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E-cigarettes: no smoke without ire
The Guardian ^ | January 5, 2013 | Lionel Shriver

Posted on 01/09/2013 7:06:47 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084

I've long been a decorative smoker. One daily roll-up hasn't imperilled my health much, and it's rescued me from the ranks of the self-righteous. I've relished the dash of badness, but my indulgence has come at a price: complicity. My more heavily addicted husband has smoked from the age of 19. So long as I join him in the odd postprandial drag, I'm a bad influence.

Last month I switched to an e-cig. I'm a convert. Sleek, black, and easily confused with a fine-point felt-tip, this newfangled "nicotine delivery system" is dead cool. The gently warm vapour ingeniously replicates the reflective pause of a real fag, the same quiet little buzz. But it doesn't stink up your breath, cover surfaces with ash, turn the air acrid, stain your fingers, brown your teeth, reduce bone mass of the jaw, promote gum disease, or – wait for the drum roll – cause cancer. Nor does an e-cig give anyone in your vicinity cancer.

Why, then, are so many nonsmokers queasy, nay denunciatory, about electronic fags? Why did the EU's tobacco product directive released last month propose effectively banning any e-cigs that deliver remotely enough nicotine to make them an attractive alternative to tobacco? Isn't a "tobacco product directive" reaching beyond its remit by seeking to regulate a product containing no tobacco? Why is the sale of a device that administers a mild stimulant about as energising as a cup of coffee already illegal in Denmark, Belgium and Norway? Why do some airlines specifically ban e-cigs, which don't foul the air on planes?

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: antitobaccoscam; blu; bluecigs; bullystate; ecigarettes; ecigs; pufflist; scam
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1 posted on 01/09/2013 7:06:49 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Because someone, somewhere, might be enjoying themselves.

That just doesn't sit well with some folks.

/johnny

2 posted on 01/09/2013 7:09:53 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Eric Blair 2084; Reaganite Republican; Clintons Are White Trash; HerrBlucher; mgist; raptor22; ...
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Freep-mail me to get on or off my pro-life and Catholic List:

Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.

3 posted on 01/09/2013 7:13:09 PM PST by narses
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To: Eric Blair 2084

bump


4 posted on 01/09/2013 7:14:59 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Eric Blair 2084

You posted this with no comment. Why?


5 posted on 01/09/2013 7:16:01 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Idiot libs, they seem to think that Nicotine itself causes lung cancer, instead it is all the smoke...

If we ground up coffee bean and put thin in paper tubes and smoked them it would cause cancer as well! And it sure as hell wouldn’t be the Caffeine that caused the actual cancer...

Same goes for “chew” it is the other stuff in the chew that causes cancer and not the nicotine..

There was a proposal from the RJ Reynolds (sp) Company to make a “peppermint mint that was enhanced with Nicotine” and the Libs screamed like little stuck pigs. Mainly because it would profit “big tobacco”.

I have family members that smoke around harvest season to stay awake (they are farmers). I would much rather they be addicted to “Nicotine Sweets” than damn cigarettes or chew.


6 posted on 01/09/2013 7:16:32 PM PST by GraceG
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To: JRandomFreeper

I’m not talking until I see which side Eric Blair is on.


7 posted on 01/09/2013 7:19:53 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: SheLion; Gabz; Hank Kerchief; 383rr; libertarian27; traviskicks; bamahead; CSM; valkyrieanne; ...

NANNY STATE PING!

This was a well written piece by a novelist who is a fellow e-cig convert. Normal people may wonder what the real reason is behind why anti-smoking groups are scared to death that their easy money big pharma and gubmint gravy train is ending. It’s not very complicated and all free people should understand what is happening.

1. Anti smoking groups are funded by contributions from Big Phrma companies that sell competing nicotine replacement products. Gums, patches etc. They stand to lose billions if ecigs take market share.

These “non profit” groups and their boards make 6 figure salaries. They were not doing this out of their altruistic benevolent concern for the health of mankind.

2. It looks like smoking, even though there is no smoke. All of the money and cultural social engineering to make the act look socially unacceptable would be flushed down the toilet.


