Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Paedophilia: bringing dark desires to light (normalizing pedophilia)
UK Guardian ^ | 1/2/13 | Hohn Henley

Posted on 01/07/2013 10:06:13 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks

The Jimmy Savile scandal caused public revulsion, but experts disagree about what causes paedophilia - and even how much harm it causes

In 1976 the National Council for Civil Liberties, the respectable (and responsible) pressure group now known as Liberty, made a submission to parliament's criminal law revision committee. It caused barely a ripple. "Childhood sexual experiences, willingly engaged in with an adult," it read, "result in no identifiable damage … The real need is a change in the attitude which assumes that all cases of paedophilia result in lasting damage."

It is difficult today, after the public firestorm unleashed by revelations about Jimmy Savile and the host of child abuse allegations they have triggered, to imagine any mainstream group making anything like such a claim. But if it is shocking to realise how dramatically attitudes to paedophilia have changed in just three decades, it is even more surprising to discover how little agreement there is even now among those who are considered experts on the subject.

A liberal professor of psychology who studied in the late 1970s will see things very differently from someone working in child protection, or with convicted sex offenders. There is, astonishingly, not even a full academic consensus on whether consensual paedophilic relations necessarily cause harm.

So what, then, do we know? A paedophile is someone who has a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children. Savile appears to have been primarily an ephebophile, defined as someone who has a similar preferential attraction to adolescents, though there have been claims one of his victims was aged eight.

But not all paedophiles are child molesters, and vice versa: by no means every paedophile acts on his impulses, and many people who sexually abuse children are not exclusively or primarily sexually attracted to them.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; pedophilia
Sick!
1 posted on 01/07/2013 10:06:20 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Clint N. Suhks

demonic


2 posted on 01/07/2013 10:10:43 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Clint N. Suhks
This is what is next on the prog agenda once the homo normalization fight is won. It will begin with a "grassroots" assault on Age of Consent Laws.

Unless something changes, they will win this fight too.

3 posted on 01/07/2013 10:13:03 AM PST by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Clint N. Suhks

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2765386/posts

Are Mental Health Professionals Working to Normalize Pedophilia? (Just like Homosexuality in 1973)


4 posted on 01/07/2013 10:13:37 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Clint N. Suhks; All
All part of the commie agenda/manifesto.

Rule # 26 (among others)
Present homosexuality and promiscuity as normal and healthy.

The "desensitizing" of the sheeple continues.

5 posted on 01/07/2013 10:25:37 AM PST by Jane Long (Philippians 2:11)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Clint N. Suhks
experts disagree about what causes paedophilia...

Here's the deal. Women are women. They look, smell, and have hair like women. Girls are girls. They look, smell, and have no hair like girls. Girls are beautiful for all sorts of reasons, but when they turn into women, the magic begins. A male cannot be a real man until he loves or makes love to a woman, and loves her for the woman, rather than the girl, she is. Hope that clears things up, try the veal, tip your waiter.
6 posted on 01/07/2013 10:25:55 AM PST by golux (man)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Clint N. Suhks

There’s nothing normal in paedophilia. All paedophiles should be taken to the nearest gallows.


7 posted on 01/07/2013 10:26:01 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Children, pets, and slaves get taken care of. Free Men take care of themselves.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Clint N. Suhks
The Jimmy Savile scandal caused public revulsion, but experts disagree about what causes paedophilia - and even how much harm it causes
Jimmy Savile preyed on dying patients at a hospice, cops have found.
8 posted on 01/07/2013 10:27:10 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jboot
The same goes for consanguinity laws.
9 posted on 01/07/2013 10:28:24 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Clint N. Suhks

There are only three good things about overt and unapologetic degeneracy in a decadent culture.

First is that this usually signals the imminent demise of the decadent culture; it is too depleted or conflicted to survive for more than a few decades at most.

Second is that collapse and rebirth is usually accompanied with a shortened roster of participants.

The third is that cycles tend to be long.


10 posted on 01/07/2013 10:32:36 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Capitol to the districts: "May the odds be ever in your favor.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jane Long

Communism+Hollywood+Islam


11 posted on 01/07/2013 10:32:48 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Clint N. Suhks

NAMBLA has been lobbying for a long time to lower legal age it causes “lots of legal issues to its members and their chosen lifestyles”.


12 posted on 01/07/2013 10:38:14 AM PST by edcoil (Manage your own lawsuit: www.jurisdictionary.com?refercode=KK0012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Clint N. Suhks

We said this would happen when they tried to normalize homosexuality. When you normalize one mental illness it opens the door to normalizing others.


