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Biden: Obama Can Use "Executive Orders" To Act On Gun Control (video)
RealClearPolitics ^ | January 9, 2013 | RealClearPolitics

Posted on 01/09/2013 9:05:36 AM PST by i88schwartz

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To: i88schwartz

What is the penalty for treason, Joe?


51 posted on 01/09/2013 9:29:01 AM PST by skeeter
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To: i88schwartz

Just a reminder, the first time enforcement meets resistance.......

YMMV
KYPD


52 posted on 01/09/2013 9:29:44 AM PST by petro45acp (More sheepdogs please...)
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To: meyer

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


53 posted on 01/09/2013 9:30:08 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: swamprebel
"Sadly I don’t see enough people standing in the way." We're busy trying to make a living, but just give us a minute ....
54 posted on 01/09/2013 9:30:18 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: treetopsandroofs; ex91B10
The injunction would be sought and honored because of methodology...

PLEASE KEEP IN MIND:
Obamacare was passed /signed legislation that was contested on particular legal merits/flaws--
THISSS healthcare battle is not over yet either... IMO

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There is nothing in the Constitution or federal case law that permits legislation by "executive order" -- especially the lifting or disregard of fundamental rights...

If your views /predictions are true....
AND...
....A sweeping "executive order" these matters is upheld on the merits and the METHODS of infringing upon the 2nd Amendment....

Congress might as well close the doors & go home.

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This is a bear-trap that soon might capture a certain overgrown narcissistic ego--

Again... just my humble...

Everyone have a nice day

55 posted on 01/09/2013 9:31:16 AM PST by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: Mechanicos

Is there still anyone among the congresscritters that believes in the Constitution and is willing to stand up for it?


56 posted on 01/09/2013 9:31:16 AM PST by 353FMG ( I refuse to specify whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: i88schwartz
says President Obama could use "executive orders" to enact gun control measures

At the very least, he'll do something similar to what Bush 41 did, and prohibit the importation of firearms. Perhaps the importation of ammo, too.

Those who own Mosin-Nagants, SKS Carbines, etc., better have enough of the (relatively) inexpensive steel-cased ammo, to last them several lifetimes. The supply is about to dry up.

57 posted on 01/09/2013 9:31:58 AM PST by holymoly
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To: cuban leaf

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain . . .


58 posted on 01/09/2013 9:33:07 AM PST by mykroar ("I'm afraid I can't use a mule. I have several hundred up on Capitol Hill." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

“Clear video clip of him saying just that. It appears this administration is deliberately trying to provoke conflict. VERY important to let them start it first.”

Very important indeed!

Prudence is not paranoia.


59 posted on 01/09/2013 9:33:48 AM PST by petro45acp (More sheepdogs please...)
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To: USNBandit

“Meanwhile over the past 5 years the Cartels have taken over much of the interstate illegal drug trade. Most of this is being done by illegals. If the right even suggests tighter immigration enforcement against those that have broken the law to enter the U.S., we are called racist. “

Very good point. The narco traffickers blend within the illegal alien community, and yet we don’t blame the illegals for the drugs.

Why does the left want to punish law-abiding gun owners for those few who commit heinous acts with the guns. How many guns exist in America? And how many crimes are committed with guns. Only a tiny amount of guns — .001 percent? — are involved in crimes. How many people own guns? How many people commit crimes with guns? Only a time amount of people — .001 percent — of gun owners commit crimes.

I am sick of the broad brush with which gun ownership is painted in order to target a tiny segment.

There are thousands of people killed by drunk drivers each year but do I have to lose my right to drink or to drive simply because a lot of other idiots drink and drive?

The left simply doesn’t like guns, and I haven’t yet figured out why?


60 posted on 01/09/2013 9:33:48 AM PST by AtlasStalled
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To: Jack Black; Travis McGee

CW2 Ping!


61 posted on 01/09/2013 9:34:49 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: All
Err No he Cannot. He can try but it will be Treason as per the US Constitution.

Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be INFRINGED.

Someone better get a Dictionary up the the Whitehouse before they go and do something treasonous

62 posted on 01/09/2013 9:35:56 AM PST by Bailee
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To: Lazamataz
Veterans and police, do your duty.

I wonder what the ratio will be of those who will and those who won't?

