Skip to comments.We're now one step closer to America's coming civil war
Posted on 01/05/2013 1:11:56 PM PST by HogsBreath
The New Year has started with a monstrosity of a budget deal, one that proves that neither political party, Democrats or Republicans, is really serious about controlling the growth of big government. But soap opera dramatics about fiscal "cliffs" and sequestration shouldnt deflect from where President Obama is really taking this country. Consider this story from the Wall Street Journal a few days before Christmas:
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Bookmark Bump and possible CWII ping.
“When big government wins, we all lose...”
Yeah, I was surprised to see that as well.
It’s a very good article too.
At the time Mr Etch-a-sketch made the 47% comment I was amung that number. I didn’t want to be. I think there are a lot of people who realize who’s taking their prosperity away. I think even some OWS people could make allies once they realize who enables the ultra-rich.
The real civil division is the loss of the reasonable social consensus that once united America. Today values ,practices and expectations are so different between the two main groups in America that division is already defacto. Neither side shares values, likes or respects the other and each prefers as little social interaction as possible. They even prefer living in different areas. Real organized violence against each other? Doubtful. However unified action whether it involve domestic or foreign affairs will be very rare.
One paragraph sums up the failure of the welfare state:
Far from adding to peoples standard of living, government is the number one cause of poverty in this country. It forces those who depend on its largesse to live hand to mouth, with no time or money to plan for the future. They become unable to fend for themselves-—and increasingly resentful of those who can.
If the Civil War happens, I hope people realize just how bad it is going to be. This won’t be some regional conflict like the Union vs the Confederacy where there is a “home front” (at least until the war criminal Sherman arrived) to safely leave the women and children.
This will be Kosovo, with neighbor killing neighbor, and a trip to the store will be an expedition into a kill zone and back. This will make your typical frame home with drywall into a death trap until you line the inside with sandbags.
But, the imminent failure of the US credit-based economy and the 47% who live on that gummint teat can only take us down one road because that government has done everything it can to set the makers vs the takers at odds for the last 10 years. No one is willing to sacrifice a single luxury to fill another’s needs anymore. The battles lines have been drawn and we’re just waiting for the event that fires the first shot. (99 Luftballoons anyone??)
“It forces those who depend on its largesse to live hand to mouth, with no time or money to plan for the future. They become unable to fend for themselves-—and increasingly resentful of those who can.”
This is very much the case with our permanent welfare class and illegals, and is spreading into those private-sector workers who are getting shafted with unnecessary H1-B replacements.
This is purposely being done by the Left to stay in power. Should be a breach of fiduciary, but the government scoffs at that now.
Not unlike this meme:
"Every year, the outlaws swing out of the trees, rob the merchants and ride back to Washington D.C. for a glorious feast..." Sultan Knish
I have bad news...
". . . some key [events] exacerbated the national debate, fraying trust, and national cohesion just a little more each time . . . The two-party system that had governed America . . . began to fall apart . . . interest in politics took the place of all other forms of news-related entertainment . . . politicians were the celebrities . . . [Politics/ideology] was becoming such a habit, the reactions so automatic, that [journalists] taking sides on every news story became inevitable."
.. I just can't avoid thinking about this from for Love & Liberty by Robin Young and it's about 1857 America.
The Republicans have to support the grass-roots tax revolt of the TEA Party; I don’t see how else they stay relevant.
Here in NJ we’ve laid off thousands of cops (and teachers and firemen) because we simply can’t afford them. Governor Christie took the steps locally that the Dems refuse to take nationally, to keep our state somewhat affordable.
Every laid-off cop is one less soldier for the left...
I don't want to be enslaved for the rest of my life. But I don't want to give them the opportunity to steal my life savings.
I am sure the author is using attention grabbing words with the hope of selling more books, but I am afraid of the power of self-fulfilling prophecy. However, we can only go so long ignoring the elephant in the room.
Bummer...I searched by the authors name, the phrase one step closer and the words civil war and nothing came back.
I’m watching `The Patriot’ on AMC, Mel’s character is cradling his dying son in his arms.
No one wants anything like that again. At the same time, I hope the Democrats realize that we Americans will keep our liberties.