13 posted on 01/07/2013 10:38:41 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Clint N. Suhks

This is so sick and demented on so many levels? Can they sink any lower?

Well of course they can and will.


14 posted on 01/07/2013 10:39:07 AM PST by Patriot365
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jane Long
BBC told put more gay presenters on children’s TV
15 posted on 01/07/2013 10:42:13 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: fishtank
Communism+Hollywood+Islam

Yes...

Karl Marx -> ALL ISMs (Socialism, Communism, Feminism, etc.) -> MSM -> Hollywood -> Islam

All working together for "the greater good".

16 posted on 01/07/2013 10:44:21 AM PST by Jane Long (Philippians 2:11)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Clint N. Suhks

You’re surprised at this?


17 posted on 01/07/2013 10:46:12 AM PST by lurk
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: golux

Its not about love.

Its about lust, power, and destruction of innocence.


18 posted on 01/07/2013 10:58:18 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Clint N. Suhks

I always tell these sick liberals who still pretend to oppose pedophilia that I can get them to fess up to their support for sexual activity involving children. I then ask them if they support laws that dismiss sex between two minors, and ask them if they support handing out condoms and other birth control methods to children.


19 posted on 01/07/2013 11:05:15 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: golux

In your example you assumed the situation of adult women vs. little girls, and men as the partner. This movement definitely involves men buggering little boys as well.

Hey, if people from other countries in here illegally stealing jobs can be turned into sympathetic heroes, I guess child molesters are next.

What the hell is this article even talking about, regarding “consensual” relationships with children? The 8 year old makes a decision to have sex with an adult?


20 posted on 01/07/2013 11:07:30 AM PST by Williams (No Obama)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Clint N. Suhks

In all fairness, society has tried to gradate sexuality with minors: adults with young children, extremely bad; adults with older children, or older children with young children, or young children with young children, bad; older children with older children, questionable; and as soon as children turn 16 or 18, they can do what they want, depending on where they live.

While most people are satisfied with these grades of offense, more or less, they obviously have some real problems.

To start with, minor children are to a great extent legal chattels of their parents. The law sees them both as property and as having considerable monetary value to their parents.

So a stranger having sex with children is often considered not just rape, since minors cannot legally agree to have sex; but it is also considered as theft and vandalism. And if pregnancy or disease results there could be significant and extensive costs, both financial and personal.

Add on top of that children maturing at very different rates, and the law can seem bizarre, in that one person may not be physically, emotionally or financially ready to have sex until their 20’s, which others might be in many ways mature at age 16 (at least according to several states.)


21 posted on 01/07/2013 11:09:22 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jane Long
Present homosexuality and promiscuity as normal and healthy.

Once the family structure is destroyed and only temporary liasions exist, the basic human need for love, community and legacy can be fulfilled by government.

22 posted on 01/07/2013 11:10:17 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
To start with, minor children are to a great extent legal chattels of their parents. The law sees them both as property and as having considerable monetary value to their parents.

Your posit fails to account for the current state of humanity, where children do not have parents, are treated as cattle by the state and have no monetary value until they are working age...until then, you can abort them, dispose of them and leave them in childcare as much as you like.

23 posted on 01/07/2013 11:13:46 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Clint N. Suhks

Step one was to make homosexuality the “norm”. Then they sell it to the kids through TV (e.g. Glee), young adult fiction, and music. Make all types of “sexuality” cool and just a part of your unique behavior like the choice of shoes.

Then when they get them thinking about nothing but sex and how anything and everything is “ok”, then the child molesters move in because now “all love is equal” now.


24 posted on 01/07/2013 11:14:25 AM PST by VanDeKoik
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Clint N. Suhks
"Childhood sexual experiences, willingly engaged in with an adult"...

As if the child could give infomed consent. To act as though this loathsome perversion should be even considered normal?

The only contemplation this deserves is to throw the person suggesting it into lifelong prison, and how the actual perpetrator should be tortured to death.

25 posted on 01/07/2013 11:22:09 AM PST by onedoug
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: fwdude

“I always tell these sick liberals who still pretend to oppose pedophilia that I can get them to fess up to their support for sexual activity involving children.”

The thing is that they cant! If they are all for gay marriage and for normalizing all of the other sexual kinks that are at your usual gay parade then they have no ability to draw a line anywhere on anything. What would be their rationale, that THIS particular thing is immoral? Immoral according to whom? The church that they rejected and attacked because they saw homosexuality as immoral? Without that it’s all just a question of time before those freaks start to assert their “rights” as an “oppressed minority” like the homos did.


