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U.S. has lower life expectancy than any other wealthy nation because high murder rate
The Daily Mail ^ | 9 January 2013

Posted on 01/09/2013 1:31:24 PM PST by MinorityRepublican

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America is a very dangerous place!


1 posted on 01/09/2013 1:31:33 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican
The United States has far more violent deaths than any other wealthy nation in part because there are so many residents who own guns and store them in unlocked places in their homes are violent criminals that should be incarcerated, but aren't.

Fixed.

2 posted on 01/09/2013 1:35:17 PM PST by Disambiguator
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To: MinorityRepublican

Heh, factor abortions into that average and the numbers are abysmally low for most “developed” nations.


3 posted on 01/09/2013 1:35:57 PM PST by Bayard
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To: MinorityRepublican

Most killed and injured by guns are bad guys being killed or injured by good guys with guns.


4 posted on 01/09/2013 1:37:32 PM PST by Dogbert41 (What now?)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Wait until Obamacare kicks in!


5 posted on 01/09/2013 1:37:43 PM PST by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: MinorityRepublican

Nice try, Brits.

You just might want to do a bit more correlating with respect to particular “cultures” and gun deaths.

Once you account for this, recalculate...and see what happens.


6 posted on 01/09/2013 1:40:13 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: MinorityRepublican
The lax gun rules are a major contributor to the low life expectancy rate that Americans have compared to their global counterparts.

The United States has about six violent deaths per 100,000 residents and none of the 16 other countries included in the review came anywhere close to that ratio.

Let's say that the average age of death of those 6 people is 20 and their life expectancy would have been 80 years. So you lose 6*60=360 years of life expectancy per 100,000 people or an average of 1.3 days of life expectancy. I expect that potato chips have a greater effect.

7 posted on 01/09/2013 1:41:53 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

These stats are a lie (30K gun deaths). According to the FBI, for 2011, there were between 12K and 13K gun deaths.


8 posted on 01/09/2013 1:42:24 PM PST by DallasDeb
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To: MinorityRepublican


9 posted on 01/09/2013 1:43:38 PM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: MinorityRepublican
What is the actual rate in the USA if black and hispanic statistics are taken out of the equation?


10 posted on 01/09/2013 1:44:55 PM PST by avacado
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To: DallasDeb
These stats are a lie (30K gun deaths). According to the FBI, for 2011, there were between 12K and 13K gun deaths.

Correct. Many libs are now out lying by stating it's 40K to match auto crash deaths.

11 posted on 01/09/2013 1:46:43 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: avacado

168


12 posted on 01/09/2013 1:48:11 PM PST by Mashood
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To: avacado

Absolutely. One cannot discuss violence in the US without discussing race and the destruction of the nuclear family by our welfare state policies. Mass killings are a small fraction of the gun and other violence in the US.


13 posted on 01/09/2013 1:50:25 PM PST by Oldexpat
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To: avacado
"What is the actual rate in the USA if black and Hispanic statistics are taken out of the equation?"

Right on! Politicians dare not mention that basic truth for fear of being labeled "Racist!".

Lets hope the moderator is fair minded. The truth shall set you free.

14 posted on 01/09/2013 1:51:12 PM PST by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Mashood

I actually believe you. I know it’s low.


15 posted on 01/09/2013 1:51:25 PM PST by avacado
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To: Mashood

Ha! Excellent reply.


16 posted on 01/09/2013 1:51:37 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MinorityRepublican

But our “murder rate” needs to be normed to give any meaningful number. There’s no reason to pretend that most of the population shares the same rate as the heavily black and hispanic areas of Detroit, Camden, Florida, the Worst cities of California, St. Louis,,, etc.

Most normal people simply do not share this risk.
Lumping us in with them is like lumping us in with Mexico because we are all in North America.


17 posted on 01/09/2013 1:51:37 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

No F*CKING Propaganda in that “info graphic” whatsoever or hackneyed agenda....no sir err bob... /sarc

Notice how the one un-armed person in the top is female and all the others are Males.... That is sexist, i know plenty of female gun owners.


