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White House Weighs Broad Gun-Control Agenda in Wake of Newtown Shootings
The Washington Post ^ | Saturday, January 5, 2013 | Philip Rucker

Posted on 01/05/2013 3:46:46 PM PST by kristinn

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To: combat_boots; All
“Sandy Hook was perfect. Too perfect for my take.”

Earlier I would have disagrered with you, but not much now. We know the Government maintains electronic survielance over a great deal of intenet traffic, especially public websites like FR, just to see if somebody is concocting some kind of an illegal plan, or to see if they can frame some conserative with trying to do that.

Lanza was apparently on the internet for a lot of his time playing particularly violent video games and probably became an active member of the video gaming community, posting a great many of his weird and violent thoughts on various public message boards maintained by that community. It would have been easy for a shadowy government operative to stumble onto those messages by automated key word searches and target him for legitimate survielance.

Going from there to recruiting him to perpetrate a massacre would have been no harder, and taken no more ruthless evil, than conceiving and implementing Operation Fast and Furious, which was obviously concocted to produce as much horrific carnage as possible to gin up support for gun control. F&F having failed disastrously, the Obamunists probably decided to come up with an uttely horrific school massacre of innocents, and Lanza turned out to be the ideal candidate to perpetrate it. After all, why was his computer’s hard drive destroyed unless he did it on somebody’s instructions or an Obamunist “cleaner” came to his house right after he murdered his mother and did the job on the computer.

51 posted on 01/05/2013 4:47:55 PM PST by libstripper
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To: kristinn

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/05/White-House-prepares-to-defeat-NRA-with-Speedy-legislation


52 posted on 01/05/2013 4:52:28 PM PST by Wisconsinlady (The only thing to stop a bad person with a gun, is a good person with a gun.)
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To: Truth29

>>There is quite a list of horrors that are possible.

The list is found in history. Nothing Obama is doing is new. Its just never been done to people with so much to lose, so much access to information, so many personal firearms, or on a population that is so divided along ethnic and racial lines.

It is going to be a bloodbath beyond our comprehension. Perhaps some biblical “and they killed all the men, women, children, and animals” kind of massacre, but on a scale of millions.

Once he drives us to unleash this hell on Earth, there will be no stopping it until it burns itself out.

Obama and the Democrats who believe the ideology are simply the most evil people to have ever lived. The rest of the Dems are just deluded footsoldiers or cannon fodder who follow evil because they don’t know what good even is.


53 posted on 01/05/2013 4:53:06 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bryanw92

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


54 posted on 01/05/2013 4:53:16 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: USNBandit

First thing that’s plea bargained away. NYC has that in its laws. If you use a gun in the commission of a felony it’s automatic one year jail. It’s the first thing that gets plea bargained away.


55 posted on 01/05/2013 4:54:15 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: M1903A1

Rasmussen Poll is pretty accurate. 55 percent will accept some form of assault weapons ban, but 62 percent oppose total banning of gun ownership. All this is based on current perception of what an assault weapons ban is. Obama and Dems wants to use this issue in the 2014 elections. GOP is not united after fiscal cliff vote, and fearful of the Dem/MSM PR machine in the next election as well as Tea Party challenge during primary. NRA and other organizations need to lean on Dems as well as shore up GOP. They have influence in both parties. This is a fight for our lives. Forces in our favor, bad economic times means people are wary of police cutbacks and being left on their own during crime. If our economy was booming, AWB has a good chance of passing, maybe the hard economic times may temper disarmament.


56 posted on 01/05/2013 4:57:03 PM PST by Fee
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To: cripplecreek

Amen, brother. We are always one violent maniac away from losing our rights. How about the other side start backtracking a bit for every defensive firearm use?


57 posted on 01/05/2013 5:00:15 PM PST by GnL
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To: GnL; taildragger

While I’m not quite ready to make the same leap taildragger is, he does provide a good example of how forcing the democrats backward is a winning strategy.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2971143/posts?page=10#10


58 posted on 01/05/2013 5:03:45 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks kristinn.


59 posted on 01/05/2013 5:17:36 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: kristinn

>> one source said ... rallying support from ... gun retailers for measures that would benefit their businesses.

