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Inmates using newspaper's gun owner map to threaten guards, sheriff says (Rockland County)
Fox News ^ | 1/04/13

Posted on 01/04/2013 4:14:10 PM PST by Libloather

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To: Libloather; All

Everyone seems to be missing the underlying problem. The govt. should not have any such list in the first place. Where in the Second Amendment does it say that you need a “permit” to own or possess arms? People would do well to remember the phrase “shall not be infringed.”


51 posted on 01/05/2013 10:31:24 AM PST by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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To: Elsie

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52 posted on 01/05/2013 11:00:48 AM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: NFHale; JRandomFreeper; ProudFossil; ConradofMontferrat; chessplayer

Thanks for straightening me out,guys.

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53 posted on 01/05/2013 3:27:30 PM PST by Mears
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To: Mears; JRandomFreeper; ProudFossil; ConradofMontferrat; chessplayer

Not so much “straightening you out” as it is letting you know you’re not alone, friend.

We’re ALL staring at this abyss right now...and it’s no time to “go wobbly” as the Iron Lady (Mrs. Thatcher) so elegantly put it.

“Lowering” ourselves to their level? Hell...I’m for tunneling UNDER their lowest level and caving the damn ground in under their feet, if that’s what it takes. Capisce?

One team, One Fight. They F*** with one of us, they’ll have to deal with ALL of us.


54 posted on 01/05/2013 4:02:58 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

Capisce !!!!

:-)

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55 posted on 01/05/2013 4:16:22 PM PST by Mears
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To: Mears; NFHale
What he said.

I'd rather be rude and obnoxious (I'm fairly good at that anyway) and get this stopped before my grandchildren are living in a nation in civil war.

/johnny

56 posted on 01/05/2013 4:28:01 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: onyx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nauvoo_Expositor


57 posted on 01/05/2013 5:12:49 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; onyx
Elsie, Onyx... I know the comment at post #50 wasn't intended to seriously suggest that anyone today should follow the model in which the Mormon-run city council of Nauvoo ordered that the printing press of an opposition newspaper be destroyed.

However, let's remember as conservatives that not only the Second Amendment but also the First Amendment are in the Bill of Rights for a reason. Free Republic would be an early target of the current administration, as well as of the Clinton Administration years ago, if we didn't have the guarantees of the First Amendment.

The primary remedy for irresponsible actions like what was done by the New York newspaper is to use our free speech rights to argue against them and convince the public that they're wrong. Other steps such as economic boycotts can work as well — that newspaper has at least two local competitors which are getting lots of new readers offended by the gun owner map. Personally, I hope one or both of them decide this is a marketing opportunity, get some major pro-Second Amendment advertisers, and use the internet to start running an effective daily news alternative to their gun-bashing competitor. It would be wonderful if in two or three years the major local newspaper ends up no longer being the current Gannett paper but rather one of the two locally-owned papers, following a successful appeal to community residents angry about the abuse of a Gannett-owned paper which isn't answerable to local readers.

Finally, this is probably the first case I've seen in at least two decades where I would support amending state law to end public access to government records that are now open. Increasing government secrecy is almost never the right answer to anything — we are, after all, the bosses of the government, not the other way around — but in this case, nobody has yet been able to explain to me any valid public purpose for printing that list of gun owners.

Printing that list was a major mistake, it couldn't have happened in my state of Missouri because no comparable gun owner list exists and the concealed carry permit list is specifically closed to the public, and the newspaper is getting the public attacks that it deserves.

Using the First Amendment is the solution to this problem, not destroying a printing press as was done in Nauvoo.

58 posted on 01/05/2013 6:25:44 PM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina; Elsie

Thanks very much, darrellmaurina. I had not used the link to see what the “Mormon” thing was all about.


59 posted on 01/05/2013 7:58:51 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: onyx; Elsie

Thank you, Onyx.


60 posted on 01/05/2013 9:56:32 PM PST by darrellmaurina
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Printing that list was a major mistake...

