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A call for suggestions of Talking points to combat the Oppressive-Leftat.
Jan 9 2013

Posted on 01/09/2013 8:19:23 AM PST by BerserkPatriot

A national radio host made an excellent suggestion the other day that we conservatives should pursue with vigor. The Oppressive-left loves to use simple talking point slogans to hammer their lies into the publics conscious. These simpleton lies are designed to crowd out real thought and logic of the truth.

It is about time for our side to get on board and come up with our own talking point slogans we can all use to hammer the truth into them (rhetorically speaking of course)

This posting is to advance that idea and get the ball rolling.

The technique Oppressives is basically short easy memorized phrases that tare design by them to shut down debate and put us on the defensive. As a fellow denizen of the blogosphere I’m sure you come across these little talking points all over the place.

The parameters are thus: Short phrases that pack the truth in a small space.

Example: Gun Control Kills People.

The oppressives don’t like this phrase – hence they use lying phrases like ‘Gun safety’. Well, since they don’t like the phrase ‘Gun Control’ we’ll use that – adding the point that it Kills People which it does – reference the city of Chicago.

SO, IMHO here are some ideas of my own – trash them if you want, but think about better alternatives. We are battling for our country’s future here – we need to fight fire with fire. -------------------------------------------------- Labels for the Leftists:

Let’s start with the label we use for the jackals on the other side: Oppressives or oppressive-left.

Given that the Leftists like to be the folks who get to label themselves and everyone else they’ve transitioned over to the positive moniker “Progressive” - their idea is that who could be against progress and all? We all know that is a load of barack- their ideas are thinly disguised Collectivism. But they use that label to fool people into supporting their freedom destroying agenda.

So we turn that around with the use of the term Oppressive – who could be for Oppression?

It is preferable to use the word Left and Leftist and a generic term for the other side – but DON’T use the term ‘Liberal’ – again this is just another lie from n the Left- they want nothing in terms of Liberty – the root word for ‘Liberal’.

If you prefer we can get a little more detailed and have it Oppressive-Socialists or some variation.

But I for one refuse to let those petty tyrants get away with such blatantly deceptive labels. -------------------------------------------------- Labels for their ideology:

We also need to properly label their agenda – it’s Socialism plain and simple. They try to deny it all day long but they can never seem to come up with a way of differentiating their agenda from that ideology.

Of course, all the other labels for their ideology are out as there as well: Marxism, Communism, Fascism, Stalinism, Statism, Leninism, Maoist, etc. and so forth – these are all variations on the same them as Collectivism.

And just to help destroy their little Nazism lie – throw in ‘National’ along with the label Socialism, As in National Socialism or Socialist National agenda.

Again this is a Blatant lie they been perpetrating for years – it’s time to put a stop to it. -------------------------------------------------- Taxation/Debt Obama is bankrupting the country.

The Oppressives are destroying our children’s future

Does Cloward-Piven really sound like a good idea?

[Okay, getting a little long there]

Don’t Cloward-Piven our future.

Oppressives want equal redistribution of misery for everyone.

Oppressives want everyone equally enslaved. --------------------------------------------- Disarming the Innocent:

Gun Control Kills People!

People can’t protect themselves if you take away their protection.

Oppressive only want Criminals and the Feral government to have guns


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SO, IMHO here are some ideas of my own – trash them if you want, but think about better alternatives.

We are battling for our country’s future here – we need to fight fire with fire.

We need to come up with a series of talking points we all can use to hammer the Left into submission.

Have at it!

1 posted on 01/09/2013 8:19:35 AM PST by BerserkPatriot
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To: BerserkPatriot

What we need it multiple offensive fronts opened up.

At this point I think the states themselves are our only hope.


2 posted on 01/09/2013 8:22:41 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Oh, and prayer. A lot of it.


3 posted on 01/09/2013 8:25:49 AM PST by Nachum (Back on the Google blacklist- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: BerserkPatriot
Talking point: Leftists prefer dead children to armed teachers.

Talking point: The left believes that the 2nd Amendment protects the rights of criminals to murder, rape, and rob unarmed citizens.

