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We Must Control the Second Amendment Conflict
American Thinker ^ | 1/4/13 | William A Levinson

Posted on 01/04/2013 11:22:29 AM PST by Winged Hussar

The side that controls the language of an argument controls the argument, and the side that takes and maintains the offensive controls the entire conflict. The enemy must then react to our actions instead of making us react to his, and continue to react until he is no longer capable of fighting. We are indeed at war with an adversary with whom good faith and win-win negotiation are not possible.

Recognize Incrementalism for What It Is

Incrementalism is the process whereby an aggressor who cannot achieve his entire long-term objective immediately will seek to do it a piece at a time. The free world's failure to take seriously "Germany today, tomorrow the world" brought untold misery to millions of people. The Arab approach to the destruction of Israel also is incrementalist: Gaza and the West Bank today, and Tel Aviv tomorrow.

The anti-Second Amendment camp's agenda also is incrementalist. Dianne Feinstein now talks about so-called assault weapons, but we must not forget her openly stated desire to ban all handguns -- even revolvers. "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them ... Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here." That's all we need to hear, and all we need to know. This is the civil rights version of "Germany today, tomorrow the world."

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


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1 posted on 01/04/2013 11:22:41 AM PST by Winged Hussar
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To: Winged Hussar

I’m not at all for arguing, conversing about, the ins and outs of what the Second Amendment is, what an Assault Rifle is, how big of a magazine does one need, and so on.

The number one argument is the Second Amendment, period. No hunting, no magazine size, no distinction - it says ARMS, period.

We stand on this or fall to tyranny and we’ll have to decide whether to drag the rest of the sane part of this country in on a conflagration just like our Founding Fathers had to do.

No polite ‘conversation’, no appeasement, no incrementalism - not one bit!


2 posted on 01/04/2013 11:53:29 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

Eventually there will be confiscation.

How can we make the job of confiscator so unpalatable no one will take it?


3 posted on 01/04/2013 12:04:40 PM PST by Joe Bfstplk
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To: Winged Hussar

To assist in making the author’s point:

There was no AK used in the Newton shootings.
There was a long gun in the trunk of his car.
All shooting was from FOUR handguns.
The Sheriff and M.E. LIED!

In Aurora, the rifle jammed early and MOST of the damage was done with the buckshot from the shotgun.

The media and LEOs have made this information VERY difficult to find.


4 posted on 01/04/2013 12:09:44 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Joe Bfstplk

There are a few things that could be done, but I’m not going to detail them here...all I can say is forewarned is forearmed - be diligent and think about what you want to do.


5 posted on 01/04/2013 12:10:39 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: Joe Bfstplk
How can we make the job of confiscator so unpalatable no one will take it?

Make sure that confiscation becomes a high-risk occupation.

6 posted on 01/04/2013 12:14:55 PM PST by Noumenon (One individual with courage, determination and a rifle can change the course of history.)
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To: Joe Bfstplk
Eventually there will be confiscation.

How can we make the job of confiscator so unpalatable no one will take it?


Will you enforce gun confiscation against the citizens? On this issue, the answer was resounding and unanimous: NO!

Exclusive: Cops, detectives,.... tell Natural News they will not enforce gun confiscation orders
7 posted on 01/04/2013 12:26:29 PM PST by Svartalfiar
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To: G Larry
The media and LEOs have made this information VERY difficult to find.

Having found it, now, perhaps you would share a source?

8 posted on 01/04/2013 12:26:29 PM PST by grobdriver
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To: Noumenon
Make sure that confiscation becomes a high-risk occupation.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/941683/John%20Ross%20-%20Unintended%20Consequences.pdf

9 posted on 01/04/2013 12:28:18 PM PST by grobdriver
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To: grobdriver

ya know, not everybody has 24/7 to do your homework for you....

>http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/340113<

2 videos

1st - Weapon too damn long for an AR

2nd - no rifle brought into the school....only 4 handguns


10 posted on 01/04/2013 12:41:31 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Winged Hussar

The anti-Second Amendment camp’s agenda also is incrementalist. Dianne Feinstein now talks about so-called assault weapons, but we must not forget her openly stated desire to ban all handguns — even revolvers.

Nelson T. ‘Pete’ Shields
Founder of Handgun Control, Inc.

“I’m convinced that we have to have federal legislation to build on. We’re going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily — given the political realities — going to be very modest. Of course, it’s true that politicians will then go home and say, ‘This is a great law. The problem is solved.’