8 posted on 01/09/2013 7:21:16 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer to drink a bunch of them. Stay thirsty my FRiends)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Because someone, somewhere, might be enjoying themselves.
That just doesn’t sit well with some folks.

/johnny


bingo


9 posted on 01/09/2013 7:22:01 PM PST by mrsloungitude ( USMC Mom)
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To: SheLion; Gabz; Hank Kerchief; 383rr; libertarian27; traviskicks; bamahead; CSM; valkyrieanne; ...

NANNY STATE PING!

This was a well written piece by a novelist who is a fellow e-cig convert. Normal people may wonder what the real reason is behind why anti-smoking groups are scared to death that their easy money big pharma and gubmint gravy train is ending. It’s not very complicated and all free people should understand what is happening.

1. Anti smoking groups are funded by contributions from Big Phrma companies that sell competing nicotine replacement products. Gums, patches etc. They stand to lose billions if ecigs take market share.

These “non profit” groups and their boards make 6 figure salaries. They were not doing this out of their altruistic benevolent concern for the health of mankind.

2. It looks like smoking, even though there is no smoke. All of the money and cultural social engineering to make the act look socially unacceptable would be flushed down the toilet.


10 posted on 01/09/2013 7:22:06 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer to drink a bunch of them. Stay thirsty my FRiends)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Because for the leftist/statists who now run the “West,” it is all and only about POWER. And read your Orwell. What is power to that ilk? The ability to inflict pain on others. Period.


11 posted on 01/09/2013 7:24:48 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
We find your pleasure to be displeasing and demand that you desist at this instant.

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12 posted on 01/09/2013 7:24:48 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

The things do work however quality of the devices vary. US Customs regularly confiscates shipments without cause. They’re legal so why confiscate them?

The real issue is an alliance between the US government and the tobacco companies. The government hates them because they haven’t figured out how to tax them as heavily as analog smokes. Tobacco companies are against them because it cuts into their bottom line.


13 posted on 01/09/2013 7:25:06 PM PST by IBIAFR
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Why do some airlines specifically ban e-cigs, which don’t foul the air on planes?

########

I don’t fly because of TSA but I bought an e-cig and liked it then went back to my regulars because I had the same reaction to both. You are a leper.

No biggie..my tobacco tax dollars pay for illegal health care so I’m helping make the world a better place..../sarc on


14 posted on 01/09/2013 7:25:14 PM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: Marcella

What side? Lol. I’m on the side of freedom.

I quit smoking 3 years ago with ecigs. I still love the smell of smoke and hang outside with my former smoking buddies just to get a whiff.


15 posted on 01/09/2013 7:25:51 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer to drink a bunch of them. Stay thirsty my FRiends)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Precisely! I love how FReepers boil issues down in the first post or five.

Beyond that, see this C.S. Lewis quote that I keep handy on my FR profile page:

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” — C.S. Lewis

In this case, it doesn’t even matter if it really isn’t “bad” for the user, all that matters is that the do-gooder thinks that it is.


16 posted on 01/09/2013 7:26:56 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: GraceG
Spot on, except for a minor issue with: "I would much rather they be addicted to “Nicotine Sweets” than damn cigarettes or chew." They are not likely to get addicted to something which has added nicotine. The reason that cigarettes, and to a lesser extent other forms of tobacco, are so addictive is the other chemicals (in tobacco itself, used in the curing process, and added to the finished product) which make smoking more akin to freebasing nicotine. I suspect that freebasing anything (especially nicotine, which has significant positive qualities) would result in a pretty severe addiction.
17 posted on 01/09/2013 7:28:00 PM PST by jjsheridan5
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To: JouleZ

You just have to be discreet on an airplane. Don’t exhale the vapor. No reason to cause a panic in an enclosed space 50k ft up. Just common courtesy.

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18 posted on 01/09/2013 7:29:06 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer to drink a bunch of them. Stay thirsty my FRiends)
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To: berdie

later


19 posted on 01/09/2013 7:32:00 PM PST by berdie
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To: Eric Blair 2084

What kind of ladies’ name is Lionel? Weird!