Those bastards have pimped themselves to the Gummn’t before*, and will do it again in a New York minute if they can make a buck on it.

* “Order a gun from an outside source? No problem; have them send it to me and I’ll charge you $50.” [$150? Even better.] {


60 posted on 01/05/2013 5:20:24 PM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: rolling_stone

I like it send it to ted cruz


61 posted on 01/05/2013 5:38:40 PM PST by reluctantwarrior (Strength and Honor, just call me Buzzkill for short......)
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To: libstripper

“came to his house right after he murdered his mother”

For all we know, the guy went apechit after someone came in and shot his mother in the face. IIRC, there was a story early on about his father having been murdered.

I don’t get the driving across town. It’s the timeframe, the story about his brother, LIBOR, the extra people, the LACK of video/helicopters/reporters on scene.

It stinks.


62 posted on 01/05/2013 5:50:28 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: combat_boots; All
Join the NRA! There is strength in numbers.
63 posted on 01/05/2013 5:52:15 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: kristinn

Not worrried about Obama and Biden’s working group.
I am worried Boehner and his fellow spineless ‘Pubbies who will likely aid and abet their crimes against the Republic.


64 posted on 01/05/2013 6:08:41 PM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: AD from SpringBay

I hope they don’t fold, but if they do, it’s war. I am not giving up ANY of my weapons.


65 posted on 01/05/2013 6:09:06 PM PST by Quickgun (I came here screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: cripplecreek

” For every anti gun measure the democrats try, we need a pro gun measure that would ease existing restrictions on guns.”

I’ve begun to think that also. Forget this backing up crap...trying to limit the losses of gun rights to less than the gun-moaners want. It’s time to start demanding the complete abolition of every gun law short of the 2nd Amendment.

I want to be able to go down to the local Mom & Pop gun store and buy a full auto weapon...with a grenade launcher. Bill O’Reilly says the “folks” don’t need a bazooka (yep, he said it). Well, screw Bill....I want a bazooka.


66 posted on 01/05/2013 6:10:12 PM PST by moovova
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To: moovova
Bill O’Reilly says the “folks” don’t need a bazooka (yep, he said it). Well, screw Bill....I want a bazooka.

Always prepared....just in case.
67 posted on 01/05/2013 6:14:27 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: UnwashedPeasant

In Mexico!


68 posted on 01/05/2013 6:21:20 PM PST by Trod Upon (Civilian disarmament is the precursor to democide.)
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To: shadeaud

I would not put any bets on the RINOcrats doing anything to protect our rights from the communist regime in Sodom on the Potomac. They ARE PART OF THE PROBLEMS!


69 posted on 01/05/2013 6:24:44 PM PST by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 13-17. That about covers it.)
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To: SatinDoll
“...the White House is developing strategies to work around the National Rifle Association that one source said could include rallying support from Wal-Mart and other gun retailers for measures that would benefit their businesses...” How typical of a crminal regime: threatening extortion against businesses!

Wal-Mart and others had better consider our power to crush them. I will NEVER buy from Wal-Mart again if they in any way support gun control legislation, and the same goes for any other company that tries to take my rights. I imagine they would lose a substantial fraction of their customer base over this fatal error, and I don't forget.

70 posted on 01/05/2013 6:26:33 PM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: kristinn

2nd Amendment bump for later......


71 posted on 01/05/2013 6:29:32 PM PST by indthkr
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To: Quickgun
Not giving a damned thing up.
Nor being photographed & finger-printed.
I'm not a criminal, never been arrested, nothing but a speeding ticket.
I bought only what was/is legal, now they want to change the rules.
They havent done jack sh_t about all the firearms related crime in Detroit & Chicago in all this time,
and those were committed by CRIMINALS..why havent they solved that first?
Nah, its just EASIER to make law-abiding citizens give up their firearms!
Doesnt do a damned thing to the criminals, just disarms the law-abiding!
How in the hell does that make any sense? IT DOESNT!

MOLON LABE !
72 posted on 01/05/2013 6:48:40 PM PST by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
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To: AD from SpringBay

I disagree, if the GOP house folds on this, the government tries to take away our guns, then you have to look at the odds. 280 million guns, 80 million plus gun owners. You only need about 2 - 3% getting pissed and make a stance and you have 1.6M to 2.4M people with 5.6M to 8/4M guns. Odds are in our favor...


