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John Taylor Gatto - The Purpose Of Schooling
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Posted on 01/06/2013 8:14:00 AM PST by wintertime

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1 posted on 01/06/2013 8:14:04 AM PST by wintertime
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To: metmom
ARTHS ping list.

This is the first time I have heard John Gatto’s voice. This video is **excellent**.

2 posted on 01/06/2013 8:15:14 AM PST by wintertime
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To: shag377; SoftballMominVA; Hope for the Republic; verga

Once again - opinion being pawned off as “news” and not even a description of the purported video.

I don’t do you tube videos as they eat up far too much of my limited bandwidth - and I most especially do not look at them without any clue of the content ahead of time.


3 posted on 01/06/2013 8:44:37 AM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: All
To all government school defenders:

Government schooling can not be defended. It is a socialist, single-payer, compulsory-use, compulsory-funded, and godless socialist entitlement backed by the threat of armed police and court threat. It never has been,( nor is it now), religiously, culturally, or politically neutral. These tax-funded government prison-like and godless schools are a First Amendment and freedom of conscience abomination.

Treating children, whose only crime was to be born, like state prisoners can not be defended, It can not be reformed. I consider it to be evil for the child and a threat to the future of our nation.

So....Government school defenders, please feel free to comment on this thread. Please feel free to use my name freely, and to comment on my posts, but please do not ping me or send private mail. I'd rather not have that clutter up my ping and private mail lists.

If you choose to ping me or send private mail, you will receive a polite request from me not to do so.

I have made a decision. To engage those defending an abomination is to give the abomination a veneer of legitimacy.

4 posted on 01/06/2013 8:46:59 AM PST by wintertime
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To: shag377; SoftballMominVA; Hope for the Republic; verga
Sorry to keep bugging y'all - but I'm defrosting some stuff to fix for an open house at the Pastor's this evening and have some time to kill!

Government schooling can not be defended.

nothing more than a personal opinion, which has been shown time after time, after time.

Treating children, whose only crime was to be born, like state prisoners can not be defended, It can not be reformed.

Hyperbolic personal opinion.

I consider it to be evil for the child and a threat to the future of our nation.

See above......

If you choose to ping me or send private mail, you will receive a polite request from me not to do so.

In other words she has nothing to back up nor defend her own hyperbole, rhetoric, and personal opinion.

I have made a decision.

So have the rest of us.

To engage those defending an abomination is to give the abomination a veneer of legitimacy.

To point out personal opinion that is nothing more than ad hom attacks, personal slurs, and often outright lies is something all conscientious folks must do.

Oh - and the misuse of the ""news" segment of FR for that which belongs in "personal/bloggers" will continue to be pointed out whenever necessary (which lately has been every new posting by the creator of this thread.)

5 posted on 01/06/2013 10:10:20 AM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: wintertime

I recommend you get Gatto’s book, “The Underground History of American Education” to get a full understanding of what American education was founded to do and why it’s going to continue to turn out Obama voters for the next generation.


6 posted on 01/06/2013 10:17:25 AM PST by D_Idaho ("For we wrestle not against flesh and blood...")
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To: wintertime
Gatto was a prophet and a treasure. I was sad to learn that he died recently. Some of my favorite videos:

Prussian Schooling

The Ultimate History Lesson

7 posted on 01/06/2013 10:36:21 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: D_Idaho
John Gatto’s philosophy explains why Franklin D. Roosevelt was elected and pass his socialist, compulsory, single-payer, and price-fixed cartel programs.

All it took to elect FDR was one to three generations of voters indoctrinated to be comfortable with socialism in government schools that are socialist-funded, compulsory, single-payer, price-fixed cartel schools.

By my grandmother's day ( born 1894) government schooling was largely godlessly secular with perfunctory nods to God in the morning. Is it any wonder that she and my father learned to worship at the altar of the state and look to FDR as the nation's redeemer and savior?

8 posted on 01/06/2013 10:37:14 AM PST by wintertime
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Thank you for the links.

