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Black and Latino firefighter hopefuls get a second chance to join the FDNY
NY Daily News ^ | january 6, 2013 | Ginger Adams Otis

Posted on 01/06/2013 9:03:11 AM PST by lowbridge

They coulda' been contenders — and now they have a second chance.

Nearly 300 black and Latino firefighter candidates who didn’t score high enough to join the FDNY in 1999 and 2002 are getting a rare opportunity take their entrance exams again.

They’ll sit for the FDNY written exam Friday, and an intense physical fitness test will follow later.

If they can rack up passing grades on both, the job with generous pension, sick pay and other benefits could be within their grasp.

The break is part of a controversial ruling from Brooklyn Judge Nicholas Garaufis, who in July found the FDNY guilty of discrimination after a group of black firefighters and the Vulcan Society successfully challenged the methodology of its entrance exams.

Garaufis ordered the city to pay $187 million in damages.

He also found that 186 blacks and 107 Latinos who took the ’99 and ’02 tests might have made the grade had the process been different, and compelled the city to find as many of them as possible and give them another shot regardless of age — even those over 40. Usually the FDNY won’t allow anyone older than 29 to sit for an exam, with an exception for those in the military.

Many of the Bravest were outraged by the decision, which could catapult these latter-day candidates ahead of firefighters already on the job.

(Excerpt) Read more at nydailynews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: fdny; firefighters

1 posted on 01/06/2013 9:03:18 AM PST by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge

Hey New York City, New Jersey! These guys will be the ‘first responders’ to the next Sandy aftermath....

I bet you’re all warm and cozy now, huh?


2 posted on 01/06/2013 9:06:20 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: lowbridge
Judge Nicholas Garaufis, who in July found the FDNY guilty of discrimination
Nominated by President Clinton ...

... not that there's anything wrong with that.
3 posted on 01/06/2013 9:13:43 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven

What gets me is that people like him don’t even get theat their decisions are racist. He assumes Black and Latino people just can’t pass a test, so whites have to bend down and help their burden.

There was a time when such big city PDs and FDs were racist and refused to hire minorities who had passed the tests with flying colors. Powerful unions kept their membership exclusive. Now, society has flipped that bigotry on its head.


4 posted on 01/06/2013 9:20:07 AM PST by Clock King
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To: lowbridge

The dumbing down of America continues.


5 posted on 01/06/2013 9:31:54 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: Clock King
There was a time when such big city PDs and FDs were racist and refused to hire minorities who had passed the tests with flying colors. Powerful unions kept their membership exclusive. Now, society has flipped that bigotry on its head.

Care to give specific examples?

6 posted on 01/06/2013 9:32:20 AM PST by JohnG45
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To: lowbridge

He also found that 186 blacks and 107 Latinos who took the ’99 and ’02 tests might have made the grade had the process been different,

I could have been an NFL quarterback had skill, size and ability qualifications been different........


7 posted on 01/06/2013 9:37:37 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: lowbridge

Affirmative-action first-responders.

I’m thinking there’s an oxymoron in there somewhere.


8 posted on 01/06/2013 9:51:48 AM PST by moovova
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To: Clock King

And the ability of these FDNY crews to suppress and put out fires shall decline proportionately. There was a REASON that a fitness requirement was put in the list of qualifications for training as a fire fighter, and it has nothing to do with race, gender or college GPA scores.

It has everything to do with being able to put out fires. With dispatch and with minimal losses to life.

Darwinian selection may manage to remove a few of these of lesser abilities, but unfortunately, their failure could seriously threaten the lives and capabilities of much better qualified individuals, and also the victims of these conflagrations.


9 posted on 01/06/2013 10:05:01 AM PST by alloysteel (Bronco Bama - the cowboy who whooped up and widened the stampede.)
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To: alloysteel

Fire and Police Departments have been fighting this BS for at least 40 years.

They dumb down the tests until an idiot could pass and even then they cannot get their quota’s. Some come up with a residency requirement and some have Cadet programs in schools.

They hire the habdicapped and then the handicapped need more help and more quotas for promotion. They end up destrpying the Fire service and then they wonder why.

Been there seen it done, watched the greatest Fire Dept. in the world turn to sh$t.


10 posted on 01/06/2013 10:13:34 AM PST by Venturer
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To: lowbridge
i would LOVE to see the questions they answered wrong...
11 posted on 01/06/2013 10:36:09 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: lowbridge

they’re 10-13 years older now, the physical fitness test ain’t going to be any easier now.