The civil war is not going to start because the "takers" didn't get their gov'ment checks except maybe if the ruling class New Normal uses that to agitate and spark unrest.
Before the country is so bad off financially it's likely that the civil war starts over
The progressives' New Normal ruling elite
I remember them.
The 1960s Marxist-Alinsky campus radical, psycho spoiled brats were celebrated in the establishment MSM as the most intelligent generation ever!. They are now arguably that very establishment that praised them and they hold themselves and their ideological issue in even higher regard.
Doesn’t really bother me at all and didn’t mean to make that look like any kind of scorn. The publishing of that was an interesting thing for me to ponder, too.
Then I found out about all of the big shot moguls on the left who want to violate our Second Amendment because of their guilts and fears. Too bad that they can’t get out enough to get more in touch with physical realities and the classes of people that they are so afraid of (white collar middle and technically inclined, former private sector blue collar).
Even most of the Democrats are in favor of Second Amendment freedoms, and AR-type rifles are in style. While looking for tech. stuff on firearms (more rural-oriented stuff for old fogies like me, out here, in the middle of nowhere: bolt action ballistics, optics, etc.), I spotted a pro-Second-Amendment thread in a hit from DU, then another and another.
In one thread, an anti-Second-Amendment chick was trying to argue with a multitude of other lefties talking about AR tech. stuff. Same with the hippies around me on the Rockies. They like plinking with the new superphlasmatic, tacticool rifles, developing their “organic” gardens, their building contracting and other pursuits of self-sufficiency. They’re okay, I guess, except for their likely pot smoking. ;-)
We, as middle and lower class people, won’t really bite the money moguls, although too many of us will be poorer within a couple of years or so (default, etc.). But we, as a nation, do need to be rid of the regulations—local and federal—against private building projects and new, small manufacturing shops on our own private properties.
Thanks for the reminder! There are innocent people who died in Oakland, not from direct attack, but gangs shooting at each other with errant bullets hitting nearby homes. Totally innocent people in their homes, thinking they're protected by walls. Maybe time to stock up on more 3/4 inch plywood, at least it's some extra protection from smaller rounds.
Here’s a link to a great article on dependence:
I really belive a Civil War will be more like a third world takeover....
Some military leaders will revolt and take charge of the government, throwing out the current two branches, probably leaving the Supremes in place for both continuity and legitimacy...
There would be general support from the populace....
What would happen after that is anyones guess, I would hope na return to a constitutional republic....
You mean Ole Barry is the Eva Peron of America!!!! KEWL
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
This is what I'll be wearing when it happens.
Much of America’s social consensus was built on living and abiding by the ideals of freedom - self defense, self control, independence/self reliance. The liberals have now “progressed” beyond the legal and power constraints of the constitution without the consent of the people.
It’s dang scarey. With their “citizen of the world” globalist rule ideology, I knew the rubber would hit the road sooner or later. They have taken on the attitude of a ruling class - like foreigners.
American freedom and independence is an absolute opposite ideology from globalism. We had a war of independence with a globalist king one time. I guess that is where we are headed again. : (
We have to do what we can to warn off the socialists.
I’ve been hearing about that coming move, for 2yrs or more...
Seems a word of caution is due here. If the MSM is talking civil war we may be looking at a trap. Is that what Obama wants in order to declare marshal law?
Ooops! Martial law ~:-(
The media is talking civil war.
The media talked about Kosovo, what happened?
The media talked about Iraq, what happened?
The media talked about Mogadishu, what happened?
Every time the media started beating the drum, the administration of that moment, did something.
Now, we all know full well, how much the media loves John Q. and Jane Q. Public. But, yet, THEY are the ones beating the drum?
There are no true ‘sides’ in a civil war, even with the nastiness we once suffered. There will be leaders. There will be martyrs to Freedom. (Let’s face it, the ones that are the root cause of this, do NOT want to get hurt, but would buy the popcorn.) There wil be profiteers, like that guy who owned that boat, in the movie Josey Wales.
As far as the media is concerned, in a fantasy situation, they would fighting each other, for the best coverage, with the bullets overhead, like ol’ Connie Chung did. I do not see one of them, at all, doing anything but what suits them, and their broadcaster, Freedom be damned.