20 posted on 01/09/2013 7:33:48 PM PST by pluvmantelo
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To: cripplecreek
Make me. I just fired up a homemade cigarette made out of pipe tobacco. Regular cigarette tobacco is weak, and for children. ;)

I'm also drinking beer, mostly nekked, except for a hair tie and a smile, and filling the bathtub with hot water so I can soak and enjoy on a rainy afternoon.

That should wad their panties right up.

This is the day the Lord has made. Rejoice, and be glad in it.

/johnny

21 posted on 01/09/2013 7:34:01 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

LOL

Edgar Friendly, isat you?


22 posted on 01/09/2013 7:36:54 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Marcella

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.


23 posted on 01/09/2013 7:37:40 PM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Answers to the above questions can be found here...

The Phony Tobacco War
24 posted on 01/09/2013 7:37:46 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Is it possible that liberals are ...

...mentally ill?


25 posted on 01/09/2013 7:38:49 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Throw a couple more Firestone tires on the fire while you are up?


26 posted on 01/09/2013 7:41:29 PM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: SpaceBar

It’s a very lucrative racket. Much like global warming. Lots of cash and gubmint grants to pay for the villa in Aspen and the lease on the Mercedes Benz E550.

All paid for by some honest guy who works in a factory somewhere who just wants to have a beer and a cigarette in a bar with his friends after work.

Can’t have that. He wouldn’t be coerced to quit using the gums and patches that Big Pharma sells to the smoker quit lines.


27 posted on 01/09/2013 7:44:07 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer to drink a bunch of them. Stay thirsty my FRiends)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
“What side? Lol. I’m on the side of freedom. I quit smoking 3 years ago with ecigs. I still love the smell of smoke and hang outside with my former smoking buddies just to get a whiff.”

Wasn't going to waste my words on someone who posted and ran. Since you are here:

I am of both worlds. I smoke real cigarettes when I am in my house and anyone who comes in and doesn't like it, can leave.

I use “blu” e cigarettes when in someone’s car or a restaurant. When my son is here, I use the e cigarette when we are in my car because the smoke bothers him physically.

I tried another e cigarette first and it was impossible as either the tip or the battery was out, hard to get both working at the same time. “blu” is different. The tips are use and throw away, nothing to re-fill. There is a nice box that has a rechargeable battery in it that charges a battery when you are using another one. When that one dies, get the one the box has charged and put the one just out in there and it recharges so it travels well. You always have a charged battery.

So, I use both and the blu works very well.

28 posted on 01/09/2013 7:46:07 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
“What side? Lol. I’m on the side of freedom. I quit smoking 3 years ago with ecigs. I still love the smell of smoke and hang outside with my former smoking buddies just to get a whiff.”

Wasn't going to waste my words on someone who posted and ran. Since you are here:

I am of both worlds. I smoke real cigarettes when I am in my house and anyone who comes in and doesn't like it, can leave.

I use “blu” e cigarettes when in someone’s car or a restaurant. When my son is here, I use the e cigarette when we are in my car because the smoke bothers him physically.

I tried another e cigarette first and it was impossible as either the tip or the battery was out, hard to get both working at the same time. “blu” is different. The tips are use and throw away, nothing to re-fill. There is a nice box that has a rechargeable battery in it that charges a battery when you are using another one. When that one dies, get the one the box has charged and put the one just out in there and it recharges so it travels well. You always have a charged battery.

So, I use both and the blu works very well.

29 posted on 01/09/2013 7:46:07 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: cripplecreek
I had to google that reference. I'm more of a 16th to 19th century kind of reader. (technical and military, some art and poetry)

I did ping the daughter to ask her if she has the movie and would she be kind enough to share it if she does.

I was very busy for 20 years and missed out on pop culture. From what I see of today's pop culture... I didn't miss much.

/johnny

30 posted on 01/09/2013 7:48:47 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

That’s strange - only hit post once.


31 posted on 01/09/2013 7:51:17 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Thanks for the ping!


32 posted on 01/09/2013 7:51:24 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Marcella

I was of both worlds for the first week. It is interesting how it doesn’t work for everyone.

The technology was still in the Commodore 64 stage. I dealt with crappy batteries, clogged atomizers.

Now it is in the Apple II stage.