73 posted on 01/05/2013 6:49:58 PM PST by maddog55 (America Rising.... Civil War II)
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To: kristinn
Broad Gun-Control

Sounds good...seems to me that broads have as much right to control their aim as we guys do

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74 posted on 01/05/2013 6:53:40 PM PST by repentant_pundit (Sammy's your uncle, but he behaves like a spoiled rotten kid.)
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To: JohnBrowdie

“I have no idea why people are getting so worked up about this. unless king barack issues another one of his rotal decrees, he hasn’t got the votes in the house. whatever mr. 51% is thinking, he can’t get it passed. not democratically, anyway.”

Just like he didn’t have the votes to get the tax increases passed, eh?

My guess is that 95% of the ‘rats in the House will vote for gun confiscation if Obama tells them to. Maybe 100%.

If he can intimidate a relatively few “moderate” Republican House members to go along — he wins.

The Senate probably won’t even be an issue. The Pubbies there won’t try to put up a fight.


75 posted on 01/05/2013 7:28:06 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: MichiganConservative
Or does everyone still think I’m a kook?

Nope. The only entity in the world that can murder you, your family and anybody else they want get away with it clean is the government. Look at Fast and Furious as one indirect example. Not even the Mafia can get away with murder in every case.

76 posted on 01/05/2013 7:34:25 PM PST by Hardastarboard (Bringing children to America without immigration documents is child abuse. Let's end it.)
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To: OldPossum

Personally I don’t think Oblahblah has a chance to get anything meaningful put into place but we should all be contacting our legislators and putting them on notice anyway.


77 posted on 01/05/2013 7:35:47 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: kristinn

Shall not be infringed.

Don’t make us cross the Potomac.


78 posted on 01/05/2013 7:36:05 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Sine ullo desiderio vive et ama.... Carpe diem.)
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To: kristinn

The Executive Order will breach the Constitution and be grounds for impeachment. Last time Congress attempted such action, they all got the heaveho in the next election, and the nut job guy blew up the Federal Building in Oklahoma. Does the White House really want to declare war on the American citizens? It will be the end of the US Federal Government system if such an action is attempted.

Raise taxes, breach the Constitution by seizing guns (while giving AK47s to Drug Lords and Al Queda in Benghazi and Syria), and then invade the USA with illegals while spending more Trillions on Who knows What?

The response will be the same as seen when Tyranny is imposed on a free country: prolonged resistance at every level, and ultimately, regime change. Nationhood will disintegrate as a result of the seizure of firearms. Some states may accept it, but most won’t.

These are lessons of history. The White House cannot change human nature. Americans will not freely submit to Tyranny.


79 posted on 01/05/2013 7:48:57 PM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: Georgia Girl 2

You are right. I’ve already contacted my representative’s office. Didn’t bother with the senators (both RATS), though.


80 posted on 01/05/2013 8:04:50 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: M1903A1

“People” don’t matter.
The Elite do.

The congress and White House don’t care about people. People scare them. They care about power.

Write your congressmen, but realize that they don’t really worry to much about what you people think.

Look at Obamacare. The People didn’t want it, but in the end, it didn’t matter.


81 posted on 01/05/2013 8:49:38 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: kristinn
Any and I do mean ANY politician who supports the communist “gun control” (confiscation) of American firearms will be targeted in their next drive for reelection.

Any store, e.g. Walmart, etc. who sides with Obumbum's proposed “gun control” (confiscation) efforts will be driven into bankruptcy, just like Kmart after they removed all firearms from their stores.

This time around, Americans are wise to the communist so called gun control legislation with two (2) rulings from the US Supreme Court in Heller, and McDonald v Chicago clearly ruling the right to keep and bear arms is an “individual protected right” NOT a collective right of the State or Federal government!

The Frankenstein legislative bill will not be passed like the Obumbum socialized medicine bill was. The Republicans control the US House of Representatives, let a single RINO support any gun control bill from this WH and there will be hell to pay in ways these RINO’s cannot even begin to imagine!

If the communist thought the socialized health care bill pissed off the American people, watch what happens when they attempt to take the American people's protected right to keep and bear arms from them, specially after two (2) Supreme Court rulings upholding the American People's protected right to keep and bear such weapons!