Talking point: The left believes that no one should be allowed to possess firearms, other than the leftists.

4 posted on 01/09/2013 8:25:49 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: BerserkPatriot

Sorry about the formatting.


5 posted on 01/09/2013 8:28:01 AM PST by BerserkPatriot (Why is the Democratic National Socialist Committee waging a War on liberty?)
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To: BerserkPatriot

Everyone should have a fair shot, support the second amendment.
And to paraphrase
Sam Colt, Jefferson said all men are created equal, Sam Colt made it so.


6 posted on 01/09/2013 8:32:26 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; an EMP confined to DC would be much appreciated)
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To: Nachum

Well, have to agree with you on that – and on your other point.

But it would still help if we could frame the debate in truth instead of the lies of the Left.

Join the effort.


7 posted on 01/09/2013 8:35:23 AM PST by BerserkPatriot (Why is the Democratic National Socialist Committee waging a War on liberty?)
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To: BerserkPatriot

Obama and the Democrats! Bringing the same success they had in Detroit, Philadelphia, Illinois, Maryland, California, Cuba, Venezuela, Greece, Spain, Jonestown, Zimbabwe, etc. to America as a whole!


8 posted on 01/09/2013 8:37:08 AM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: BerserkPatriot

I like “Gun Control Kills People.”


9 posted on 01/09/2013 8:38:38 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Enterprise

Those are good – the Oppressives want to demonize supporters of Liberty – we need to throw their slimy lies right back in their faces.


10 posted on 01/09/2013 8:38:49 AM PST by BerserkPatriot (Why is the Democratic National Socialist Committee waging a War on liberty?)
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To: BerserkPatriot
I also use ridicule.

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11 posted on 01/09/2013 8:39:10 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: BerserkPatriot

Good ideas. Especially using terms like Gun Control instead of the usual liberal monikers. Conservatives need to take the lead....and not let “Oppressives” drive the discussion

Too many who profess to be conservative are way too worried about what MSNBC will think.....we see that on issues like Obama Eligibility, Illegal Aliens, Todd Akin, and also 2nd Amendment issues. I prefer your ideas than the usual PhonyCon RINO “Sean Hannity is Great American...so lets do Amnesty”


12 posted on 01/09/2013 8:41:18 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Fiscal Conservatives are Neither)
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To: qam1
"Obama and the Democrats! Bringing the same success they had in Detroit, Philadelphia, Illinois, Maryland, California, Cuba, Venezuela, Greece, Spain, Jonestown, Zimbabwe, etc. to America as a whole!"

It's a lower all boats thingie.

13 posted on 01/09/2013 8:41:26 AM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: BerserkPatriot

What the left wants:
YOUR HOUSE
YOUR MONEY
YOUR JOB
YOUR CHILDREN (living or dead)
YOUR FOOD
YOUR WATER
YOUR SOUL


14 posted on 01/09/2013 8:47:21 AM PST by MestaMachine (Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
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To: BerserkPatriot

Stalin and Hitler were for gun control...how’d that turn out?


15 posted on 01/09/2013 8:49:19 AM PST by mikelets456
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To: BerserkPatriot
HERE: "You can lead a liberal to water, but you can't make him stop from taking a leak in it."
16 posted on 01/09/2013 8:54:41 AM PST by Matchett-PI (Obama's Shuck and Jive Ends With Benghazi Lies ~ Sarah Palin)
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To: SeminoleCounty
Yes, we have to set the agenda – if we let the Oppressives do it we’re toast!

If I may be so Bold – My personal wish would be to see a competitor to Fox news – not that they don’t do a great service as far as they do….. well at least they’re better than the rest of the BSM and Oppressive propaganda outfits like the Mostly Socialist National Bull S…t Channel.

There is a dire need for another Conservative new outlet, and I dare say maybe more than one.

We need to take back the culture from the Left – or at least provide a decent alternative to the Rot they push on everyone.

