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New Twist in Gun Control Debate: Mom Runs Out of Bullets Defending Kids from Criminal
American Thinker ^ | January 9, 2013 | NA

Posted on 01/09/2013 2:19:56 PM PST by neverdem

Mom shot 6 time ex-convict intruder with all the bullets of her 38, yet he was still able to get up after she ran out of bullets. What if it was more than one intruder? Maybe limiting ammunition capacity is actually better for the criminals and not their victims after all...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: armedcitizen; banglist; equalizer; guncontrol; secondamendment
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Go to the source for the under 10 minute video.

How timely? Bismarck was right. Providence strikes again!

1 posted on 01/09/2013 2:20:04 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

The communists, er, democrats are on the wrong side once again, way out there on the wrong side.


2 posted on 01/09/2013 2:22:31 PM PST by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: neverdem

All of these laws are designed to protect the criminals ( er, Democrats)


3 posted on 01/09/2013 2:24:06 PM PST by GP100
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To: neverdem

He dodged some deadly hits but I bet he had to throw away his pants and undies.


4 posted on 01/09/2013 2:26:09 PM PST by HChampagne
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To: GP100

certainly looks that way


5 posted on 01/09/2013 2:27:06 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: neverdem

You wouldn’t happen to have a news link about that robbery, would you?


6 posted on 01/09/2013 2:38:23 PM PST by RandallFlagg ("Liberalism is about as progressive as CANCER" -Alfonzo Rachel)
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To: neverdem

She inadvertently followed two of the common rules for gun fighting. One rule says you need to create a wall of lead between you and the aggressor. The other rule she followed says that if your aggressors disarm you and use your gun against you it’s only to beat you with because it’s empty.


7 posted on 01/09/2013 2:44:58 PM PST by Til I am the last man standing (It's the internet Senators; We can see what you are doing!)
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To: neverdem

She needed a black rifle.

We should pass legislation requiring that each US citizen acquire one.


8 posted on 01/09/2013 2:46:15 PM PST by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: RandallFlagg

http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/crime/mom-shoots-burglar

There ya go!


9 posted on 01/09/2013 2:59:08 PM PST by SakoL61R
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To: RandallFlagg

http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/crime/mom-shoots-burglar

There ya go!


10 posted on 01/09/2013 2:59:17 PM PST by SakoL61R
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To: RandallFlagg
You wouldn’t happen to have a news link about that robbery, would you?

I wrote in comment# 1: "Go to the source for the under 10 minute video."

11 posted on 01/09/2013 3:03:27 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

There are standard practice rounds, and there are the really special lethal ones used for practical applications....

Regardless, she did what she had to do, and she and her children survived.


12 posted on 01/09/2013 3:07:30 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: SakoL61R

Thank you tons.

Adding keyword, “armedcitizen,” to this thread.


13 posted on 01/09/2013 3:07:41 PM PST by RandallFlagg ("Liberalism is about as progressive as CANCER" -Alfonzo Rachel)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

She really needed much more lethal ammo. I bet it was some of the cheap ball ammo that’s mostly good for target shooting. Also, from some of the other reports I’ve read, it looks like the perp had done some time, meaning he was probably rock hard. All the more reason for a larger caliber pistol, more cartridges, and stronger ammo.


14 posted on 01/09/2013 3:08:59 PM PST by libstripper
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To: neverdem

I love upbeat, good news stories like this. Five rounds in the face and body from a .38 and he’s still alive?

5 out of 6 in a dark crawlspace. Good shooting!

The thing about revolvers is that they don’t jam. You only get six shots, but they don’t jam.

Now, if she’d have had a Taurus Judge with .410 rounds in there, this story would have had that warm ‘awww’ bit at the end that the perp died from the 28 pellets embedded in his face and body.


15 posted on 01/09/2013 3:10:37 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: SakoL61R
GA mom shoots intruder 5 times in face, hides children
16 posted on 01/09/2013 3:24:08 PM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: GP100

The left deliberately leaves guns in the hands of violent criminals while taking them from the hands of honest, law-abiding non-violent people.


17 posted on 01/09/2013 3:28:54 PM PST by I want the USA back (NRA Life member.)
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To: I want the USA back

Gun Control creates more victims for the illegal to prey on.

An armed society is a polite society


18 posted on 01/09/2013 3:35:51 PM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt (Disclaimer - the opinions above merely reflect the writers restricted ability to observe reality)
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To: neverdem

All the keyboard commandos can call for more deadly ammo, pipsqueak .410 shot gun loads etc. but bottom line is; a human is hard to kill, especially if they are full of fight and there is a lot of space around the critical points in a head shot. The lady did exceedingly well.