Let the fun begin, America will have a front row seat at this circus act, watching who will be the first stupid idiot dumb enough to put their names on a gun control bill along side the known communist in Congress!

Blow back won't be just the first result of such asinine communist legislation, but, a complete sweep up and out of all Congress personnel who supports such crap, starting with all RINO’s!

82 posted on 01/05/2013 9:32:54 PM PST by paratrooper82 (We have been deserted by this WH and left to fend for ourselves in Afghanistan! Both hands tied!)
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To: bobo1
How about printing on the front page of every newspaper and on every federal website, the names of all welfare rats, women who have had abortions, along with all politicians who have voted for gun control over their careers in Congress?

I can't think of a more faster way to start the second American revolution than to start confiscating American firearms, planned or just a coincidence?

83 posted on 01/05/2013 9:47:08 PM PST by paratrooper82 (We have been deserted by this WH and left to fend for ourselves in Afghanistan! Both hands tied!)
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To: AD from SpringBay
If the GOP controlled house folds on this, the republic is done.

No it's not. The House better damn well know this is the most important vote in their long history. If they fail, we won't.


84 posted on 01/05/2013 10:21:30 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: kristinn

Democrats, enablers of mass shootings, want more of America’s children mass murdered.


85 posted on 01/05/2013 10:31:32 PM PST by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: JohnBrowdie
I have no idea why people are getting so worked up about this. unless king barack issues another one of his rotal decrees, he hasn’t got the votes in the house. whatever mr. 51% is thinking, he can’t get it passed. not democratically, anyway.

Perhaps you might not have noticed that the RINOs in the house really don't stand for constitutional principles.

86 posted on 01/05/2013 10:52:33 PM PST by Drill Thrawl (The Progs are pushing for war. Be ready.)
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To: JohnBrowdie

he hasn’t got the votes in the house.

* * *

You’d think that, wouldn’t you? But it seems the bunch of RINOs we have in the House now will p*ss their neatly pressed pants at the first sign of disapproval by the media. I absolutely would NOT count on “our guys” to do the right thing. I could easily see them rolling over to expose their collective soft underbelly to The Won.


87 posted on 01/06/2013 2:01:31 AM PST by Hetty_Fauxvert (FUBO, and the useful idiots you rode in on!)
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To: a fool in paradise

Who are you talking about?


88 posted on 01/06/2013 3:49:23 AM PST by rickyrikardo
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To: kristinn; harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
The agenda spelled out here is the complete list of everything from every gun grabbers' wet-dream. These statists are now working with Bloomberg on one side and the Brady Bunch on the other, and they know they have to do as much damage as possible before the next election.

We have got a fight on our hands, folks.

It's long past time to put all the BS differences aside, and join the NRA, GOA, SAF, CCRKBA, JPFO, Etc. RIGHT NOW and join the fight. No more complaints; no more rumor-mongering, no more room for doubt. "We must all hang together or we will surely hang separately".

I do believe the approach here, as we have seen before, is to go for massive overreach, and then settle on a partial set of infringements, since that will be so much more 'reasonable'. Well, not this time. We cannot yield an inch.

Make ready. And may God favor our endeavor.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

89 posted on 01/06/2013 4:05:53 AM PST by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: kristinn; harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
The agenda spelled out here is the complete list of everything from every gun grabbers' wet-dream. These statists are now working with Bloomberg on one side and the Brady Bunch on the other, and they know they have to do as much damage as possible before the next election.

We have got a fight on our hands, folks.

It's long past time to put all the BS differences aside, and join the NRA, GOA, SAF, CCRKBA, JPFO, Etc. RIGHT NOW and join the fight. No more complaints; no more rumor-mongering, no more room for doubt. "We must all hang together or we will surely hang separately".

I do believe the approach here, as we have seen before, is to go for massive overreach, and then settle on a partial set of infringements, since that will be so much more 'reasonable'. Well, not this time. We cannot yield an inch.

Make ready. And may God favor our endeavor.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

90 posted on 01/06/2013 4:06:55 AM PST by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: kristinn; harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
The agenda spelled out here is the complete list of everything from every gun grabbers' wet-dream. These statists are now working with Bloomberg on one side and the Brady Bunch on the other, and they know they have to do as much damage as possible before the next election.

