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To: KrisKrinkle

The 4th Amendment and its unreasonable search and SEIZURE protection affirms property rights. Especially so when in the case of arms the second amendment affirms the right. There is no question at all here for me


24 posted on 01/04/2013 2:01:27 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer
"The 4th Amendment and its unreasonable search and SEIZURE protection affirms property rights."

And it says "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures..."

Interesting. That changes the stipulation as follows:

Stipulated: “The right of the people to keep and bear arms” pre-exists and does not depend on the US Constitution even though it is stated in and protected by that document. And "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures" pre-exists and does not depend on the US Constitution even though it is stated in and protected by that document. Obviously, absent any other such clearly stated right in regard to real property, a real property owner may not rightfully prevent one of the people to “keep and bear arms” while on the real property owner’s real property as long as the aforesaid "one of the people" is not violating the real property owner's right to be secure in his person, house, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures.

26 posted on 01/04/2013 4:08:57 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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