17 posted on 01/09/2013 8:58:51 AM PST by BerserkPatriot (Why is the Democratic National Socialist Committee waging a War on liberty?)
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To: BerserkPatriot
The reality of what you're up against.
18 posted on 01/09/2013 8:59:55 AM PST by Matchett-PI (Obama's Shuck and Jive Ends With Benghazi Lies ~ Sarah Palin)
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To: BerserkPatriot

I think a lot more people are going to have to feel a lot more pain before they see the light.

Low information voters are insulated from the bad policies of the left because they don’t have any skin in the game.


19 posted on 01/09/2013 9:06:12 AM PST by randita
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To: BerserkPatriot

Talking point: Drugs are already illegal. How’s that working out?


20 posted on 01/09/2013 9:07:48 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! [You can vote Democrat when you're dead]...)
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To: BerserkPatriot
People must write their state house Representatives and Senators, and U.S. Congress Representatives and Senators.

Find just a few choice sentences of the good writing here at FR and include those in these letters.

You do not have to win the argument, as much as you have to present to each of those elected officials, a simple set of statements.

Call or go see your friends, and ask them to do the same.

I recommend sending this in a letter:

Various wordings of the Second Amendment were tried during its development. The end result *purposefully* leaves out any enumeration of reasons why an individual has the right to keep and bear Arms. Any reason *why* an individual may or may not keep and bear Arms, was left to the states and the people thereof, to settle among themselves.

The only enumeration in the Second Amendment focuses on what to do about a group of men under Arms - what is to happen when individuals who bear military grade Arms are in a group, and they *are* capable of exercising martial power. What *then,* was to become of that power?

The answer was, that both the states and the federal government would rely upon *the group* being formally mustered, well-regulated, well trained to Arms, well discplined, and answerable to civilian authority.

Both the states and the federal government sought unity of function and preparedness of the militia of each state. The state militiae should be "well trained to Arms" and be capable of, and mindful of, lawfully exercising martial power and respecting lawful civilian authority.

The Founding Fathers correctly anticipated that any enumerated conditions for individuals, might be used as grounds for an individual to either, be forced to bear Arms, or, be stripped of their Arms. As was the case so many times leading to wars in England and on the continent.

Explanations are plentiful throughout history, Why the people must retain a balance of military power un-infringed by, and out of reach of, government and particularly a national government.

We will not surrender our right to possess a balance of power against the tide of ever-increasing government powers and nationalizing socialist police state tendencies; nor will we surrender our rights and our means for defending our selves, our families, our property, and our liberty.


21 posted on 01/09/2013 9:10:41 AM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: BerserkPatriot

Not a talking point, but a good reference.

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2013/01/08/texas-not-the-only-state-with-a-surplus/


22 posted on 01/09/2013 9:11:58 AM PST by randita
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To: blackdog

This is why the Oppressives have to constantly change the label for their evil ideology – it fails to make the “progress” as advertised and so they have change the name to make it seem ‘new’.

[Changing the name to protect the guilty]

This is why we need to be out there tying them to their collectivist ideology whenever we can – and counteracting the lies they spew in denying the obvious connection to their Socialist National agenda.


23 posted on 01/09/2013 9:13:32 AM PST by BerserkPatriot (Why is the Democratic National Socialist Committee waging a War on liberty?)
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To: BerserkPatriot

I should add, when I say “You do not have to win the argument ...” I mean, do not fret about whether or not your effort is of any use.

You must right now, set aside any self-doubt habits of yours, and then load and fire off some basic, well-written letters.

Do it.


24 posted on 01/09/2013 9:13:41 AM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: cripplecreek

Yes, that should be part of it – the Left’s positions are so absurd that it lend itself naturally to it.


25 posted on 01/09/2013 9:18:46 AM PST by BerserkPatriot (Why is the Democratic National Socialist Committee waging a War on liberty?)
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To: BerserkPatriot

Gun control Works ~> ask the 500 dead per year in Chicago

I’m fighting bullying ~> one double-tap ,each , in my home

We arm the Islamicists and the Cartels ,
but we disarm the innocent at home !

Safety is defending myself , or waiting 8 minutes for the police to investigate.

