Posted on 01/07/2013 7:15:36 PM PST by BushMeister
I'd be in favor of this -- as for the gov't "knowing" -- there are somewhere between 200 million and 400 million firearms in the USA. If Obama declares himself President For Life, he can just start a house-to-house search at #1 on any street and keep going. In 1000 years, they might manage to find a lot of them.
“Nothing would have to be reported if ther was no tax on an item for anyone and the government is not involved.”
If the government is giving a subsidy using any method, they are involved and they will know who got the subsidy.
It just so happened, I “had” to buy a car (too much money to fix the one I had and it was 16 years old) during the cash for clunkers program and that car fit that profile, so I used that. There was a raft of federal government papers to fill out and these papers went to the federal government. It will be the same with a subsidy for a safe - they will know you got that safe and know you have guns.
I can see a reason for a safe if you have many guns and keep one or two ready to use outside the safe. However, the government will know you have that safe.
The number of guns stolen annually is estimated at about 225,000 in the WSJ article linked below, although I have seen much higher estimates. It would be nice to see that figure reduced, but I admit that involving the Fed has a number of drawbacks.
Here's a stat from the WSJ article that troubles me: in 1993, 54% of households said they owned guns, while that figure is only 41% as of 2010. Urban dwellers, immigrants, liberals coming of age and starting their own families, etc. are part of that erosion. I'd love to see any policies that could be a part of reversing that trend.
The subsidy would be blind, NO TAX on gun safes. In my mind it wouldn’t be a subsidy at all, NO polltax, NO tax on firearms ammunition or gunsafes. just like a cash sale now on ammunition only NO TAX. The biggest flaw in this is that it makes too much sense and it is too simple. We could complicate it by limiting the NO TAX to American made products but trade agreements in place wouldn’t allow that.
Unless I filled my subsidized safe with gold and silver.
Would that be fraud to use my gooberment-subsidized gun safe for precious metals, important documents and family photos? lol
You are being naive - there is no way the feds would help people buy a safe and not know who got those safes. They would have a way to know who had guns and they would never pass up a chance of being able to know that.
“Here’s a stat from the WSJ article that troubles me: in 1993, 54% of households said they owned guns, while that figure is only 41% as of 2010. Urban dwellers, immigrants, liberals coming of age and starting their own families, etc. are part of that erosion. I’d love to see any policies that could be a part of reversing that trend”
Gun safety taught in schools would go a long way towards reversing that, especially if it involved actual firing of guns and shooting competition. I do realize what the chances are of that happening.
“Would that be fraud to use my gooberment-subsidized gun safe for precious metals, important documents and family photos? lol”
You only got that subsidized safe because you had to sign it was for guns and that’s the problem. If they take our guns, they show up at your door because you signed you have guns to put in that safe. If you don’t have guns, they definitely would slap you in jail for fraud AFTER they tore your house up looking for guns.
Some of the posters on this thread do not understand the US Attorney General Eric Holder hates your guts and wants every gun owner separated from his guns if it takes killing him to do it - they will say you resisted so they had to snuff you out. Think Waco and Ruby Ridge.
I make the joke. My point was that every gooberment-subsidized program is rife with fraud. SS, Medicare and Medicade have up to 45% fraudulent claims and the majority are never caught.
How many of the “gun crimes” in the past several years would have been prevented by this program?
None that I am aware of.
I only own one gun, I have a place to keep it already, I call it a night stand.
Washington State exempts gun safes from sales tax - about 8.33%, BUT you have to fill out a form that it is a gun safe so they know you have guns.
Best to buy one in Oregon - no sales tax - if you are near the border.
Just what I want...a free & registered Gubmint Gun Safe that they can haul away when confiscation commences!
“I gots me mah free obama gun safe!”
so the left could look at tax returns and look to see who owns such a safe?
So INvoluntary bankruptcies can be forced on people and their tax returns examined and firearms taken?
so the left could look at tax returns and look to see who owns such a safe?
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