26 posted on 01/07/2013 11:22:42 AM PST by VanDeKoik
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: VanDeKoik

LGBT is itself outrageous. Lesbian and gay, ok that’s been around forever. But they had to add bisexual (How is that deserving of political protection?) and especially “transgender”. So the movement includes people with a very clear and serious psychological disorder.

And regarding child abuse, don’t forget you already have parents deciding their little kids are “transgender”.


27 posted on 01/07/2013 11:23:52 AM PST by Williams (No Obama)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Clint N. Suhks

This is what happens when the homosexuals take over the media and the Psychiatric Associations.


28 posted on 01/07/2013 11:30:25 AM PST by Obadiah (Flirtin' with Disaster)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Comment #29 Removed by Moderator

To: Clint N. Suhks

The Guardian has been pushing pedophile pieces lately.

The perverts on staff must be having a hard time containing their fantasies. Probably off their meds too.


30 posted on 01/07/2013 11:38:42 AM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Psycho_Bunny

One a day?

Is that all?

:p


31 posted on 01/07/2013 11:38:42 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Obadiah
This is what happens when the homosexuals Marxists take over the media and the Psychiatric Associations.

Fixed it.

32 posted on 01/07/2013 11:39:26 AM PST by Jane Long (Philippians 2:11)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Williams

“And regarding child abuse, don’t forget you already have parents deciding their little kids are “transgender”.”

I came across a show (cant remember the name, and I think on Showtime) where the plot of the episode was partially about how the dad’s “transgender” son (he wore a dress the whole episode) was involved in a playground incident where he was caught trying to kiss another boy. It was later found that this other boy WANTED to kiss the “transgender” kid!

And it was all treated like it was a big nothing!!

I was like REALLY?!?!


33 posted on 01/07/2013 11:43:14 AM PST by VanDeKoik
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Clint N. Suhks

Yes. . and BS, too; and that’s an insult to bulls. Maybe it’s SS (for SKUNK); but then even skunks are above that. - I’m sick of the “experts” and their “concensuses”.


34 posted on 01/07/2013 11:52:09 AM PST by Twinkie (The earth is the Lord's, and the fullness thereof; the world and they that dwell therein. Ps. 24:1)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Clint N. Suhks

This is the normal end of homosexual “Rights”. Anyone who advocates “homosexual” rights is embracing man/child sex. You destroy the whole premise that there exists “choice” in sexual activity which is ALWAYS a chosen behavior when it goes against nature-—it is worldview of human nature. Is there a God—or are we just base animals who have no moral aspect and no Reason—Homosexual “Rights” destroys all moral religions in the minds of children who are forced to think Sodomy is a “Right” and “Good” will realize that the Bible is cr*p.

Public Schools and MSM is normalizing perversion-—through BF Skinner techniques to flip the natural, normal sexual development of children.

Sex Ed in schools was designed by Lukacs and the Cultural Marxists like Marcuse to destroy Christian Ethics—which will destroy Western Civilization and return it to the pagan/occult/Nazi worldview where human beings are means to an end. (Immoral in USA Law and Judeo-Christian Ethics.

Think about it-—we NEVER had sex ed in schools until 1970 in the USA-—Europe got it earlier to destroy Christian Ethics and worldview . Weimar Republic was the first to destroy the innocence of children—and they had homosexuals found boy scout groups in the late 1800’s.

Sugar John Maynard Keynes-—look him up-—he bragged about his homosexual orgies where he passed around little boys-—even castrated some and laughed. These are the Leftists, Marxists, Freemason, Fabian Socialist, Hollywood Producers, Bolsheviks—mentality-—is has always been about getting the boys. Look at Glee and giggle. Sodomy is so cute and such an elevated activity-—just like it was in Ancient Greece and Afghanistan today—where women are just good for breeding and used to incubate a baby and then sell it to two men to condition and shape into their homosexual worldview-—which HAS to be done-—this conditioning to pervert the mature, normal development of children. Sexual objects can be taught and reinforced-—perversions always—but easy to corrupt vulnerable, trusting children whose reality becomes what they view. They accept it—won’t question what they learn as children—it is embedded. That is why Jerry Brown and the homosexuals are training now in Kindergarten—to shape the reality of YOUR children and grandchildren with the help of all media.