Self Defense is as reasonable now as it was in 1776

I am an infidel and I grease my gun with pork fat


26 posted on 01/09/2013 9:22:35 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt (Disclaimer - the opinions above merely reflect the writers restricted ability to observe reality)
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To: BerserkPatriot

Leftists think it’s OK to kill babies - and do.


27 posted on 01/09/2013 9:23:56 AM PST by bopdowah ("Unlike King Midas, whatever the Gubmint touches sure don't turn to Gold!')
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To: MestaMachine

>>What the left wants:
YOUR HOUSE
YOUR MONEY
YOUR JOB
YOUR CHILDREN (living or dead)
YOUR FOOD
YOUR WATER
YOUR SOUL>>

Excellent!!!!!!!!!!!


28 posted on 01/09/2013 9:25:04 AM PST by kitkat
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To: BerserkPatriot

“Gun control kills people”

Excellent! Keep it going.


29 posted on 01/09/2013 9:27:48 AM PST by kitkat
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To: kitkat

Add “Your Health” to the list.


30 posted on 01/09/2013 9:27:47 AM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: BerserkPatriot

The Progressives Oppress Liberty.


31 posted on 01/09/2013 9:29:37 AM PST by kitkat
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To: BerserkPatriot

Yes we need a Conservative news network.....Fox News stopped being conservative a long time ago....especially its evening programs.


32 posted on 01/09/2013 9:31:47 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Fiscal Conservatives are Neither)
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To: BerserkPatriot
"it would still help if we could frame the debate in truth instead of the lies of the Left."

What allows the typical low-information liberal voter to nurture his delusions of adequacy?

33 posted on 01/09/2013 9:32:09 AM PST by Matchett-PI (Obama's Shuck and Jive Ends With Benghazi Lies ~ Sarah Palin)
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To: kitkat

Yes, hit them between the eyes with their Liberty destroying ideology – they like to live in the lie that they are advocates of Liberty.

We have to throw in right back in their faces that They are not – they are the antithesis of being ‘Liberal’.


34 posted on 01/09/2013 9:36:33 AM PST by BerserkPatriot (Why is the Democratic National Socialist Committee waging a War on liberty?)
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To: kitkat
“Gun control kills people” Excellent! Keep it going.
I like that too, but I don’t want to be too arrogant in my own creativity. It’s short and too the point, but any ideas on tweaking it would be appreciated. One alternative is Gun Control = People Control, but that might be too cerebral for the Low information voters.
35 posted on 01/09/2013 9:41:36 AM PST by BerserkPatriot (Why is the Democratic National Socialist Committee waging a War on liberty?)
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To: BerserkPatriot
"We need to take back the culture from the Left – or at least provide a decent alternative to the Rot they push on everyone."

Agreed. But you'll have to go back before Kant

36 posted on 01/09/2013 9:43:17 AM PST by Matchett-PI (Obama's Shuck and Jive Ends With Benghazi Lies ~ Sarah Palin)
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To: BerserkPatriot

“Liberal” once meant that everybody was accepted. It has circled right around to mean that only “Liberals” are acceptable. We need a phrase that shows them for the Anti-Americans that they are. I’ll start off with:

Liberals hate freedom.

Please add your own short mottoes.


37 posted on 01/09/2013 9:46:18 AM PST by kitkat
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To: BerserkPatriot

“When seconds count, the Police are minutes away.”


38 posted on 01/09/2013 9:46:52 AM PST by Wordkraft (Remember who the Collaborators are.)
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To: SeminoleCounty

Yes, I think we need several – But I would settle for one for now.


39 posted on 01/09/2013 9:53:10 AM PST by BerserkPatriot (Why is the Democratic National Socialist Committee waging a War on liberty?)
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To: kitkat

Hmmm we’re both thinking the same thing..

(Adjusts tin foil hat)

Let’s hit them between their beady little eyes with this:

Oppressives Hate Liberty.

Or

Leftists Hate Liberty.

Just seeing them go off their rockers with that would make this effort all worth it.