We have got a fight on our hands, folks.

It's long past time to put all the BS differences aside, and join the NRA, GOA, SAF, CCRKBA, JPFO, Etc. RIGHT NOW and join the fight. No more complaints; no more rumor-mongering, no more room for doubt. "We must all hang together or we will surely hang separately".

I do believe the approach here, as we have seen before, is to go for massive overreach, and then settle on a partial set of infringements, since that will be so much more 'reasonable'. Well, not this time. We cannot yield an inch.

Make ready. And may God favor our endeavor.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

91 posted on 01/06/2013 4:07:54 AM PST by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: kristinn
White House aides have also been in regular contact with advisers to New York Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg (I), an outspoken gun-control advocate who could emerge as a powerful surrogate for the Obama administration’s agenda.

You mean those same guys that then Virginia Attorney General and now Governor Bob McDonnell threatened to jail for coming down and trying to cause trouble in the Commonwealth?

92 posted on 01/06/2013 4:40:37 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: kristinn

Gun Control Mission Creep. A little regulation here, a small law there, expanding data bases, an increasingly dependent on government electorate who can’t be bothered to think for themselves...it is just a matter of time.


93 posted on 01/06/2013 4:55:00 AM PST by corlorde (forWARD of the state)
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To: combat_boots

Jarrett said payback. 0bama said revenge. They meant it.

94 posted on 01/06/2013 6:01:19 AM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: kristinn
Vice President Biden is seriously considering measures backed by key law enforcement leaders that would ... strengthen mental health checks

THIS is a key part of the agenda. It is aimed DIRECTLY at veterans and their right to bear arms.

The proposed "measures" would brand every veteran with a PTSD or depression diagnosis, or who has had any medications for same, to be psychologically unfit to exercise his 2nd Amendment rights.

This is a back-door gun grab targeting the one group the Obamanation wants desperately to disarm.

95 posted on 01/06/2013 6:11:50 AM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Old Sarge

Biden-ban, and using Libor witnesses and their families as brainwashed participants.


96 posted on 01/06/2013 6:15:13 AM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: Eye of Unk

Absolutely.


97 posted on 01/06/2013 6:21:46 AM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: JohnBrowdie

From the posted excerpt of the article.

“Biden’s group has expanded its focus to include measures that would not need congressional approval and could be quickly implemented by executive action, according to interest-group leaders who have discussed options with Biden and key Cabinet secretaries.”


98 posted on 01/06/2013 6:22:52 AM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert

Taken from the article:

“...In addition to potential legislative proposals, Biden’s group has expanded its focus to include measures that would not need congressional approval and could be quickly implemented by executive action, according to interest-group leaders who have discussed options with Biden and key Cabinet secretaries. Possibilities include changes to federal mental-health programs and modernization of gun-tracking efforts by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives...”

They’re openly admitting they’ll use EO’s if they have to. Congress has no backbone, hasn’t called him on any of his other EO’s.


99 posted on 01/06/2013 6:24:35 AM PST by Wasichu
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To: Bryanw92
>>and stiffen penalties for carrying guns near schools or giving them to minors<<

This is a lil secret they don't want folks to know about. Do you realize how many times you pass through a school zone on your way to work, to wally world or whatever?

Even if you are not traveling down a road clearly marked, “school zone”, you may still be within one hundred feet or whatever the law subscribes in your state to a school and not even know it.

Consider this, you and your buddies are going on a hunting trip. Y'all get the truck all loaded up and head out to the lease. On your way out of town, a police officer pulls you over for a defective tail light.

Upon further investigation, he ask if you have any weapons in the vehicle. You, being a law abiding citizen answer...”yes”. You have hunting rifles, but you also brought along a semi 9mm w/high cap mag. for some fun plinking.

He then proceeds to place cuffs on you and informs you that you are under arrest for possession of a firearm within 100 ft of a school. You had no idea, that on the backside of the strip mall he stopped you in front of, there is an elementary school

Guess what, you've just become a felon. Think it can't happen? You bet it can.

100 posted on 01/06/2013 6:26:33 AM PST by servantboy777
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