19 posted on 01/09/2013 3:43:41 PM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: Lion Den Dan
The lady did exceedingly well.

Yes she did. That doesn't alter the fact, though, that the perp was still mobile after being shot 5 times. Had there been a second perp, the lady might have been in deep trouble. I won't say she needs more range time. Her accuracy was great. But she really does need to upgrade the ammo. Hollowpoints, at the very least. And it might not have hurt to go to a semi-auto with a bigger magazine capacity.

20 posted on 01/09/2013 3:59:54 PM PST by JoeFromSidney ( New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: sarasmom
Regardless, she did what she had to do, and she and her children survived.

It must be said ad nauseam

If only this armed) woman was at Sandy Hook(among other shootings) how many children could have been saved?


21 posted on 01/09/2013 4:07:17 PM PST by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: exnavy

Their approach to all this is criminal. The gun was the equalizer here. Why did the guy seek her and the kids out?

If Obama’s gun control was in place we’d be reading about a violent rape and triple murder with a suspect at large.

Liberalism is anti-human.


22 posted on 01/09/2013 4:08:16 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: JoeFromSidney
Had there been a second perp, the lady might have been in deep trouble.

MIGHT have been? I'd say it would've been darn likely.

23 posted on 01/09/2013 4:08:49 PM PST by Jeff Winston
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To: libstripper

That FMJ stuff is all most walmarts carry. It is a lightly loaded round, but at least she had good shot placement. 5 out of 6 COM under high stress is better than most cops can do.


24 posted on 01/09/2013 4:21:07 PM PST by wrench
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To: RinaseaofDs; JLS; bamahead; EdReform; SENTINEL; redpoll; ArmyTeach; Eska; Jet Jaguar; ...
I love upbeat, good news stories like this. Five rounds in the face and body from a .38 and he’s still alive?

5 out of 6 in a dark crawlspace. Good shooting!

The bad guy escaped and is still alive as of that video. She was out of ammo apparently. What if there was more than one bad guy? She'd be SOL. What if it was a gang? She would have needed what the fiends want to ban!

The video is at the source. It needs to go viral!

25 posted on 01/09/2013 4:52:42 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

She needs some hollowpoint +P loads.


26 posted on 01/09/2013 5:00:12 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: JoeFromSidney
Had there been a second perp, the lady might have been in deep trouble.

Literally every story I read, where the good guy (gal) shoots, the 2nd perp always runs away. They don't volunteer for lead duty.

27 posted on 01/09/2013 5:04:45 PM PST by aimhigh ( Guns do not kill people. Planned Parenthood kills people.)
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To: neverdem

Oh, s***-the gun I keep closest is a .38-had no idea it was that survivable. That is fine shooting in the dark, though.


28 posted on 01/09/2013 5:09:43 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line...")
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To: neverdem
Actually, I found this story somewhat depressing.

Five rounds in the face and body from a .38 and he’s still alive?

If only she'd had my 12 gauge Remington 870 TaC X with a half dozen slugs this story could've had a happy ending.

29 posted on 01/09/2013 5:18:53 PM PST by FredZarguna (Liberals: they devolved, they rebelled, there are many copies ... and they have a Plan)
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To: neverdem
Sounds like she knows how to handle a weapon but a shame it wasn't loaded with hollow points.

Maybe she and her husband should consider a semi-auto, more rounds are always good. I have the feeling she could handle it just fine.

30 posted on 01/09/2013 5:21:44 PM PST by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: neverdem

did every bullet actually connect with the thug?


31 posted on 01/09/2013 5:29:53 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: JoeFromSidney

Some folks just don’t ‘grok’ a semi-auto, but do just fine with a revolver. Concur on the ammo upgrade.


32 posted on 01/09/2013 5:42:46 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
did every bullet actually connect with the thug?

Check the video at the source. Something happened at my end. I don't have time to watch it again.

33 posted on 01/09/2013 5:43:25 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: RinaseaofDs
"The thing about revolvers is that they don’t jam. You only get six shots, but they don’t jam. "

Totally agree. A .357mag is hard to beat. Practice with cheap .38 wad cutters and load up at home with .375 Glasser safety slugs or hollow point mags.

"Now, if she’d have had a Taurus Judge with .410 rounds in there, this story would have had that warm ‘awww’ bit at the end that the perp died from the 28 pellets embedded in his face and body."

I've read some good ballistic reviews on the Taurus using high end 3" .410 rounds. I wouldn't want to be on the business end of it.