12 posted on 01/06/2013 11:30:59 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

they’re 10-13 years older now, the physical fitness test ain’t going to be any easier now.

well they’ll get a free pass ,have a month on the job ,then retire with full pension


13 posted on 01/06/2013 11:35:50 AM PST by molson209
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To: Chode

one of the questions
when a fire alarms sounds a fire person needs to put on these items
a list of 8 items is presented in the order designated.. ex: gloves, coat, hat,oxygen tank, etc. They are in order, 1-8
There are 4 multiple choice answers. A,B, C,or D
Now the question. After putting on your hat(example) what is the next item you need put on. I kid you not.


14 posted on 01/06/2013 11:48:52 AM PST by capt B
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To: Chode

Google “NYFD test questions” they are real. you’ll get a good laugh


15 posted on 01/06/2013 11:54:45 AM PST by capt B
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To: capt B
just damn...
16 posted on 01/06/2013 12:09:05 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: lowbridge
Paging Mr. Darbyshire!

The ‘cognitively challenged’ get yet another free-be.

Note what this particular member of the Government Trough Feeder class has to say, in his own words:
““My score when I took the test in 1999 was an 88, so I passed. But I was told that if you don’t get at least a 90, don’t waste your time. I never got a call back. I was upset about it, but you have to move on. I went to transit and became a bus driver.

Note carefully - this minority Trough Feeder, having failed to get a government job because he couldn't pass the minimum requirements on a written test, didn't get a job as a private sector driver.

No, NO! This wannabe Trough Feeder became a government bus driver. He became a Government bus driver, not a commercial, real world, bus driver.

Trough Feeder Person wanted more than the private sector was willing to pas for his skills. So, Mr. Trough Feeder enlisted the unions and government to extort from the taxpayers more than he was worth on the free market.

Now, with the help of a collectivist judge, he may still become a fire fighter - a job for which he is simply not smart enough to qualify for in a competition where race is not a mandated factor.

Pray for his fellow fire fighters who will be forced to work with this member of a priveleged group of the “cognitively challenged”

17 posted on 01/06/2013 12:16:10 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: JohnG45
History of Black Firefighters

Black Firefighter History

Let me just say, that I pulled my statements out of memory from the 80's when issues were being discussed around the water cooler. In Chicago, it was well know that people who had passed the tests were not promoted or hired.

My whole point was that Black people, in the past, have been more than willing to meet any challenge put before them, and conquer it, even if it was unfair. What happened with the introduction of progressive politics resulted in a form of mental laziness. And now it is even worse: reverse discrimination.

What conservatives need to do is stop pretending discrimination didn't exist, because progressive statists maintain a hold on minorities by constantly dredging up old grievances. What we need to remind minorities is that they(we) have never shied away from a challenge, and that America responds correctly when ability is proven.

18 posted on 01/06/2013 1:07:10 PM PST by Clock King
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To: lowbridge

Where they given cheat sheets to pass the test??


19 posted on 01/06/2013 3:12:27 PM PST by bikerman (What ever happens from now is all OBAMA's fault. Obama lied,economy died)
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To: Secret Agent Man

The final physical testing, I think it’s called CPAT, is brutal. I have heard of some smug young guys....they pass the written and entry physical, go through all the training - including practice training for the CPAT, then they ended up failing the final physical tests. These were fit young men.

In our local FD, I’ve heard that they can’t even get a black person to sign up for the test for at least the past six or seven years. Of course, the tests are only given every so often, but although white women try out, no black men have for a number of years.


20 posted on 01/06/2013 3:17:41 PM PST by Ladysforest
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To: capt B
I don't know but even I had trouble with this one.

Biff and Ashley are hosting an intimate repast for 12 un diner intime pour deux at their inherited Art Deco/ Georgian brownstone designed by Frank Lloyd Wright.

Menu by Chef Louis was Petit foie gras and Beluga caviar will be followed by Cuisses De Grenouille Provencale and Escargots A La Bourguignonne with Creme Brule for dessert.

During the serving an undocumented employee of the caterer catches the antique Louis V silk tapestry on fire with a warming burner. The first 2 floors are fully engulfed with the guests clustered at the 3rd floor windows.

You are first on the scene. Determine the following:

1. What wines were served with what course?

2. What crackers were served with the Beluga?

3. How many forks are at each setting?

4. What do they do with the poor frogs after they cut their little legs off?

21 posted on 01/06/2013 3:30:50 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Clock King

What happened in the ‘60s is that many minority kids stopped listening to their elders, had in fact a certain contempt with how hard their elders had worked to get ahead. So thirty years ago, yes, there were still a lot of minorities instilled with the old work ethic who got screwed. But now we are dealing with the younger set who think that working hard means you have a slave mentality.


22 posted on 01/06/2013 4:04:31 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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