Posted on 01/04/2013 8:39:08 PM PST by neverdem
WXIX-TV Tucson reporter Ben Swann takes a look at what he called the "politically incorrect" truth about the Second Amendment. In his "Reality Check" segment for the local FOX affiliate, Swann explains the true intention behind the Second Amendment.
"This is where American history becomes very politically incorrect because the Second Amendment was not drafted for hunting, or just self defense from an attacker. The Second Amendment was put into place to guarantee the rights of the individual to be equally armed as military, both foreign and domestic, in the event that the citizenry might actually, at some point, have to fight their own government," explained Swann.
"Again, it's a very controversial subject. But if we're going to have a debate about what rights we're actually going to guarantee under the Constitution, then we need to have an honest debate about what the Founders were attempting to guarantee," Swann said.
"The Second Amendment is about making sure the population would not be controlled, dominated or oppressed by a government," Swann explained. "It's not my place to tell you what the Founders were thinking, or what they would be thinking today. But the principle of what they put into place had nothing to do with the kind of weapon they were guaranteeing, it was simply about matching force."
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I know we have "precision" weapons but how do you drop a 500 lb. bomb in an urban neighborhood and hit only the right wingers?
Major cities would be denied water and food in short order.
Various wordings of the Second Amendment were tried during its development. The end result *purposefully* leaves out any enumeration of reasons why an individual has the right to keep and bear Arms. Any reason *why* an individual may or may not keep and bear Arms, was left to the states and the people thereof, to settle among themselves.
The only enumeration in the Second Amendment focuses on what to do about a group of men under Arms - what is to happen when individuals who bear military grade Arms are in a group, and they *are* capable of exercising martial power. What *then,* was to become of that power?
The answer was, that both the states and the federal government would rely upon *the group* being formally mustered, well-regulated, well trained to Arms, well discplined, and answerable to civilian authority.
Both the states and the federal government sought unity of function and preparedness of the militia of each state. The state militiae should be “well trained to Arms” and be capable of, and mindful of, lawfully exercising martial power and respecting lawful civilian authority.
In the old days up to around WW-I times and for a while thereafter, there was a tradition of local militia drilling on the common, the town green, or the county fairgrounds. It gave people an opportunity to remain somewhat familiar with military duty; it helped to keep them from becoming too rusty. It demonstrated the proper practices and discipline *for all to see.*
It is a shame that most communities and counties and states got out of that practice.
All the uses of weapons, firearm or not, for non-military purposes, were left to be decided by the states and their people.
Again, there would be no condition within the Second Amendment, by which you do, or do not, have the right to keep and bear Arms; because, the Founding Fathers correctly anticipated that any such enumerated condition might be used as grounds for an individual to either be forced to bear Arms or be stripped of their Arms.
I shudder to think of the firepower if even every tenth scoped deer rifle was pulled out of the closet and put into service. A tyrant’s loyalist forces could pick just about any street in America and somebody would start picking them off one by one. Drip, drip, drip.
I don't know about all of the services, but I have lived most of my life in Jacksonville, NC, the home of Camp Lejeune Marine Corps Base. I can attest to the fact that these brave men and women would stand for the American people and not the corrupt federal government.
Semper Fi
Au contraire. Fighting against an armed, indigenous insurgency is a challenge for any military however well armed. Unless the government is willing to carpet bomb our cities, they will have a hard time using such weaponry. Or finding enough fellow Americans to carry out such a strategy.
“And again, I point to the fact that any gov unafraid to ruthlessly bomb anything from sky and sea WILL win over those rebels in this day and age”
You mean like how Afghanistan and Iraq were pacified? The way cartels in Mexico were neutralized? lol
It’s a fools errand to try to fight them on their terms, with a similar force in the field. You don’t go try to dogfight F-15s as an insurgent. You kill the pilot with a snub 38 as he is gassing his car on the way home.
A squadrom commander gets a photo of his daughter in the mail. She is walking into the school. Crosshairs are drawn on her.
A geeky drone operator in Vegas is in a bar. A smoking hot 23 year old woman is really into him. She asks what he does. Drunkenly, he tries to impress her by saying he’s a drone pilot at Nellis. He explains to her that drone pilots are fully qualified pilots too. She screws his brains out that night. She asks him to meet her somewhere the next time he’s off.
He is shot dead as he gasses his car. The assailant was a 25 year old man. The older brother of the girl from the bar. They tracked him carefully. They were in Vegas on a mission with a 357 and one box of bullets. You see, their father was killed by a predator drone strike.
