Skip to comments.U.S. has lower life expectancy than any other wealthy nation because high murder rate
Posted on 01/09/2013 1:31:24 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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nothing personal but take minority crime out and our crime rates are as low as Scandinavia
No, gang bangers tend to have the real McCoy as in fully automatic weapons. They are not getting these legally. There is a weapon pipeline just like there is a drug pipeline into countries. There is no paperwork and cold cash is needed. You have to know where to go and who to talk to.
A lot of the weapons are brand new and not stolen.
I am afraid the cops don’t kill all that many scumbags. I read it was like 200 (nationwide) in 2006. Armed citizens are a lot better at this than the cops; there are more of them, and they have a better idea who the bad guys are than a cop arriving on the scene.
As for the victims, this is an interesting study from 1993:
Dunno how applicable it is today, but I like the conclusion:
Innocent Victims. Undeniably, some victims are innocent. However, the vast majority are “low-lifes.” As compared to the general population, both murderers and victims have criminal records and abuse alcohol or drugs.
Random Crime. Very little crime is random. In fact, 80% of killers have a “relationship” with their victim. Most often, they know each other through drug deals, criminal activity, or sordid romances.
The majority of crime bears more resemblance to the falling out of two drunken pirates than to an argument between Ozzie and Harriet.
Race. Black and Hispanics are responsible for the vast majority of murders. Nonhispanic whites are more likely to be a victim than a killer.
Guns Versus Race. In urban areas, blacks and Hispanics commit about 80% of murders, yet firearms are used in 47% of murders.
Squaring .80 and .47 yields rough coefficient of determination of .64 for race and .20 for guns.
We can say that race accounts for about 64% of the variance in murder while guns account for only 20% of the variance in murder.
Said another way, race is 2.9 times a better predictor of murder than is guns (64 divided by 20 = 2.9).
Parting Shot. You are losing your rights because of too much crime. They want to fingerprint and curfew your teenagers. They want your guns and the right to kick in your doors without due process.
They want to ban “hate crimes” which would, among other things, make you a criminal just for reading this.
Do not allow yourself to be punish for what others do.
Rather than being treated as individuals, minorities demand to be treated as a group. Perhaps, we should treat then that way.
Thank you for pointing that out. It bears repeating.
Of course, the 30,000 number is from the Brady campaign, so it is surprising they did not round it off to the ever ubiquitous number of "100,000" Dems use for everything else.
No, gangbangers don’t have fully automatic SMGs, ARs, or, heaven forbid, LMGs. Mostly they have cheap pistols.
We’d be hearing about it every second of the day for weeks if some gangster dumped a clip into a crowd of rival gangbangers from a real MAC-10 or full-auto M-16. The Mainstream Propaganda would lap it up. The number of murders in this country committed with fully automatic weapons in this country approaches zero.
What automatic weapons are in private hands in this country are mostly locked up in gun safes.
You have to know where to go and who to talk to.
Oh, you mean Eric Holder and his boss.
Crime with Legally Owned Machine Guns
In 1995 there were over 240,000 machine guns registered with the ATF. (Zawitz, Marianne,Bureau of Justice Statistics, Guns Used in Crime [PDF].) About half are owned by civilians and the other half by police departments and other governmental agencies (Gary Kleck, Targeting Guns: Firearms and Their Control, Walter de Gruyter, Inc., New York, 1997.)
Since 1934, there appear to have been at least two homicides committed with legally owned automatic weapons. One was a murder committed by a law enforcement officer (as opposed to a civilian). On September 15th, 1988, a 13-year veteran of the Dayton, Ohio police department, Patrolman Roger Waller, then 32, used his fully automatic MAC-11 .380 caliber submachine gun to kill a police informant, 52-year-old Lawrence Hileman. Patrolman Waller pleaded guilty in 1990, and he and an accomplice were sentenced to 18 years in prison. The 1986 ‘ban’ on sales of new machine guns does not apply to purchases by law enforcement or government agencies.
Source: talk.politics.guns FAQ, part 2.
The other homicide, possibly involving a legally owned machine gun, occurred on September 14, 1992, also in Ohio (source).
In Targeting Guns, Kleck cites the director of ATF testifying before Congress that he knew of less than ten crimes that were committed with legally owned machine guns (no time period was specified). Kleck says these crimes could have been nothing more than violations of gun regulations such as failure to notify ATF after moving a registered gun between states.
Crime Involving Illegally Owned Machine Guns
Again in Targeting Guns, Kleck writes, four police officers were killed in the line of duty by machine guns from 1983 to 1992. (713 law enforcement officers were killed during that period, 651 with guns.)
In 1980, when Miami’s homicide rate was at an all-time high, less than 1% of all homicides involved machine guns. (Miami was supposedly a “machine gun Mecca” and drug trafficking capital of the U.S.) Although there are no national figures to compare to, machine gun deaths were probably lower elsewhere. Kleck cites several examples:
Of 2,200 guns recovered by Minneapolis police (1987-1989), not one was fully automatic.
A total of 420 weapons, including 375 guns, were seized during drug warrant executions and arrests by the Metropolitan Area Narcotics Squad (Will and Grundie counties in the Chicago metropolitan area, 1980-1989). None of the guns was a machine gun.
16 of 2,359 (0.7%) of the guns seized in the Detroit area (1991-1992) in connection with “the investigation of narcotics trafficking operations” were machine guns.
The LSM will never report gang bangers shooting each other up even if they used M1 tanks and RPGs. Let another nut shoot up somewhere with a full auto and that will be a different story.
Dude arrested in Oregon had 13 fully automatic weapons. Mary Jane grower. Not your typical “gang banger” . The average dummy on the street would not have anything but a cheap throw away gun.
You don’t think the gangbangers wouldn’t use such firepower in more productive ways like bank robbery or armored car heists?
Or that the “news” wouldn’t portray the victims of such infighting as “aspiring rap stars who were turning their lives around and trying to take care of children” or some other crap?
I listened to “Freakonomics.” The most interesting part was about the economics of running a drug gang. If the example he gave was typical, the margin just isn’t there for automatic weapons. Too much money has to go “up the chain” to bosses.
I could be way wrong, but I don’t think there are that many illegal fully automatic weapons loose in the US.
Guess I’m wrong then.
I’d still figure the MSM could not pass up a chance to mouth off about it. Oh, well.
And the funny thing is that even states like the Dakotas, Minnesota and Iowa look high crime when you get out into even more gun friendly states in the Rockies like Montana, Idaho, Wyoming and Utah.
This is a Chicago raid in 1989. Where the heck can you get live grenades legally?
And she’s taller...because you know them gun owners are compensating for something! I like how she’s shrugging, as if someone just asked her, “if a rapist invades your home, what do you plan to do about it?”
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