33 posted on 01/09/2013 7:53:13 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer to drink a bunch of them. Stay thirsty my FRiends)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Actually I think you might enjoy the movie Demolition Man. Its a liberal dream come true with disastrous results.

You see, according to Cocteau's plan, I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think; I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech and freedom of choice. I'm the kind of guy who likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecued ribs with the side order of gravy fries?" I WANT high cholesterol. I wanna eat bacon and butter and BUCKETS of cheese, okay? I want to smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section. I want to run through the streets naked with green Jell-o all over my body reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly might feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiener".

-Edgar Friendly
34 posted on 01/09/2013 7:55:34 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: TigersEye

In this case, leftists and statists just have their typical reaction....Ban, ban ban. Laws laws laws. Ask questions later.

NY public serpent legislators banned UFC and ultimate fighting when they first heard of it. Just because.

Then they calmed down and stopped emoting and thought. Now it is at MSG.


35 posted on 01/09/2013 8:03:34 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer to drink a bunch of them. Stay thirsty my FRiends)
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To: SpaceBar; Gabz

I read that whole thing. Thanks.

FWIW, I only heard about this piece from reading Dr. Siegels blog.

http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2013/01/sometimes-it-takes-novelist-to.html?m=1

He’s great. Gabz will disagree.:-)


36 posted on 01/09/2013 8:12:46 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer to drink a bunch of them. Stay thirsty my FRiends)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Bttt.


37 posted on 01/09/2013 8:13:15 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: cripplecreek
LOL! That guy might be a cousin... But I can hang with that attitude.

I'm not so good with lime jello, but the rest has a certain appeal.

/johnny

38 posted on 01/09/2013 8:18:42 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

How does it compare cost wise with regular smokes?


39 posted on 01/09/2013 8:37:51 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Superciliousness is the essence of Obama)
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To: IBIAFR

Billions of dollars. That is the big shoe to drop. Gubmints will have to admit the truth.


40 posted on 01/09/2013 8:43:52 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer to drink a bunch of them. Stay thirsty my FRiends)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

It’s cheaper than $8/pack of Marlboros or $40 for gum.

The 30 ml juice bottle is $16 bucks and lasts a month. The blank cartridges are 5 for about $7. Last a day. Batteries are $9 and last 2 months.

Your good health and watching government hypocrites and anti smoking crony capitalist front groups lose billions...

PRICELESS


41 posted on 01/09/2013 9:03:18 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer to drink a bunch of them. Stay thirsty my FRiends)
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To: Marcella

4 am reference bump ... ;-)


42 posted on 01/09/2013 9:31:03 PM PST by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

You just have to be discreet on an airplane.

######

I don’t fly. Will you be my FRiend on FR? I love your personal page!


43 posted on 01/09/2013 9:32:34 PM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
All of the money and cultural social engineering to make the act look socially unacceptable would be flushed down the toilet.

But you were supposed to be explaining why it was BAD.

44 posted on 01/09/2013 10:05:46 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Fascists are nevery happy until they are able to openly kill their detractors! We are on that path and they are not even hiding their intentions!

Welcome Tyranny with open arms citizen!


45 posted on 01/10/2013 5:55:42 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: cripplecreek

I’ve been trying to remember the name of that movie for months! I keep seeing it in my every day life and just couldn’t put my finger on it...

Thank you FRiend for keeping me sane!


46 posted on 01/10/2013 6:10:52 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Planes, trains, long auto trips with the family - slap on a stage 1 nicoderm patch - don’t leave home without it. Trust me. ;-)


47 posted on 01/10/2013 8:33:12 AM PST by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Wow!

I'll bring and cook some ribeyes, with a tagalong bottle of good Irish whisky and a pile of premium cigars if I can hang out at your place for a few hours (not a bromance, just a statement).

48 posted on 01/10/2013 11:43:51 AM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: elkfersupper
I've been single for about the last 10 years. I don't take being told what to do very well, anymore. ;)

I put up a ham radio antenna. My sister made some snide comment about how tacky it looked. It slipped out before I could catch it: "KMA".

I'm just at that crochety old fart point in my life.

/johnny

49 posted on 01/10/2013 11:52:23 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I’m a member of that club.


50 posted on 01/10/2013 12:11:10 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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