Another factor - smaller family sizes. People are less willing to let their children go to war when it is a one and only child or only son.
The federal government has bought/is buying something like 1.5 billion HOLLOW POINT bullets. Hollow points are for doing ONE thing: killing people.
It’s not that 0bama is ‘worried’ about civil unrest/war. He’s COUNTING ON it. He has a minigun in an SUV trailing him. 2000 rounds/minute. He has a limo that can take RPGs and chemical. He has a new bunker at the White House. He has new planes and helicopters.
He and Jarrett have ammo’d up. For a reason.
The country will be ripped like Greece with riots and looting. The Civil War will move when the States start to step in —Out of the confusion a neo-nazi group will seize power. He will bring order but at a cost.
Migt have to reinforce the floors, lol.
I’ll stick to 3/4 inch plywood, much cheaper. I’ve bought sheet metal for my shear/bender and it is very expensive - thick plate is much too expensive to do perimeter walls. Good idea of yours for the front door and under the main front windows. Ha-ha, if things got that hot, probably better to bug out to a safer locale. Only have so much ammo and can’t stand the thought of being burned out!
I had a great laugh yesterday at the expense of a young woman who called into Rush crying about her two sets of twins and the extra $138 a paycheck they could not afford for obastardcare. Toughskyshitsky.
Rush calls them low information voters. That is far too charitable. Stupid is more likely.
Life is tough. It’s even tougher when you’re stupid.
I am going to laugh at these fools as long as I can because out situation will soon cease to have any humor in it at all.
Far from adding to peoples standard of living, government is the number one cause of poverty in this country. It forces those who depend on its largesse to live hand to mouth, with no time or money to plan for the future.
I see it a bit differently - the government gives them too much of our money and keeps their standard of living too high to be inducive to finding a way to improve their lot. If we made them literally subsist with no cars, no TV 9excpet maybe a 13" Black and White), no cable, no computer/on-line service, etc., they would be more worried about finding a job (or weeding themselves out by trying to take stuff from others). We don't keep them too low, we keep them too high and comfortable.
Where in the world does a meme like this come from, the movies?
That meme is so un-American, indeed anti-American, I can't believe people infected with it, such as nevergore, truly are American.
Did you go to school in this country, nevergore?
Did you learn any US history, or was your mind corrupted by some other education?
The US military is not going to "revolt and take charge of the government", because, first of all, no military person would issue or follow such illegal orders, and second, the US military already has a seat at the tables of power in Washington, with enough global missions to keep them plenty busy doing their constitutional jobs, much less even imagining "taking charge of the government".
So I'll ask again: where did such an idiotic idea come from?
What movie did you watch, what school teaches such nonsense?
From Wisconsinlady's link to Oath Keepers: "5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty and declares the national government to be in violation of the compact by which that state entered the Union."
Those ten Orders We Will Not Obey are all great stuff, but least we forget, this one in particular needs a some context.
The US Civil War did not begin just because several states "asserted their sovereignty" and "declared the national government to be in violation of the compact..."
Rather, it began because the newly formed government of those states immediately started and formally declared war on the United States, in April and May of 1861.
Before that formal declaration of war, there was no US invasion, no subjugation and indeed, not a single Confederate soldier had been killed directly by combat with the US military.
So, a state's "declaration of sovereignty" and "breech of compact" in and of itself might be entirely constitutional.
But, if these are followed by numerous unlawful acts -- as spelled out in the US Constitution -- of rebellion, insurrection, "domestic violence", invasions of Federal property, declarations of war and treason, then the results will be the same as General Washington offered British Cornwallis at Yorktown, Grant offered Lee at Appomattox, and Roosevelt offered the Axis powers in World War II: unconditional surrender.
So don't even think about it.
Behind the scenes there is a massive push to harp on those very words to create hype and ad revenue, right at this very moment they are having strategy meetings on what best products to make pitches for that are correlated to a civil war.
Clothing and fashion?
Subliminal marketing aimed for renaissance Civil War colors?
You get my drift, they are hyping this just so they can create attention spans of viewers and possible ad convinced consumers.