up the sales.
What? Is it going to be on the honor system? Hey Joe, have you ever heard of just back dating a receipt pre-ban?
We really need to put some limits on the commerce clause.
Yup, that would have stopped the school shootings alright ....
Don’t doubt they will and can do it. recall the fed laws against selling kids toys at garage sales.
Impossible. But it might trick some honest people into registering their guns.
It makes me think the Federal waiting period is all about data collection for confiscation when some idiot says stuff like this. Guess from now on if I buy a gun it will have to be private.
Biden hints at outlawing rights given from my creator. You ready for this slow joe??
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The more I like his ideas, the more a sense of smug moral superiority begins to wash over me...kinda like Gun-Free Zones...doing something...for the children...maybe I’ll read some Chomsky.
“How are you going to do that Joe? “
Since the vast majority of guns held by citizens are not registered in any fashion, good luck with that!
Factoid: 80% of guns used in crime are obtained ILLEGALLY.
So how will the ONE and Half ((Obamao+Biden) get the law breakers to obey registration laws, size of magazine clips, type of weapon etc.? They can’t! By definition the law breakers do not obey any laws.
I have no problem with checking criminal background checks for law abiding citizens if they will show me first how they will control the firearms of the law breaking criminals.
Wait, I'll loan you a copy of my "Little Red Book"
shoot, shovel, shutup
I will have absolutely no remorse exacting defense against some assclown trying to remove my liberty that is America.
I will shoot you square in the spine if it removes that threat.
Biden cannot pass any law, especially one outlawing a legal sale. He is hallucinating.
Private handgun sales or transfers in NC have required a permit for close to 20 years now.
So, a "closed door meeting" on infringing Second Amendment Rights of American Citizens is just fine, no problems.
However, a "closed door sale" of a firearm by American Citizens exercising Second Amendment Rights is supposed to be decreed "illegal."
I just want to be "perfectly clear" on who is doing what up in DC.
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TODAY'S CHILD IS HIS OR HER OWN BOSS. Until THAT changes, NOTHING will change.
Checks on private sales means that when the jackboots come to collect your gun you could no longer plausibly say that it was sold to a private party. It makes registration and confiscation a real possibility.
And for close to 20 years, that idiot law has been ignored.
Regardless of the "waiting period" which calls itself a "permit", handguns are NOT registered in NC.
And I refuse to do so.
How long does the federal government require that firearms dealers retain records of background checks.
Is there a difference in the length of time that they can be legally retained vs. How long they really are retained?
Is there some back door method in which data is moved into a different database to skirt retention laws?
I'm thinking that the goal of this is defacto gun registration of ALL gun sales.
I don't know / didn't know about some supposed fed law over selling kids toys at garage sales, but it seems like the 40 dozen or so garage sales every year within a mile radius of my house, I see kids toys at just about every garage sale. If this is a federal law, then it appears that nearly every garage sale I see is unaware of it. What, is some federal gestapo agent or agency supposed to be policing garage sales across the US? Good luck with that!
And now that I am aware of this supposed law, I will be sure to once again include kids toys in my garage sales, as I have always done!
The primary reason any government wants a list of who has possession of what is so the government can either take the property or extort money from the “owner” as a condition of being allowed to possess the item for a time.
Weapons registration ALWAYS leads to confiscation by a government that then murders its disarmed citizen-subjects.
SLAVES are forbidden to touch weapons.
How would they know?
Bet their compliance with such a void law is almost nothing.
You can bet your last bullet that universal registration is in the plans.
Joe Biden is such a dummy. Nobody takes him serious. When he speaks even lib voters just stare. I’d like to know what they’re thinking.
Joe Biden is going to be a lonely old man after he’s out of office. Nobody will want to be around him. Well, he could end up in a home with people in white jackets standing around him.
Here:
What big government? Feds to regulate garage sales
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/08/what_big_government_feds_to_re.html
I’ve been thinking the same thing. Also wonder if there has been any “covert action” by the libtards to initiate or coerce any of these shootings.