63 posted on 01/09/2013 9:36:45 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: i88schwartz
And so I am reminded of the eloquent musings of Madame Pelosi........."You'll have to pass the bill to findout what's in it"

At the time I thought the nation would subsequently recognize gross stupidity in such a treacherous form of accepted public policy, but I wished for too much I suppose.

64 posted on 01/09/2013 9:37:46 AM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: GlockThe Vote
My only complaint in all of this is that there will be many law enforcement who are against disraming the public who will be forced to participate in the confiscation and be injured or killed as a result. Why not let all the gun control zealots and communists take point on this and let them be the ones to try to disarm us instead of those who may not favor this?

There comes a time when a man must choose to stand on principal and side with the righteous or bear the consequences of poor decision making. This addresses the very scenario you describe... http://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2013/01/07/bracken-dear-mr-security-agent/
65 posted on 01/09/2013 9:39:35 AM PST by 762X51
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To: i88schwartz

You may not pay for actions Joe, but your buddies in Congress are going to get it.


66 posted on 01/09/2013 9:41:09 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: petro45acp

http://www.hyoomik.com/ethics/cardinalvirtues.html

“The four cardinal virtues of Prudence, Justice, Fortitude and Temperance ... “

“But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right ... “


67 posted on 01/09/2013 9:42:28 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Nachum

Ping!


68 posted on 01/09/2013 9:42:46 AM PST by LadyBuck (Strangeways, here we come....)
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To: Bailee

“Err No he Cannot. He can try but it will be Treason as per the US Constitution.”

Errrr.... Only a natural born citizen is eligible to be POTUS.

Look how well that’s worked.


69 posted on 01/09/2013 9:43:15 AM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: i88schwartz

When the people elect a President that re-elects himself and gets away with it, bad things ahead..


70 posted on 01/09/2013 9:43:51 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude; Mechanicos
>>“The Const says he can’t”
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>But he nominates who decides what is constitutional and what isn’t. And then there is traitor Roberts...

That is blatantly incorrect -- for if the Constitution is what the [majority of] the Supreme Court says, then any dissent listed is contrary to the Constitution, and any decision based on a prior dissent is therefore also contrary the Constitution. -- Furthermore, the if the Constitution is what the Supreme Court says it is, then any restrictions placed upon the Supreme Court by the Constitution are meaningless, precisely because the court says what the Constitution means.

Your statement advocates not a rule of law, but a rule of men.

71 posted on 01/09/2013 9:44:03 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

What’s sad is that if you read Matt’s first book and watch the news in the US as of late, you’d be hard pressed to tell the difference between the two regarding what politicians say and do.


72 posted on 01/09/2013 9:44:13 AM PST by Fury
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To: i88schwartz; All

Hussein has written and signed many executive orders and congress has not contested even one. I feared he would try to do this by executive order and Biden says he will and Holder is working on this. I think congress will not contest gun control executive orders as this way gives them cover not to have to deal with it.


73 posted on 01/09/2013 9:46:04 AM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

Technically we are the final deciders of what the Constitution says, the final authority is preserved in the jury power to nullify laws even if the USSC says they are ok. Dread Scott and the Fugitive Slave Act are examples.


74 posted on 01/09/2013 9:46:52 AM PST by Mechanicos (When did we amend the Constitution for a 2nd Federal Prohibition?)
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To: i88schwartz

As I watched ABC world news last night, and Diane Sawyer bring forth Gabby Giffords, leading a disabled witness like a skilled attorney to the conclusion, Giffords pronouncement of “enough”, I realized the Media and left were in full on assualt mode. The fuse has been lit, and the left won’t let go until they prevail. They won’t debate, they won’t be reasonable, or negotiate, or compromise. I have only a small hope they can be stopped after this last election. The low information, low intelligence, emotional populace is now the Majority.


75 posted on 01/09/2013 9:47:19 AM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: meyer

With tens of thousands of firearms and millions of rounds of ammo flying off the shelves every week, We The People have already extended a middle-finger salute to the socialist democrat usurpers.


76 posted on 01/09/2013 9:48:07 AM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: Mechanicos

“Technically we are the final deciders of what the Constitution says, the final authority is preserved in the jury power to nullify laws even if the USSC says they are ok.”

Just don’t ever mention this during jury selection.


77 posted on 01/09/2013 9:48:22 AM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Marcella

You are correct. Congress has not responded to these unconstitutional EOs, e.g., the backdoor amnesty that will legalize the status of 1.8 million illegal aliens.