Five assembly line workers are murdered in a coordinated sniper attack as they walk into the Martin missile assembly plant that builds the Hellfire missiles. 30% of the workforce quits. The miltary has to secure locations they never dreamed of.
Artillery units are bitter at being asked to fire non precision HE into an American city. Desertions are rampant with crew served weapons. The “loyal” units ust be carefully vetted for locals from the state being attacked.
Tanks are thirsty. The fuel trucks that supply them are driven by the likes of Jessica Lynch. Tanks cannot find a target, but fuel truck drivers are sniped wholesale. Some by freelancers belonging to no organization. They were aa leaderless cell of one and simply saw a target of opportunity.
No,,a resistance movement would not need F-15s or Artillery. All of these examples are happening somewhere in the world right now. Nazis couldnt stop them, we cannot, nobody can. Such wars are unbeliveably violent, and should be avoided at all costs,,,,, except the loss of freedom.
It is the acme of evil that our government is headed straight for despotism and deep corruption. But no, they could not defeat us.
Our entire military was almost ground to hamburger in iraq, which is about the size of Texas. No dice.
“Major cities would be denied water and food in short order”
The economy grinding to a halt,, that’ll be popular with wall street. And the cities the national government decides to starve out, everyone in that city becomes an insurgent. People in other cities watch it and become disgusted, the resistance grows exponentially. Other nations gleefully go to get some revenge and demand the UN to bring an end to the American genocide.
Youtube is filled with heart rending cell phone videos of starving children.
The harder you attack the innocent people, the more the movement grows. They cannot escape the dynamic.
From our other founding document, the Declaration of Indepedence:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
Why the *F* do you think they want to grab them all first?
OK. After the first three or four air strikes on city or urban populations, with a number of 0bamaBot collateral casualties, what direction would the administration’s poll numbers move in and how fast?
Yes, but I haven’t actually heard anything about “hunting rifles” in this latest grabber hysteria. In any case, my point was more in support of Mr. Corleone’s thoughts re: guerrilla warfare. For the record, I see no reason for citizens to be denied access to any man portable system fielded by our military, and I will oppose any firearms ban/registration scheme.
This thread discusses the ways in which insurgents might be able to attack off-duty military.
I reject the argument that it is even necessary to defeat our own military until such time as the military is used against the people.
That will not happen until civil disobedience makes it impossible for those "lesser magistrates" to accomplish the government's objectives.
Prior to the military occupation of Boston and the subsequent outbreak of hostilities which were the American Revolution, there were many incidents of conflict between the colonials and their "lesser magistrates". One example would be the treatment of those who accepted the job of distributing the tax stamps which were required on all official documents by the Stamp Act. Although I am not familiar with the particulars of this topic, I have seen political cartoons of the time depicting the tarring and feathering of these lesser magistrates.
We have already heard from at least one county sheriff in the U.S. that his office will not participate in government confiscation of arms. Those sheriffs who do not take such a stance become the "lesser magistrates" who will have to be convinced or coerced into supporting the people and not the government.
Those lesser magistrates who fail to uphold the Constitution will be expected to leave office.
In reality, if it got to the point of sending in bombers or close-support air strikes, we would already have obtained effective counter weaponry, either by armory or field capture; or by the defection of units loyal to the people/Constitution.
Also, if bombers were used, the U.S. government would not be any more immune from foreign/UN intervention than Saddam, Gaddafi, or Assad. They would be hoisted upon their own Globalist petard...and weapons & supplies would start arriving across both the northern & southern borders.
Precisely. Read the discussion on whether or not there should be a standing Federal Army in the Federalist Papers, and this is evident.
"A well Regulated Militia..." was a well-controlled Army. (Think of what a regulator or regulations do--they control.)
It had little to do with training, but with the ability of the people by force of arms and sheer numbers, to prevent the Army from imposing tyranny as the British had done.
The founders recognized the possibility from the onset, and relied on the overwhelming force of arms in private hands to act as a deterrent to tyrannical government.
-—”The Second Amendment was put into place to guarantee the rights of the individual to be equally armed as military, both foreign and domestic, in the event that the citizenry might actually, at some point, have to fight their own government”
And that is perhaps the best ARGUMENT FOR ALLOWING ASSAULT WEAPONS:
If the government has Assault Weapons, the people should be able to have them to defend themselves from the government!
and boys and girls, that is the way it is done............
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