18 posted on 01/09/2013 1:51:46 PM PST by GraceG
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To: MinorityRepublican

The United States has far more violent deaths than any other wealthy nation in part because there are so many residents who own guns and store them in unlocked places in their homes.

Prove it. Show the FBI/DOJ crime stats that support that statement..


19 posted on 01/09/2013 1:52:20 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: Da Coyote

Nice try, Brits.

You just might want to do a bit more correlating with respect to particular “cultures” and gun deaths.

Once you account for this, recalculate...and see what happens.

Also British Gun Statitstic and Murder Statistics are SKEWED horribly as they don’t count a unconvicted murder as an ACTUAL Murder...

The Top Constable in Britain ADMITS this inconveinient fact!!!


20 posted on 01/09/2013 1:55:08 PM PST by GraceG
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To: MinorityRepublican
How many of the wealthy nations pursue a intentional change in the nations population by assimilating millions of third world nation immigrants, legal and not; pushing an unproductive minority group to be more so. None have as diverse a population as the USA and this in turn causes an inferior educational system, and millions unable or unwilling to work, which results in a culture disposed to crime..

This, if it follows a natural sequence, will end in a coup and a brutal dictatorship being established.

Could never happen here?? - don't fool yourself.

21 posted on 01/09/2013 1:55:20 PM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Most of those gun deaths are suicides.
Of the remainder, most of THOSE are scum killing scum at no net loss to society.

Another inconvenient fact: if you factor out murders committed by Blacks and “Hispancs” (who get counted as “White”) our murder rate is lower than the UK and most of Europe.

It isn’t the guns; its the scum.


22 posted on 01/09/2013 1:56:05 PM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Sources: Brady Campaign...

Of course! No bias there! /s

23 posted on 01/09/2013 1:57:03 PM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: Disambiguator

Has anyone ever seen an honest study that identifies where the guns are coming from that are used in Chicago and Detroit when perps shoot other perps? Are the gang bangers getting them from legal gun owners, or what?


24 posted on 01/09/2013 1:58:05 PM PST by Avid Coug
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To: avacado
What is the actual rate in the USA if black and hispanic statistics are taken out of the equation?

Quite similar to pasty white Nordic countries. And you don't even have to take my word for it. Just look at states like the Dakotas, Minnesota and Iowa with comparable pasty white demographics (which also happen to be mainly of Nordic extraction).

25 posted on 01/09/2013 2:04:20 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Oldexpat

How about a discussion on the numbers of gun deaths due to illegal drug activity? This drug activity is a measure of our failure in the war on drugs in America. Law enforcement does not want to discuss this failure so they scapegoat guns as a diversion from the real menace.


26 posted on 01/09/2013 2:10:55 PM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Texas is a Glock??? REALLY???? A lousy handgun? Texas should be an AK. The mag is curved just right.


27 posted on 01/09/2013 2:14:12 PM PST by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: Avid Coug
Has anyone ever seen an honest study that identifies where the guns are coming from that are used in Chicago and Detroit when perps shoot other perps? Are the gang bangers getting them from legal gun owners, or what?

I'm sure they are mostly getting black market/stolen guns for their misdeeds.

28 posted on 01/09/2013 2:18:46 PM PST by Disambiguator
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To: MinorityRepublican

What is the life expectancy of a Christian in Egypt or Syria these days. Or the life expectancy in Aids ridden Africa.


29 posted on 01/09/2013 2:19:00 PM PST by Venturer
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To: MinorityRepublican; All

This is simply lieing with statistics. The major reason that the U.S. life expectancy is lower than many other countries is that we count early and very premie births as “live births”. Most other countries do not do so. If the baby dies within a few hours of being born, it is not counted as a “live birth” and so is not added into the death statistics.