78 posted on 01/09/2013 9:49:04 AM PST by kabar
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To: GlockThe Vote

I am certain that there will be many in law enforcement who will be happy to confiscate guns from the law-abiding public. Perhaps even a majority.

How do you think the others will be “forced” to participate?

There’s a lot more “force” behind a driveway full of armed officers on your property than there is behind deciding if your paycheck is worth more than doing what you know to be wrong.


79 posted on 01/09/2013 9:49:39 AM PST by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: Mechanicos

His Supreme Court will say he can.


80 posted on 01/09/2013 9:49:44 AM PST by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed
A direct violation of the clear statement and intent of the Constitution is treason.

Sadly, congress is unlikely to act on such a treasonous act and ultimately America will have to appeal to a higher authority... We the People.

If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves. - Winston Churchill
81 posted on 01/09/2013 9:50:14 AM PST by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: ex91B10

Impeachment will never happen. Don’t think session will happen either.


82 posted on 01/09/2013 9:50:14 AM PST by DownInFlames
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To: i88schwartz

And who in the hell is going to stop the sockpuppet’s handlers from doing whatever they damn well please? Weeping Willow Boner? He’s probably playing golf today with the Kenyan-born illegal alien.


83 posted on 01/09/2013 9:50:50 AM PST by laweeks
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To: i88schwartz

This is sure going to end up being a painful lesson for the elitist gun control crowd. Looks like the Liberty Tree may very well get some nourishment in the near future at the rate this is devolving.


84 posted on 01/09/2013 9:50:56 AM PST by TADSLOS (I took extra credit at the School of Hard Knocks)
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To: treetopsandroofs

Yes, look right at that corrupt judge and agree to follow the law as he claims it is. Do not discuss it in the jury room either just say not convinced there was enough evidence, use the defense points.


85 posted on 01/09/2013 9:51:18 AM PST by Mechanicos (When did we amend the Constitution for a 2nd Federal Prohibition?)
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To: i88schwartz
Again, I will post this link to an important video. It's long, but it will most definitely shock you to your senses.

This video shows exactly where the radical American left is going.

I wached this video and resolved as much as I am able, and for my children, this will NOT happen on my watch or until the Lord takes me!

86 posted on 01/09/2013 9:51:38 AM PST by Obadiah (It is when a people forget God, that tyrants forge their chains.)
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To: Truth2012

“The left seems very excited to light this candle- and I wonder if they realize that there are some people who are excited about hunting zombies.”

So true. This may sound redundant, and it probably is, but in my opinion, it’s the media (liberal media like Piers Morgan, Gannett papers, NYT) that are the MOST excited and seem the most intent on whipping up the rhetoric as high and as hot as it will go. Not a surprise considering those same journalistic-like outlets have demonstrated an absolute lack of responsibility for years now.


87 posted on 01/09/2013 9:51:56 AM PST by austinaero
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To: AtlasStalled

The left simply doesn’t like guns, and I haven’t yet figured out why?


You misunderstand. They like guns just fine if they are the ones pointing them at the rest of us.
Free men are armed. Subjects are not. This is a time that will define our nation. Just how much is freedom worth? If we wait until we are unhappy subjects, there won’t be a nation.


88 posted on 01/09/2013 9:53:17 AM PST by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: austinaero

Absolutely correct. They are clearly eagerly fanning this flame. They go first!


89 posted on 01/09/2013 9:54:31 AM PST by Obadiah (It is when a people forget God, that tyrants forge their chains.)
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To: cripplecreek

Let him try. It is clearly unconstitutional for him to act as a law maker.


90 posted on 01/09/2013 9:54:31 AM PST by CityCenter (Compromise is the welcome mat to deception.)
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To: Truth29
I found it interesting how the meetings are organized. Biden is meeting with the victims of gun violence today, and the supporters of gun rights tomorrow, but Eric Holder is supposed to go today.

Shouldn't Holder attend on a third day when they are meeting with the perpetrators of gun violence?

