Django.WhiteHut.gove Petition must be addressed if it gets 9,049 more signatures

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[CharlesWayneCT]

BTW, if you want to understand how the petition process actually "works", you should go to this link:

Message: President Obama about your petitions to reduce gun violence

This link provides the government "response" to the 25,000-signature threshold for 32 different petitions regarding the gun violence issue, of which the petition mentioned above would be a part, if it had been filed earlier -- there are many petitions listed in this response that had fewer signatures.

These 32 petitions included leftist petitions to get rid of guns, and petitions we would support about putting armed guards in schools.

The "response" to all is Obama's boilerplate that we need to ban assault weapons. Yes, if you got 25,000 signatures, or even if you hadn't, but just had submitted this petition earlier, this petition would have been part of the group for which the response was to take away our 2nd amendment rights.

Anybody looking at that page linked above, seeing all the signatures on all the petitions, and reading the response, would recognize how useless this petition is, and what a waste of time it is to keep pushing it on Free Republic.

BTW, among the petitions addressed on the link:

1. Stop any legislation that will ban "assualt weapons", semi-automatic rifles or handguns and high capacity magazines. - 31,094 signatures
2. Place Security Guards in Schools Nationwide: The Safe & Sound Schools Initiative - 2991 signatures
3. Allow individual School Districts and/or schools the ability to train staff to be School Marshalls. - 1999 signatures
4. Keep guns in America! No weapons ban! - 4334 signatures
5. Employ competent veterans as armed security guards for America's schools - 2568 signatures
6. hire military veterans as armed resource officers in all public schools throughout America. - 2252 signatures
7. No More Gun Control - 3519 signatures
8. Stop Demonizing Guns - 1270 signatures
9. End the gun free zones and we the people demand a vote on the Citizens Protection Act H.R. 2613 - 5499 Signatures

What these all have in common is that they call for things we would WANT. The petition in this article calls for a thing we DON'T want. If people wanted to sign a petition, they should have signed that last one listed, that called for elimination of gun free zones.

But it still is a waste -- Obama used that petition to call for an assault weapons ban, and to say that anybody that disagrees with him is unreasonable (with his typical "REASONABLE PEOPLE would agree..." statements).

[MurrietaMadman]

Responding somewhat in similar fashion.

But the petition offers no resistance. It will get no more coverage than an op-ed to a local paper, and it capitulates to the idea of Gun Free Zones by calling for the "elite" to live by them, rather than calling for the abolishing of Gun Free Zones.

The petition, as I see it, is an avenue of resistance. Those who sign it are offering the resistance. I doubt any signer expects the leftist elite to bend to our wishes on the basis of this petition anymore than we would expect them to respond to a petition to abolish Gun Free Zones. It is one more way to tell them to back off. Surely you can see the value in that. If you don't think they are tracking the numbers and the steady manner the numbers are accumulating you are fooling yourself.

My assertion is that our calling for an end to armed protection for them, not in the same deceptive way the leftist elite is calling for our disarmament, has more Constituional footing than they'll ever have as established by the Bill of Rights.

Encouraging Americans to address authority is hardly like encouraging kids to do mindless tasks to appreciate the environment. I have friends who have been involved in various political issues who had a do not cross line because they feared being on a list. We were not meant to live like that. Our Constitution stipulates the power belongs to the people, not to those who slither into political office and corrupt the American Way until we're graduating socialists from elementary school and Middle America rubs their eyes one day, looks around and suddenly feels like strangers in a very strange land.

You keep saying this petition is a waste of time. You suggest instead "...they focus on something useful, like writing their members of congress, speaking at their local school board, writing op-eds, commenting on articles in the paper, and sending money to groups that actually are working on the problem." as if people who would sign this petition aren't doing such things.

But what makes you think such activities are not also a waste of time? Do you have the same advice for those who do indulge in such pastimes? Aren't those methods merely avenues of resistance also?

And to respond to your BTW post, I did look into the subjects of previous petitions and did notice the various leftist demands and I never thought I'd be signing one of these petitions.

This one caught my fancy. Someone pointed out the alinski-ness of it's nature and for that alone, I would value it. But having a direct means of communication available where thousands can express their unique American nature to those who are trying to kill it is, like the credit card company says, priceless.

[CharlesWayneCT]

You just have to realize that a thread similar to this gets posted every day, sometimes twice a day, and often by people who chastise others for not signing.

An op-ed is an attempt to educate other people who might read the op-ed. A letter to a congressman, if combined with thousands of others, has been shown to influence their vote. I’ve seen the NRA convert votes in the house and senate, and I’ve seen other groups also get politicians to sway their way, so giving money to organizations seems also to be useful.

I don’t oppose resistance, I just don’t find useless resistance useful, nor am I a fan of “sending a message” by calling for actions we oppose in the hopes that people will notice the irony.

[MurrietaMadman]

Any resistance to evil is useful.