Oh?

I think it was NO 'mistake' at all; but a coldly calculated attempt to shore up a faultering business!

NOTHING gets printed with out editorial review and approval.

61 posted on 01/06/2013 1:12:17 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: darrellmaurina
...Gannett-owned paper...

The local Indianapolis Star is now Gannett owned.

The shift in policy from Conservative to Liberal was swift and distasteful; as the Pulliam's sold out a few years back.

When I state to BUY the media; that's EXACTLY what I mean!

62 posted on 01/06/2013 1:16:02 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ConradofMontferrat
I rode the Goldwing to a dove hunt a few years back, traveled west on I-10 from Houston to San Antonio. Had two shotguns, obviously not concealed, and I was in full camo.

I don't remember anyone even looking twice. But this IS Texas, I may have stood out more if I had been wearing motorcycle gear.

63 posted on 01/06/2013 7:50:07 AM PST by DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
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To: Libloather

In Illinois our clown girl attorney general was going to make the FOID card holders public, but the adults or what is left of the adult population had a fit that they would be exposed for their hypocracy and so she relented.


64 posted on 01/06/2013 8:13:56 AM PST by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: Gritty

Do the local Demonrats have a lot of stock investments in safe-building companies?


65 posted on 01/06/2013 9:02:45 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: junta
In Illinois our clown girl attorney general was going to make the FOID card holders public, but the adults or what is left of the adult population had a fit that they would be exposed for their hypocracy and so she relented.

The Madigans, one of many Illinois crime families..

66 posted on 01/06/2013 7:47:22 PM PST by cardinal4 (Constitution? What Constitution?)
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To: Elsie; onyx
We are in full agreement on the problems of Gannett. I understand why the Pulliam family sold — financially, they probably made the right decision, but who could have known that before the 2008 media collapse — and I hope a few years from now, some of the Pulliam family members decide to use the money they earned from their company's sale to fund conservative online news operations. Right now, however, anything in the media is a bad investment, financially speaking.

Also, there's no question that this article was reviewed in detail by the editors in advance, and possibly by the publisher. Many publishers take a deliberate hands-off approach to news content, however, so I can't say that for sure. Often it's best for publishers to be able to say to angry advertisers that they knew nothing about the article in advance. But if the publisher wasn't involved before the article ran, the publisher and the corporate chain of command definitely are involved now, and they have a crisis on their hands.

I do, however, think that many reporters live in a world which is so isolated from conservatives that the editors may not have understood what kind of uproar this would produce. I've spent a lot of time on professional journalism websites since this article appeared trying to make calm and reasonable arguments that there was no journalistic justification for printing this list, and the general response in public and especially in private comments has been along the line of “You know, we never considered that point of view before.”

I think I have been somewhat effective. This article really did not meet the test of being a compelling public interest, and an excellent case can be made from a women's rights (i.e., liberal) perspective that publishing this article caused direct harm to female victims of domestic violence who were relying on the element of surprise as well as their ownership of a gun for their protection. Those two arguments seem to be quite effective in winning people over who may not agree with conservatives on other issues.

“Groupthink” is more of a problem in the media than deliberate and intentional liberalism. I know one large newsroom in a fairly conservative part of Iowa where the only outspoken conservative is a sports reporter, and that indicates the depth of the problem.

Most people on Free Republic are quite aware of what liberals think. By contrast, many liberals don't even know what conservatives think, let alone understand us.

The result is that liberals sometimes seriously overreach and do things that are really stupid because they don't understand how much anger they will generate from those who disagree with them.

67 posted on 01/07/2013 1:52:01 AM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: Mears
"Why lower yourself to their level?"

It's about time we become worse than them. We're swimming with sharks, we need to be whatever scares sharks.
68 posted on 01/07/2013 9:42:01 AM PST by milemark (non blogger)
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A bigger boat?


69 posted on 01/07/2013 1:07:51 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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