91 posted on 01/09/2013 9:54:54 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: i88schwartz
If Obama attempts to over-ride the Constitution's Second Amendment with an executive order then the United States has a dictator who is attacking the very document he has solemnly sworn to defend.
This act of tyranny would require rebellion from those citizens who would be free.
92 posted on 01/09/2013 9:59:53 AM PST by Amagi (John "Cry Baby" Boehner is a traitorous weasel.)
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To: treetopsandroofs

If a judge tells you that you must follow the law as he gives it to you, he is lying. On that basis, a person has absolutely no reason to obey his instructions in the jury room.


93 posted on 01/09/2013 10:00:05 AM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: CityCenter

“Let him try. It is clearly unconstitutional for him to act as a law maker.”

Right, and taxation bills must originate in the House.

... unless there aren’t enough votes for the leftist agenda there, and then it can can originate in the Senate, or wherever else needed.


94 posted on 01/09/2013 10:00:24 AM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: nutmeg

see #26


95 posted on 01/09/2013 10:00:31 AM PST by Baynative (Those that work for a living are now outnumbered by those that vote for a living.)
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To: Gator113
This is not my America. My America had a constitution. This America is ruled by a damn dictator.

Realistically, where in the hell do we go from here?

You're right, Gator113: this isn't the America you were born in.

The self-proclaimed "progressives" spent the last century and longer methodically eviscerating our constitutional republic from within. It's now a "progressive" oligarchy in all but name. The Constitution now exists as a piece of parchment on exhibit in a museum. Congress and the Supreme Court have been reduced to rubber stamps for the Executive branch. The rule of law has been supplanted by the rule of cronies. We still have civil rights on paper; actually exercising them, however, has become a guessing game.

Roughly a quarter to a third of the people have voluntarily abandoned citizenship for state serfdom. They've been enticed by "free" welfare, "free" rent, "free" telephones, et cetera, and will meekly whatever they're ordered. Ironically, their votes are no longer needed: the Democratic [sic] party's shift from vote fraud to comprehensive, systematic election fraud has rendered them obsolete; ironically, their loyalty is now considerably more expensive than necessary.

I believe the oligarchy intends to unleash a "controlled" or "moderate" economic disruption as a means to justify post-constitutional legislation. If it can scare the populace badly enough, it may be able to circumvent nearly all opposition to a "national emergency rescue plan" or "temporary economic recovery measures." Between the so-called "progressives" and the crony capitalists and unions, there won't be much left for the workers and peasants.

What if the "controlled" or "moderate" economic disruption actually turns into an all-devouring economic collapse, complete with "social disorder," I'll call it in general terms? I doubt there'd be much the oligarchy could do to soften or stave off a collapse, except wish it had been more cautious.

I believe we, the people would presently restore our constitutional republic in whatever portions of the United States were still inhabitable.

96 posted on 01/09/2013 10:03:18 AM PST by Standing Wolf
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To: USNBandit
"Shouldn't Holder attend on a third day when they are meeting with the perpetrators of gun violence?"

Why? Holder meets with himself and the Fast and Furious DOJ crowd everyday.

97 posted on 01/09/2013 10:03:18 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Las Vegas Ron
My worry is ..how do we communicate with like minds once they bring down the web??

Communicating any kind of coalition at this time would be considered “a Terrorist Act”and have the Homeland Security types climbing in their windows at 3am

98 posted on 01/09/2013 10:03:52 AM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: i88schwartz

99 posted on 01/09/2013 10:05:12 AM PST by Carlucci
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To: i88schwartz

To be clear, EO’s aren’t a Progressive or Republican problem. EO’s are an equal opportunity contagion. Both parties, all modern presidents, Congress, the Supreme Court, and, yes, We the People are culpable. If we deserve better, we will beget better.
Art I, Sec 1 of the US Constitution concisely and unambiguously provides that “all legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress...” In sharp contrast, Art II specifically outlines Executive powers and duties, none of which include legislating in any form. And to checkmate an overreaching Chief Executive, Art II also provides for the impeachment and removal of not only the Chief Executive, but of any and all officers comprising the Executive Branch.
The rub: if the law intended to countermand an EO is vetoed by the President, to override that veto requires a 2/3 vote, a super majority, in both chambers of Congress, clearly a politically daunting task indeed. Of course, there is the laborious process of impeachment and removal of the offending President to remedy the executive overreach. But, again, removal would require a 2/3 majority in the Senate, a very unlikely scenario.


100 posted on 01/09/2013 10:05:34 AM PST by alphadog (2nd Bn. 3rd Marines, Vietnam, class of 68)
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