The other lie is about “gun deaths” which they list as 30,000, when two thirds of that figure is suicides. A large number of European nations and Japan have much higher suicide rates than we do, often enough to overpower our higher murder rates.

“Gun deaths” is a propaganda metric designed to delegitimize guns. One could as easily talk about “hospital deaths” and how we could stop millions of “hospital deaths” each year if we banned hospitals.


30 posted on 01/09/2013 2:20:32 PM PST by marktwain
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To: Disambiguator
"Violent deaths." Obviously a misleading and fraudulent category. What these government guncontrol operatives want you to think is, "Murder by guns," right? Well the FBI UCR says that for 2011 the rate for firearm related murders is 2.75 per 100,000--not anywhere near the 6 that these scumbags quote.
31 posted on 01/09/2013 2:21:58 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Disambiguator

So, fat has nothing to do with it?


32 posted on 01/09/2013 2:24:39 PM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Uh, automobiles kill way more people than guns.


33 posted on 01/09/2013 2:24:53 PM PST by ThePatriotsFlag (...and to the Republic for which it STOOD...)
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

It is our CAR CULTURE that kills so many.

The mail is lying with its stats and also most of the killings are criminal killing criminal. I am trying hard to find the downside.


34 posted on 01/09/2013 2:26:51 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
BULLSH!T! Rush stated an FBI report that says that 5 times more people in America are killed by hammers than by guns. This is the new globull warming scam of the communists.

LLS

35 posted on 01/09/2013 2:27:37 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Mears

bfl


36 posted on 01/09/2013 2:28:33 PM PST by Mears
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To: DallasDeb

Difference between criminal death and overall death. In the last year data is available:

We have 11,493 firearm homicides, about 3.7 per 100,000.

Our total homicide rate is 16,799 (or 5.5 per 100,000).

Homicide though is the 15th-ranked reason for death in our country.

I would note that other countries have a much lower firearm homicide rate, but not so much lower total homicide rate, because they have more homicides by other means.

Where our numbers get driven up are in suicide rates.
We had 18,735 firearm suicides, a rate of 6.1 per 100,000.

We had 36,909 total suicides, so we are quite high on the suicide rankings, and only about half of suicides are by gun.

On the other hand, there are a lot more suicide attempts; and in the one area where you can make an argument against a gun, it turns out that gun suicides are the most successful. Given the recidivism rate on suicide attempts is relatively low (when they are detected, because we get people help), it is clear that, if you could successfully identify WHO would commit suicide, and prevent THEM from having a gun, you could reduce the suicide rate.

(The argument being that while the same number of people might attempt suicide, since they would fail more, and then get help, fewer people would end up dead).


37 posted on 01/09/2013 2:30:14 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: MinorityRepublican
Ah the English! This is what they think of us: This is what we think of them:
38 posted on 01/09/2013 2:31:05 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Bayard

And euthanasia .


39 posted on 01/09/2013 2:40:30 PM PST by Morris70
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To: avacado
What is the actual rate in the USA if black and hispanic statistics are taken out of the equation?

It's the same story with obesity rates as well. Factor out the blacks and Mexicans and the United States is a very healthy country, with the very best medical facilities and doctors in the world. That is, until Obamacare put them out of business.

Likewise, the intelligence and educational achievement of Americans matches or exceeds the rest of the developed nations -- if the blacks and hispanics are excluded from the numbers. Simply put diversity is perversity and multiculturalism is a death sentence for our nation.

40 posted on 01/09/2013 2:41:10 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Reaction to the Nation graphic:

If the FBI says 6,000 people were murdered with handguns, around 300 (IIRC) with shotguns and 323 with rifles last year, how do we have 30,000 gun deaths per year? Where do the other 23,000 or so come from? Cleaning accidents? Suicides? Or is that just a bogus statistic? I’m thinking option 3...

Just for discussion, let’s assume this stat means there are 23,000 people killing themselves with firearms in the U.S. each year. In that case, the problem is not guns, it’s that there are 23,000 people depressed enough to kill themselves. They would find another method if there were no guns.