Children exposed to the idea that Sodomy is “good” will have the worldview of Afghanistan boys-—they will not embrace the Christian Worldview which formed Western Civilization which created the Age of Reason and the Enlightenment-—because their ideology is irrational and unnatural-—throws out Common Sense and destroys Truth—Laws of Nature.

It is an “orientation” which is genetic——is garbage-—just like any “behavior” can not be controlled by moral character as even Stoics proved. The founder of the Communist, homosexual movement was sodomized as a boy and loved it and the normalization of perversion which includes sex with boys (endgame)—was founded-—and promoted by the Hollywood pederasts (Corey Feldmen) to make young people believe (emotionally) that sex is “good” outside marriage-—with any Tom, Dick and Harry, if it is consensual. Disregard all Truth, of course, and all the Wisdom from more than 2000 years of history which proves that no restraint in sex, destroys cultures. Particularly vulnerable are children exposed to sexual perversion and Sex Ed as Lukacs and the Marxists knew in the 30’s to destroy Christian Ethics which they did in Europe and is finishing up in America-—to collapse culture—collapse Reason-—so that we are so dumbed down and involved in meaningless acts which destroy all relationships and the intellectual/emotional development of children and corrupts them-—as it is reinforced in most media.

This is the “Ends” of the Leftist/Marxist movement to corrupt and destroy Christian Ethics. It has always been a War between God and Man.

So many of people do not understand that when you put “Gay Pride” in the schools and normalize homosexuality by showing boys “kissing” as “Good”—you are destroying Judeo-Christian morality and inserting the old pagan, Luciferian worldview where homosexual orgies and sodomy with boys was elevated activity-—above heterosexuality—as in Ancient Greek culture, Samurai, Middle Eastern and Asian cultures. This godless activity—was prevalent in ALL cultures-—it was the Jews and then the Christians that removed homosexuality/pederasty and Slavery as “Good”

We are in a Worldview War-—Culture War-—and our children’s minds are being corrupted as I speak even in Kindergarden and every time you even watch Sesame Street with Elmo teaching little boys what is “normal”.


35 posted on 01/07/2013 11:57:07 AM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BuffaloJack

Yes, they should but this country hasn’t the balls to do it. Every last one of these freaks should be shot dead.

The recidivism rate for these monsters is through the roof.


36 posted on 01/07/2013 11:59:16 AM PST by warsaw44
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: VanDeKoik
Their almighty criterion is "consent," which is as changeable as a legislature. Otherwise, how can there be different legal ages for "consent" to sexual conduct in different states (Massachusetts sets it at 15!!!!)

Again, ask liberals if they oppose sexual activity among children, considering that they campaign endlessly to provide contraception and abortion (without parental consent) to them. Their eventual answer, if you keep the pressure on them, will be revealing.

37 posted on 01/07/2013 12:04:23 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Clint N. Suhks

“normalizing pedophilia”?

You know like it already is in every other place on this planet EXCEPT America.. Few places (except in america) even record child abuse let alone pedophilia.. That is the cases that even GET reported..

Only in America do people really care about pedophilia..
If a country(person) supports ABORTION.. pedophilia is chump change.. nobody dies..


38 posted on 01/07/2013 12:06:35 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Clint N. Suhks

One more point to add to what has already been said. There are desires and there are actions. I may desire to eat 20 candy bars in one sitting. However I choose not to do so. It seems pretty obvious to me that the writer of the original article has no concept of what should be a fairly obvious point. One of the functions of being a civilized society is to create a situation where every desire is not acted upon. It seems to me that there are supposedly educated and intelligent people who cannot grasp this fairly fundamental point.


39 posted on 01/07/2013 12:07:22 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Clint N. Suhks

I just don’t see how it could not hurt them? Unless they are lumping all what could be considered sex with children together? There is a vast difference between a child under the age of 13 and a grown man or an 19 yo man and a 16 yo girl....


40 posted on 01/07/2013 12:17:54 PM PST by chris_bdba
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Clint N. Suhks

So sick and unholy, I can’t read the entire article.
It’s full of crap.


41 posted on 01/07/2013 12:24:02 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Clint N. Suhks

This issue will divide libertarians.


42 posted on 01/07/2013 12:43:13 PM PST by ansel12
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Erik Latranyi

Actually, just the opposite is true, and even *more* insidious. That is, in one way or another, children are assigned as property to one or more adults. Children without a “legal guardian” are in effect, runaway slaves.


43 posted on 01/07/2013 3:36:34 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson