Skip to comments.What happened in the House; the best course now...
Posted on 01/04/2013 8:33:42 AM PST by txrangerette
Being able to describe something accurately is the first step to understanding it, then fashioning a course of action.
What happened in the House Speaker vote is that, although some opposition to Boehner began to surface, no candidate ran for the position against him. For days Mark Levin has been urging an opponent to run, but nobody did. Therefore, the options were Boehner, Pelosi, or continued votes without a winner.
You can't beat somebody with nobody. Many thought Cantor was going to challenge Boehner when Cantor and the other leadership voted against the "cliff deal". They were mistaken. It's possible Cantor had thoughts of that, who knows? But could've concluded he would not pull the necessary votes to win. Conservatives unhappy with Boehner would have a hard time voting for Cantor instead. Not much of a change except in personalities...
On other threads certain House members are being attacked for voting Boehner. If that's your opinion, fine, but please be armed with the FACT that Boehner had no opponent but Pelosi.
Going forward, my advice is directed to those who sound like they are going to hole up in their houses with their guns nearby and tell the political world farewell (hunkering down in gall and bitterness and an "I told you so" to everyone who still fights for America as we knew it), or else, throw their hopes into a variety of third parties.
For your own sakes, it's not a good idea to cut yourself off from sources of support outside of your "bunker". Just a word to the wise, but of course you will do as you wish. For America's sake, Mark Levin exemplifies the better course going forward. Parsing out America's plight, he is working on a plan for state and local action to counter ALL that has gone wrong in Washington DC.
Meanwhile, until he gets that ready for rollout, he still supports those who are worthy of it. Such as Ted Cruz. There are others, too. But I want to give one example because if I give a few others, THOSE people will become issues from critics who have axs to grind, rather than the general point I'm making.
Consensus amongst the people I know is that Boehner won because no one else wanted this job.
It will be a thankless, losing rear-guard action, with Obama and his media allies taking turns beating the snot out them for standing in the way of this Glorious Socialism the country voted for in November. Most likely that means Speaker Pelosi retakes her gavel 2 yrs. from today.
I think our best hope is that the Dems overreach on gun control. That always blows up in their face, and I think provides our very best chance to hang on to the House if they are stupid enough to persist.
If you are going to try to kill the king you have to be danged sure you DO kill the king.
I just can’t force myself to care about the republican party any longer.
With guys like Cantor behind you, who would want this job? It is noteworthy Cantor did not throw his hat in the ring.
It looks like a loser of a job because of how it has been performed recently.
But, any speaker has the majority....
1. no new law can be passed without passing the House, and
2. no further tax increases can be levied without a bill originating in the House (and passing there, of course)...
Put simply, a Republican speaker with half the cajones of Pelousi could be very effective in the job ... could indeed make it (again) into a real “winner” of a position.... for him/herself, and for the country.
Thanks for placing this on the sidebar...evidently what I checked when formulating the post didn’t place it there...
Much more interesting! By Far
Unless I am mistaken sequestration sets in in two months if nothing is done.
Therefore the GOP should do nothing to raise the debt ceiling and just let sequestration set in.
Now if they want to raise the debt ceiling, then the price for that should be deeper cuts to government spending.
This should be a slam dunk — but watch them blow it.
By all means that needs a thread all of its own.
Agreed, but a LINK to the video is even MORE interesting!
It is what it is or what we have is what we’ve got. You have to work/live with that for the time being. That doesn’t mean you can’t try to change things even if only the smaller items. No one was willing to step forward and place their name into the mix and fight for major change thus as you say it was either Pelosi or Boehner.
14 members voted for someone not in nomination and one member voted present and there were 6 no votes. Five democrats didn’t vote for Pelosi and a total of ten republicans didn’t vote for Boehner.
For now, Mark Levin concludes that there are no answers to our plight to be found in Washington DC. He still supports certain individuals in office he feels are worthy, but he’s talking about the big picture. That’s why he’s working on a plan for state and local action. Won’t spill the details yet, saying its not ready for rollout.
I agree with you that nobody else wanted the position except of course for Pelosi.
I still can’t get over that Pelosi was a candidate. WTH? Maybe, it’s just me, but I’m sensing a pattern where the “opponent” is *so* outrageous that all one can say when it’s all over is “at least it wasn’t the other one”. Suuuuucks.
I agree that it's a thankless job and because of this nobody wanted it despite all the talk.
But I'm hoping that in days ahead more attention is going to be focused on Reid and the Senate. For some reason Reid has been able to escape scrutiny while he has done NOTHING to propose any legislation.
All eyes have been on Boehner and he has taken many arrows for daring to come up with some proposals but I think Reid is about to have to come under some of that...or at least I hope so.