If they haven’t been posted before, in the coming weeks I will post them as threads.


9 posted on 01/06/2013 10:41:24 AM PST by wintertime
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To: Gabz
opinion being pawned off as “news”

The thread was posted to News/Activism.

Wintertime: "Please...Conservatives! Wake up! We must begin the process of privatizing universal K-12 education. It is **urgent**!!! We must work toward complete separation of school and state. NOW!"

Sounds like "Activism" to me.

10 posted on 01/06/2013 10:58:07 AM PST by HomeAtLast
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To: HomeAtLast

The thread was started with the use of an undescribed youtube video and the poster stated her own opinion without any information about the content to back up such a “call.”

That is not “news” or even “activism” in so far as it is repetitive rhetoric from said poster. Thus it belongs in “personal/bloggers” or at least “chat” and not cluttering up the news feed.

P.S. I am not breaking FR protocol by not pinging the other poster - I have been repeatedly told by her not to do so.


11 posted on 01/06/2013 11:16:57 AM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: HomeAtLast; wintertime
Sounds like "Activism" to me.

Bravo!

wintertime: thanks for posting your continually provocative threads.

The public schools are the creators of the willing participants in American-style socialism, just as Soviet schools shaped their students to fit the requirements of Russian-style socialism.

Shutting down the public schools will be the first step towards the restoration of American Civilization.

I expect twelve year olds will have to lead this campaign, as the adult population is too morally compromised by the System to really object to it or "go Galt".

The Romans demanded their bread and circuses from all aspiring politicians - why would US citizens be any different?

Perhaps we humans can learn from history, and perhaps not.

12 posted on 01/06/2013 11:17:15 AM PST by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: wintertime; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; AccountantMom; Aggie Mama; agrace; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. Articles pinged to the Another Reason to Homeschool List will be given the keyword of ARTH. (If I remember. If I forget, please feel free to add it yourself)

The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.

13 posted on 01/06/2013 11:18:21 AM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Gabz

Gatto is a former teacher who has written extensively on his experiences. I know you hate summertime, but Gatto is legit. His writings have made a difference in many families. Gatto’s stuff has been posted on FR for as long as I’ve been a member, this is where I learned of him.

If you can’t watch, at least look him up. Freepers used to research.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Taylor_Gatto
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/toc1.htm


14 posted on 01/06/2013 11:45:37 AM PST by Marie Antoinette (:)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

I did not know he passed away! Thanks for posting that. His book cemented our decision to keep on the path, even when we were discouraged.


15 posted on 01/06/2013 11:53:16 AM PST by Marie Antoinette (:)
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To: Marie Antoinette

Gak! I read that in YouTube comments, but Wikipedia doesn’t indicate that. Sorry!


16 posted on 01/06/2013 12:07:56 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: Marie Antoinette

You know NOTHING about me, most especially about who I may or may not hate, nor about whether or not I know about a particular subject.

The fact there are people, who for whatever reason, are unable to watch videos - a brief synopsis of a video is just common courtesy.........which seems to be in short supply on FR of late.


17 posted on 01/06/2013 12:12:46 PM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Marie Antoinette
JT Gatto was the keynote speaker at the first home school convention we attended in Florida (May, 1992). Unfortunately, he had barely gotten into his speech when he became ill and had to get medical treatment. We bought his book, Dumbing Us Down, and it was quite the eye opener! We were very happy we had decided to give homeschooling a try. I guess that was the year he published that book.

I encourage people to read his writings. You may not agree with what he has to say, but he certainly makes you think.

I'm sad to hear that he has passed.

18 posted on 01/06/2013 12:15:27 PM PST by aberaussie
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To: aberaussie

I can’t find anything online that says he has died, however. He had a couple of strokes in 2011, but it looks like he was still lecturing in 2012???


19 posted on 01/06/2013 12:20:01 PM PST by aberaussie
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To: Gabz

You know what, you’re right.


20 posted on 01/06/2013 1:32:50 PM PST by Marie Antoinette (:)
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