40 posted on 01/09/2013 9:57:32 AM PST by BerserkPatriot (Why is the Democratic National Socialist Committee waging a War on liberty?)
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To: BerserkPatriot

Politicians of both parties probably laugh when they see us up in arms over the issue du jour. They will only begin to represent us when we the people edemonstrate to them that we WILL protect and defend the Constitution if they won’t. Action is what is needed now, not words.


41 posted on 01/09/2013 10:02:50 AM PST by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: BerserkPatriot

Gun control creates victims ... ,
ask Stalin , Hitler , .. and Emmanuel

“Gun Control” Bloomburg surrounds himself with firearms
but he doesn’t want you to be able to protect yourself

Native Americans Gun control created the FEMA camps of 1876

Automatic reloading rifles conquered the West,
that’s why Commies and Liberals live in the EAST

Liberals = killing the Constitution one amendment at a time


42 posted on 01/09/2013 10:04:53 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt (Disclaimer - the opinions above merely reflect the writers restricted ability to observe reality)
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To: Wordkraft

That has always been a good one – The Oppressives don’t seem to have a good answer to it aside from the implication that they are willing to sacrifice some people to their collectivist ‘Gods’.

They can’t actually come out and say it – but they are perfectly willing to sacrifice your safety for their power.

Not sure how to form that into a compact phrase though.

BTW, I like your tag line.

Did you hear that Wal-Mart didn’t meet with our dear rulers out of a scheduling conflict – maybe they are seeing the handwriting on the ‘wal.’


43 posted on 01/09/2013 10:11:24 AM PST by BerserkPatriot (Why is the Democratic National Socialist Committee waging a War on liberty?)
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To: SeminoleCounty

When I was in New York City last fall, I turned on the TV stations to see the respective Democratic and Republican conventions .
As many as 11 stations on cable TV carried the full Democratic convention , and at one time as many as 16 channels had the Dem convention.
Only 1 channel (Foxnews , I believe )carried the Republican Convention for three hours .
My host said that I could watch any channel , other than Fox ( that says a lot about my host ).

Simply stated , the political message didn’t get out to the underinformed , or the independant voter .
We need a Conservative voice in the television broadcast media to get the message out . Anything short of that , and we will get what we got in the last election.


44 posted on 01/09/2013 10:17:09 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt (Disclaimer - the opinions above merely reflect the writers restricted ability to observe reality)
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To: First_Salute
"People must write their state house Representatives and Senators, and U.S. Congress Representatives and Senators."

Have you ever written a letter to a congresscritter? If you haven't then I can already tell to you the response that you will get:

You'll get a form letter that will state, more or less, "We appreciate your concern over ( fill in the blank ). Please fill out the enclosed form so that you can donate to my next election."

45 posted on 01/09/2013 10:55:13 AM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: BerserkPatriot

“(Adjusts tin foil hat)”

Tin foil hats actually enhance mind-control capability! They work like antennas! :-)


46 posted on 01/09/2013 10:59:18 AM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: Matchett-PI

Is that blog yours?
Sparkling prose there:

“The next time some cliche-ridden boob says to you, “perception is reality,” know that they are a metaphysically retarded son or daughter of Kant.”

“...if your only tool is a rhetorical hammer, you will treat everything as an ideological nail.”

Thanks for the lead!
spank


47 posted on 01/09/2013 11:03:33 AM PST by spankalib (The downside of liberty is the need to tolerate those who despise it.)
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To: BerserkPatriot

Example:
Assault weapons are made for killing many people.

Response: Is that why the police have them? To kill many people?


48 posted on 01/09/2013 11:03:33 AM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
I like “Gun Control Kills People.”

You print that and liberals only see "Guns Kill."

Tax cuts = Tax cuts for rich.

Low Information Establishment voters are not easy to reach. We need to tell the LIE voters the truth.

49 posted on 01/09/2013 11:10:06 AM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: SeminoleCounty
.Fox News stopped being conservative a long time ago

Bingo! I have been totally News free since November 1st. I switched through that channels the other night and saw Hannity was on, but it was a rerun or at leas it looked like one.

If they say anything important (highly unlikely) it will be posted here or I won't know about it.

50 posted on 01/09/2013 11:24:33 AM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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