And it’s also true that such statements will tend to defuse the gun-control issue for a time. So then we’ll have to strengthen that law, and then again to strengthen that law, and maybe again and again. Right now, though, we’d be satisfied not with half a loaf but with a slice.

Our ultimate goal — total control of handguns in the United States — is going to take time. My estimate is from seven to ten years. The problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns sold in this country.

The second problem is to get them all registered. And the final problem is to make the possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition — except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors — totally illegal.”

-Pete Shields, Chairman and founder, Handgun Control Inc., “A Reporter At Large: Handguns,” The New Yorker, July 26, 1976, 57-58


11 posted on 01/04/2013 12:44:21 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (GUNS.. the rightful property of freemen, and formidable only to tyrannical governments.”)
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To: Winged Hussar
You want to control it? Make that one issue about "class," and there would be no more efforts to violate our Second Amendment. Think...Turner, Gates, Murdoch, others. It's already about class. They're only wanting to outlaw middle and lower class ownership of firearms. It's politics, and our country has been corrupted. Be ruthless.

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12 posted on 01/04/2013 12:53:50 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Gaffer

“I’m not at all for arguing, conversing about, the ins and outs of what the Second Amendment is...”

To not do so is a concession to our opposition and what they will come up with unopposed, they will use to persuade those in the middle to their benefit and our detriment.


13 posted on 01/04/2013 12:54:34 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: KrisKrinkle

I’m disappointed that you’ve bought into this ‘conversation’ stuff. You really should know by now that when you debate them on their opening arguments and points, they change them to something else midstream when they find out you’re open to debating it.

Being ‘open’ to debating it is the same thing as surrender in their eyes, and they have a dozen, two dozen other silly ass “touchy-feely” heart tug questions and debate points to further draw you up in an unwinable ‘conversation’... you cannot win this ‘conversation’ with the media (all of it, even your drive time, and your teachers and their unions, etc.) You just can’t.


14 posted on 01/04/2013 12:59:59 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: Winged Hussar
"This is the civil rights version of 'Germany today, tomorrow the world.'"

More than most people notice. Take a look at the older fascist cultures that most of the anti-Second-Amendment politicians and activists came from.


15 posted on 01/04/2013 1:08:37 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Gaffer
Gaffer said: "... they change them to something else midstream ..."

When a liberal I know brought up the great concern we should all have for "global warming", I asked him how much warming there had been since 1998.

He said he wasn't sure but thought that it was "about 3 degrees", I told him that the answer was ZERO.

He immediately responded, "Well what about all the glaciers melting?"

The fact that there might have been NO WARMING FOR 14 YEARS seemed to have little relevance whatever.

16 posted on 01/04/2013 1:15:29 PM PST by William Tell
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To: G Larry

Is there any conclusive proof of what guns were and weren’t used in the Newtown shootings? A Remington shotgun (not a rifle) was in the trunk, that’s all I know.


17 posted on 01/04/2013 1:29:48 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Joe Bfstplk
How can we make the job of confiscator so unpalatable no one will take it?

There are so many ways to do that it would take a book to describe them all.

18 posted on 01/04/2013 1:36:35 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Gaffer
Excellent. There is no discussion on the 2nd Amendment, period. The PROBLEM is that children get no DISCIPLINE in the schools and rarely at home. Until THAT changes, violence and FEARLESS, UNCHECKED BEHAVIOR continues. Put some MEN in the schools.. 100% estrogen 'father figures' all the time for boys ain't cuttin' it.

Absence of discipline of children is the problem. ABSOLUTELY.

19 posted on 01/04/2013 1:39:36 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Gaffer

“I’m disappointed that you’ve bought into this ‘conversation’ stuff.”

Actually, I’m more interested in a conversation among those on our side of the issue.

Stipulated: “The right of the people to keep and bear arms” pre-exists and does not depend on the US Constitution even though it is stated in and protected by that document. An owner of real property has no such clearly stated right in regard to real property. Obviously, a real property owner may not rightfully prevent one of the people to “keep and bear arms” while on the real property owner’s real property.

If you are “not at all for arguing, conversing about, the ins and outs of what the Second Amendment is...”, your possibly helpful thoughts on the above stipulation may remain unknown to others who would be helped by them.


20 posted on 01/04/2013 1:40:55 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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