I dis-remember the city, but there was an article about it. Anyhow the local police in the city started storing gun information because so many people kept showing up at the station wanting to register their firearm. The cop they interviewed was like 'I don't understand it, it's nobody's business you own a gun.' He expressed frustration that some people just would not understand no matter how many times they were told it wasn't necessary.
It's like the people that see a sign "Open seven days a week," and still ask the clerk - "hey, are you open on Sundays too?"
Unfortunately, those idiots vote and think we should be just as stupid as them.
Right now the forms have to be kept by FFLs for 20 years before they can be destroyed and the government only has access to them as part of criminal investigations.
However, if the FFL goes out of business, the FFL has to turn the forms over to the feds immediately. A lot of people don't know that.
IMHO they will try and make a play to put all these forms into a government database “for the sake of our children”.
Since private sales skirt the form 4473, they will first focus on private sales.
No Guns for Jews, Part One
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H-qOUmCrIU
No Guns for Jews, Part Two
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6lTfFWXYls
Biden is an enemy of the people.
Background checks are not supposed to be retained AT ALL.
Form 4473 is supposed to be retained by the FFL for 20 years.
Here in SC when you go to a gun show folks walk around with signs on their backs advertising whatever they brought with them to sell and tables are set up for private sales of guns. The result they are looking for is to make it criminal to have those private sale tables and to bring your own guns to sell by just hanging the rifle on your shoulder with a price tag or even for handguns.
Currently we are allowed to sell or trade guns privately and a gun show is a good place to market them without the instrusion of the government. If this passes we will have to worry about undercover federal cops trying to entrap us.
Good luck Joe. What part of private sale did you not understand ? Nobody knows about it moron.
Joe, we will not comply. Go pound it.
That is true as far as it goes.
One must obtain a permit from the Sheriff to purchase a pistol. This requires filling out a questionnaire, paying a $10 fee. The Sheriff does a background check with the State NCIS. If approved, you are issued a permit to buy, signed by the Sheriff. You don't have to use it or turn it back unused but it does have an expiration date. It is not specific for any gun, but it can only be used to buy a single handgun whether from a public or private seller. If it is from a private seller, the seller keeps the permit after the sale. If it is an FFL, he keeps the permit with his records.
There is no requirement to either file the permit with the Sheriff or buyer/seller (private sale) to register the firearm or turn in any paperwork afterward. The seller is supposed to keep the permit, indefinitely, to show it was a legitimate sale if he is ever asked.
Alternatively, if one has a CHL license issued it is signed by the Sheriff. The background checks have already been done so one does not need the $10 permit to buy a handgun. The CHL allows him to buy any amount of handguns off a private or FFL seller. The CHL holder must show the private seller his CHL but no paperwork is exchanged. Likewise, there is no record of the transaction except a bill of sale or whatever is exchanged by the buyer and seller.
That's pretty loose. Hardly draconian.
Rifles and shotguns are completely unregulated unless buying/selling through an FFL in which case he does an NCIS check and fills out the standard BATF forms.
Now these fiends want to put every honest citizen in a straighjacket with everything registered. It won't "solve" any problems, but that is not the point. The point is stifling sales and registration, which leads ultimately to either heavy taxation or confiscation.
If one needs a poster child, go admire New York City, Washington DC, or Chicago. It has worked out very well for the criminals and the city governments (but, I repeat myself) but not the honest citizens.
The *only* way private gun sales can be regulated is that if *both* the seller and the buyer, *and* the gun, are registered with the government.
And I don’t mean just a background check where the government either requires gun sellers to preserve all the information so it can be obtained at government request; or conveniently “forgets” to not destroy the information when it is supposed to.
I’m talking full registration.
Private handgun sales or transfers in NC have required a permit for close to 20 years now.And how many NC gun owners have transferred a handgun to a friend or family member without bothering about the permit?
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