Posted on 01/04/2013 1:34:11 AM PST by ednoonan7
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Until you have a basic understanding of Natural Law you cannot even debate the issue.
I have no intention of debating anything. Obama is a natural born citizen, he's been certified eligible for the presidency -- twice -- so I'm not sure what we'd debate about.
No point in exposing the fraud as far as you are concerned. Obama would be proud of you.
No point in exposing the fraud as far as you are concerned. Obama would be proud of you.
I don't really care what Obama's opinion of me is any more than I care what your opinion of me is. Obama is a citizen now and he was never naturalized, which means he must have been a citizen by birth which makes him NBC. You have no evidence to the contrary, so there's no fraud to expose.
Of course, that's the beauty of conspiracy theories: the weaker your case, the more proof that you have of a massive conspiracy.
Excellent post!
And now we have this to contend with:
So you are saying he is a citizen according to the 14th Amendment?
That would mean he was made a citizen by congress (naturalized by birth).
Natural born Citizen's do not require any law made by man. They are the natives of the country and they are the source of the legitimacy of the government. The government is not the legitimizer of the membership of its natural native members. They, the members, created the government, -it didn't create them or their natural rights or their natural membership. Their natural rights are passed from parents to children with their children being new natural members by birth.
Ummm, no, he is a dual Citizen at best. That is if we are to accept that his father is BO sr.
If you seriously want to challenge how your tax $ are spent, start there. Or perhaps you are satisfied that 1.9 million of your tax dollars was spent on a project at the California Academy of Sciences in San Francisco to study ants. Or the University of North Carolina at Charlotte's $750,000 in stimulus funds to help develop a computerized choreography program that its creators believe could lead to a YouTube-like “Dance Tube” online application.
I could go on, but I'm still on my first cup of coffee and this is irritating me.
Godebert: So you are saying he is a citizen according to the 14th Amendment?
No, I'm saying he's a citizen because his mother was a citizen and so he was born a citizen.
Godebert: Their natural rights are passed from parents to children with their children being new natural members by birth.
And Obama's mother was a citizen. See? You agree with me.
Las Vegas Ron: Ummm, no, he is a dual Citizen at best.
The United States Constitution doesn't recognize a "dual citizen" category. You're either an American citizen by birth (natural born), or by naturalization. Whether or not Obama's father conveyed citizenship in the eyes of some other country is not relevant.
Educate yourself:
The Unwritten Law of Natural Citizenship
Thanks, but I'm content with the written laws of the United States of America.
Obama judge. Rabid, vicious, liberal.
Only when there's a budget to baseline and we haven't had one for years.
Yes it does, that is why the Founders Grandfathered themselves in for NBC status.
Also see: "However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries."http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html
Bammie is not an NBC.
I do quite a bit of negotiating in my job, among very contentious people and entities.
The key to winning is a negotiation, in my experience, is based on two things:
1. You must be willing to walk away from the table, knowing that doing nothing is as bad as it can be.
2. You must be willing to ignore the clock. It is human nature to be concerned about deadlines. Almost all deadlines are in a person’s head, and can be circumvented. The person who is a slave to the clock is the loser.
We see this effectively used by the Democrat Senate and President. They capitalized on the Republican’s universal feeling that to get no deal done is the worst outcome. Boner lost the negotiation in a national interview when he said no matter what, a deal will be done. I knew then that he would cave, and so did every Democrat in the country.
We also see the use of the artificial deadline, which could have been circumvented. Would everyone just give up and go home at 12:01 a.m. on 1/1/13? Really?
We need some adults conducting negotiations. We will continue down this path for the next two years, and we will lose control of the House in two years as a result.
We are not setting the terms of the debate, we are not forcing the choice of language, we have no short or long-term plan, we have no vision, we have no unity of purpose, and we have no stomach to walk away from the deal.
There is no effective Republican representation. If I were a Democrat, I would double down and kick some ass. Watch for it to see if I am right.
Yes [the Constitution recognizes a "dual citizen" category]
Quote the part of the Constitution that addresses dual citizenship, please.
Then there should be no reason not to read this:
Forget that part, I misread your post.
Now address the dual citizenship link from the State Department.
Bammis is a dual citizen, get oveer it.
For some reason some posters need to come on these threads and defend obama, they've been doing it for as long as the issue has been around.
I'm surprised though that some of the regulars haven’t shown up, they rarely miss an opportunity to use their ridicule tactics.
Your strange phrase: “’A natural born citizen’ is someone who was an American citizen at the time of their birth”, is meaningless. How, in your mind, is it possible to be a citizen before birth?
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