Also, note how the nine with guns are men and the one person with no gun is a woman (no guns for you girls, getting raped is morally superior to self-defense), is taller than the men (gun owners are obviously compensating!) and is shrugging her shoulders as if someone just asked her, “so, if someone tries to mug you or rape you, what will you do about it?”


41 posted on 01/09/2013 2:42:17 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Don't worry about the cliff. We're going to all land on some rich guy's wallet.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
This chart, for 2009, has almost everything you'd want to know about death in our country.

Deaths: Final Data for 2009

We are an accident-prone nation. Interestingly, given how people rail about "gun accidents", guns are not high on the accidental death list. First, Accidents are the 5th leading cause of death in the US, Homicides are 15th.

Of the 118,021 accidental deaths in 2009, only 564 were due to firearms. (0.5%). Seven times more people died from accidental drowning (3517).

As to the overall premise -- our INFANT MORTALITY rate is very high relative to a lot of other developed nations (our overall rank is 50th). There isn't a LOT of infant deaths, but because they represent almost 0 life expectancy, they tend to pull the averages down a lot. Our IM rate is 6 per 100,000 -- MORE than our death rate by gun homicide. Monaco is first at 1.81 per 100,000.

Our life expectancy is ranked 57th. So yes, we could do better -- but we probably have a lot more fun in our shorter lives.

42 posted on 01/09/2013 2:42:17 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: MinorityRepublican

BTW, it looks to me like the largest driver of our lower life expectancy is not our homicide rate, but our rate of car accident deaths.

We are 57th, with 12.3 deaths per 100,000 population. This is because we have lots of drivers, and we drive a lot further overall.


43 posted on 01/09/2013 2:45:56 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Red Steel

In raw numbers, we have the 4th most deaths by car accident in the world, only behind India, China, and Brazil. And India and China have a LOT more people than we do.

But yes, total gun deaths in this country is somewhat in the same ballpark, because of the large number of suicides.


44 posted on 01/09/2013 2:48:44 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: re_nortex; avacado

I don’t know the information by race, but I read that if you remove the most populated cities, all of our rates (death, accident, suicide, injury, crime, etc.) are among the best in the world.

The cities are very dangerous.


45 posted on 01/09/2013 2:51:56 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: LibLieSlayer

I believe that’s rifles specifically, not all guns.

http://beforeitsnews.com/self-sufficiency/2013/01/fbi-more-people-killed-with-hammersclubs-than-rifles-2451178.html

The Daily Mail article is still mistaken and/or dishonest on any number of points.


46 posted on 01/09/2013 2:52:18 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: LibLieSlayer

If he said that, he’s probably way wrong. My guess is he was talking about accidents, not homicides.

The 2009 CDC report shows that of our homicides, firearms are the number one cause of death, with 3.7 per 100,000; all other homicides put together are 1.7 per 100,000.

Contrary to some reports, we have very few accidental firearm deaths (564 in 2009, out of 118,000 accidental deaths).


47 posted on 01/09/2013 2:57:10 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

This what you use.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-20


48 posted on 01/09/2013 2:59:14 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: KarlInOhio
Let's say that the average age of death of those 6 people is 20 and their life expectancy would have been 80 years. So you lose 6*60=360 years of life expectancy per 100,000 people or an average of 1.3 days of life expectancy. I expect that potato chips have a greater effect.

I think your math is correct but I'm betting it only applies for one year. Don't you have to multiply by 80 or so to get the effect on you?

I'm assuming that the 6 per 100,000 is per year even though the article doesn't say so.

Even so, potato chips are probably a bigger problem.

49 posted on 01/09/2013 2:59:42 PM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: MinorityRepublican

Hey, I have an idea: Lets remove from the study all deaths occuring in cities under Democrat rule for the last 50 years.


50 posted on 01/09/2013 3:01:21 PM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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