Ted Cruz, Jim DeMint and so many others are being constructive and doing what is possible to advance conservatism. State Houses are building up conservative strongholds. They’re smart, focused and determined to make a stand. They need our support. The point of your post is well taken. There are days I wonder, what is the “game” some are playing?
The Left is dug in deep; they’ve successfully exploded the number of Americans who live in a reality TV stupor; nicely tenderized in an Anti-American/anti-Capitalism/pro-Green nightmare sauce bottled by socialist academics and sold by the socialist media. They’re motivated by hate - misdirected envy - they’ve drunk the public school - media kool-aid - the perfect Obama, Pelosi, Reid electorate.
The balance of freedom is on the line. We need to recognize who is fighting back; who is working to bring this out into the open. We must push/elect people who have the same goals. Boehner is Exhibit A (he didn’t become Speaker by some fluke and he is powerful enough to keep his seat). But the handwriting is on the wall. Conservatives are building up their forces on the Hill and around the country. The specter of their growing numbers does more than what an unsuccessful vote to unseat Boehner would have accomplished (marginalized “fringe, tea party darlings” - as the media would assert and crow about).
Certainly those who never lack for something to find fault with, are not going to change their ways — they live for the grouse, the attack, the purity of their position - they are loud and in your face, nothing is ever good enough, coalitions are for the “weak” - etc, etc, etc. The glass is always empty and it’s time to chuck it.
Conservatism is on the march and the Left is determined to label it “angry, mean, selfish and shrinking” (in low information voters’ minds and those retiring on little, or out of work and worried - paint the GOP nonviable, a negative, out-of-touch group in total disarray). Cruz, DeMint and Rubio can articulate what conservatism represents and they will continue to build and rally the base. They’re building up what so many can only tear down.
Posts like yours go a long way toward elevating the truth and presenting the real issues.
As always, there are principles and there is also MATH involved in a course of action. Those who are determined to go off by themselves and rail at fate are ignoring both.
The majority in our REVOLUTION weren’t involved on our side. They were either apathetic, vasillating between sides, or openly FOR the our oppressors. Despite that, our side ultimately WON, bringing us what we have been blessed to know as AMERICA, under the principles of our Founders. Nothing like it has ever been seen before in our world.
Although not the majority in their day, they organized they engaged, they planned, they fought and never quit, until their minority WON and gave us what we have.
What they didn’t do is give up, fragment, splinter, divide, go hide, run off as individuals in all directions, and hole up in their houses with their guns at hand waiting for something to happen. While attacking everyone else who was fighting for AMERICA to be born.
We have so many FACTS at our disposal. Back then information was short, hard to come by and took a long time to gather. What excuse do we have when in our anger and disgust we fail to note that Boehner had no opponent. No House GOP member ran against him. Of course we can deplore the situation, but what sense is there in attacking those who voted for him? The alternative was Pelosi or continued votes where nobody ever won.
This splintering into a plethora of third parties is even WORSE. Do the MATH, people. All that does is subtract from potential support to coalesce in counterattacking the people who are destroying AMERICA.
They say people didn’t turn out enough for Mitt Romney. I say there was fraud, but let’s say that’s right, they didn’t turn out. That would be conservatives who didn’t like Obama’s opponent so much, they didn’t bother to stop Obama from what he is doing now and will do to this country.
How did THAT work out?
So don’t try to tell me that we need MORE of that in order to save us.
Ted Cruz is making sense. You mentioned two others. I’m staying away from that right now, as undoubtedly the splinter types will go after anyone who’s mentioned because they’re imperfect, and my point is a general one.
Thanks for your insightful comments. They paint a true picture of how far we’ve fallen thanks to how far the LEFT has infiltrated and taken over this society.
We have far to go, IOW, but so did the REVOLUTIONARIES.
Some take the easy, familiar path, attacking those who do the heavy lifting, yet who "fall short" of their critics' ideals and timelines (sullenly ignoring realities); these critics hold court from their well worn, familiar chairs of despair. No one worth their salt wants to join up with pessimists. They gravitate instead toward smart, go-getting optimists.
Levin says no telling right now how long it will take to right this ship. Our enemies within have been at this a very LONG time.
Reminds me of the book title, “While England Slept”. Only this time it’s America and it’s the enemy within. It would be appropriate for a book now to be entitled, “While America Slept”.
When you’ve observed the slow but inexorable attack from within for many years, but expect the ship to turn on a dime and right itself on your instant command, and when it doesn’t you either go it alone, or divide with a few others in a space about the size of an old phone booth, all because nobody exactly, precisely fits your bill and because you’re angry and depressed, you harm both yourself and your country (what’s left of it).
What is more important?