Or, someone may want to use an FN Five Seven with a laser sight and 20 rounds of high end 5.7 x 28mm ammo:

Review with specs and comments: FN Five Seven review Shooting Times

Some good comments here: FN Five Seven review policelink

34 posted on 01/09/2013 6:08:50 PM PST by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: uncommonsense
Totally agree. A .357mag is hard to beat. Practice with cheap .38 wad cutters and load up at home with .375 Glasser safety slugs or hollow point mags.

Your method is exactly the same as mine except that you forgot the snap caps for practicing drawing and trigger control.

35 posted on 01/09/2013 7:05:54 PM PST by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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"you forgot the snap caps for practicing drawing and trigger control."

I like it! Better than dry firing. The caps will help to overcome any flinching (I'm sure I flinch with my Smith .44 mag).

36 posted on 01/09/2013 7:22:59 PM PST by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: neverdem
Check out this video from a Milwaukee convenience store. The clerk turns the the tables on the criminal.
37 posted on 01/09/2013 7:36:43 PM PST by rabidralph (http://www.cafepress.com/westernwis)
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To: neverdem

Jeepers...


38 posted on 01/09/2013 7:50:26 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: neverdem
The video is at the source. It needs to go viral!

Yes, it does neverdem. Thanks for this very important ping.

39 posted on 01/09/2013 8:14:31 PM PST by PGalt
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To: neverdem

They are going to divide us between those who will register from those who wont

Those who will comply with bullet limits from the handicapped who cannot because they cannot afford to reload every 5 seconds

from mothers who cannot afford using a bolt action and need a semi auto.

Check it out, the age of chivalry is gone. We cannot organize anything against this “POLICE TERROR STATE” by installment.

INterestingly, the only law out there which would be legal to cosmetically (and not functionaly) differentiate the weapons of LE from non LE because of uniform vs. civilian discrimination compliance are not even on the books.

Leftism is defining the uniform on who has a weapon while being in civies.

It is fascism pure and simple, with deceit and terrorism.

You do not know who is the fascist and the cop in your midst.


40 posted on 01/09/2013 8:29:29 PM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: rabidralph

Thanks for the link.


41 posted on 01/09/2013 8:37:46 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: RinaseaofDs

Actually there is a buck and ball ,410 shotgun round. One large ball and bunch of pellets can ruin your day. Some have three large balls and a bunch of pellets too.


42 posted on 01/09/2013 9:21:07 PM PST by Fee
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To: uncommonsense

Just bought one on Gunbroker, hope the transfer beats 0bama’s executive order.


43 posted on 01/09/2013 9:21:23 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: neverdem

Exactly what I have been thinking all along. Police Officers had to start carrying different weapons, because the criminals were out gunning them.

So it is with the civilian population. With all the gangs operating the way they do these days, there is no way that a simple hand gun is sufficient self defense.


44 posted on 01/09/2013 10:50:54 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: neverdem; All

5 out of 6 connected, but he ran off, drove away and crashed. Cops caught him and arrested him.

It would be fun to see a photo of his new face. Probably no solid hits. One dead center would have sent him to hell. He was lucky.


45 posted on 01/10/2013 2:52:34 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: neverdem

Perhaps she needs to upgrade:

http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/pistols/plr-16/


46 posted on 01/10/2013 3:40:16 AM PST by gotribe (obama = the Great Divider)
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To: neverdem

Good story and effective, but lets not forget about:

Benghazi, the Muslim Brotherhood’s infiltration of the WH and our military, Obama’s mysterious campaign funds, Green Engergy boondoggles and failures, the ECONOMY...


47 posted on 01/10/2013 4:53:46 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
You bought the Taurus Judge I assume. I'd be very interested in any ballistic tests you do. I read a very nerdy review (good thing) of the gun using a variety of .410 rounds. I can't remember which one came out on top (I'd look for the link, but I'm on a blackberry so I really can't do much browsing).

Anyhow, hope it works for you and stay safe FRiend.

48 posted on 01/10/2013 7:13:43 AM PST by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: neverdem
The equalizer made the difference. That's why the thugs and the dictators want their victims disarmed.
49 posted on 01/10/2013 8:28:41 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (If all trees were money trees, Obama would still spend it faster than they can leaf out.)
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To: uncommonsense

Most people don’t realize it, but the Taurus Judge really shines when you load it with hot .45 Colt loads like the ones you can get from Cor-Bon or Buffalo Bore. They turn your revolver-with-a-glandular-disorder into a pocket .45-70.


50 posted on 01/10/2013 10:21:24 AM PST by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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