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Police Kicked Out Of Belleville Denny’s For Being Armed
CBS St. Luois ^ | January 3, 2013

Posted on 01/03/2013 9:09:24 PM PST by grundle

BELLEVILLE, Ill. (KMOX) – Belleville police chief Bill Clay is ordering his officers to get their pancakes from anywhere but Denny’s, calling the restaurant “political stupidness.”

The new orders come after a New Year’s Day clash between five detectives and one Denny’s manager.

The department says the detectives were out of uniform but wearing their badges, when manager David Rice asked them to either leave or put their guns in their vehicle.

Rice, told the detectives that one of their weapons, specifically a female detective’s gun, was making another diner feel uncomfortable.

As the officers were leaving, without their food, General Manager Michael Van walked up and corrected the manager and said it was fine for them to stay, but the officers said it would be too awkward and they left.

Denny’s corporate office has released an apology saying, “Denny’s policy permits law enforcement officials to carry their firearms in the restaurant and we regret any misunderstanding.”

An employee at the Belleville Denny’s didn’t want to talk about the confrontation to KMOX, but some Denny’s customers said the presence of police and their guns was not an issue.


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1 posted on 01/03/2013 9:09:33 PM PST by grundle
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To: grundle

I’m guessing that licensed carry by civilians is also verboten? Isn’t it time for a divorce already?


2 posted on 01/03/2013 9:12:47 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Doesn’t say a lot for Denny’s management training program, does it. ?


3 posted on 01/03/2013 9:18:01 PM PST by chiller (Do not consume any NBCNews;MTPTodayNightlyNewsMorningJoeMSNBCBrianWilliams)
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To: grundle

And yet when they need emergency services to urgently respond....


4 posted on 01/03/2013 9:19:06 PM PST by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: chiller

At least McDonald’s has Hamburger University.


5 posted on 01/03/2013 9:21:59 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: grundle

Go figure.
A cop is more dangerous than a Grand Slam Breakfast.


6 posted on 01/03/2013 9:22:17 PM PST by llevrok (ObamaLand - Where young people go to retire.)
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To: grundle

The 2a is not concerned with the comfort of anyone, nor does it make exceptions for the ballless.

It’s about time we ALL point that out to the ‘offended’. And stand by it.


7 posted on 01/03/2013 9:23:32 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: grundle
Rice, told the detectives that one of their weapons, specifically a female detective’s gun, was making another diner feel uncomfortable.

Is it that hard for a detective to keep her weapon concealed???

8 posted on 01/03/2013 9:24:55 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: grundle

Hey go easy on Dennys! I mean really,they are honestly trying to rectify what comes down to one low level manager who is a libtard freak. Sounds like the guy immediatley above realized what is going on.

They are meeting with the chief later this week, and will most likely offer unlimited pancakes for a year on the house fo the boys. Im sure Dennys doesnt want to lose the cop biz.Im glad this went national and brings the chicken little hysteria to light.


9 posted on 01/03/2013 9:25:16 PM PST by DeathBeforeDishonor1
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To: Norm Lenhart

Thank you!

Belleville. Sounds similar to a sanitarium anyway.


10 posted on 01/03/2013 9:27:53 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: grundle

Is there any reason a business should treat police officers carrying guns any differently than civilians?


11 posted on 01/03/2013 9:28:27 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: grundle

Welcome to Obama’s America..where being armed is a dirty word, just like being successful is a dirty word


12 posted on 01/03/2013 9:31:00 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: DeathBeforeDishonor1

More groveling needed on this one. I didn’t see anything about meeting with the chief in the above story.


13 posted on 01/03/2013 9:33:21 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: RitaOK

We may disagree elsewhere Rita, but we are lockstep here ;)


14 posted on 01/03/2013 9:33:43 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: grundle

I don’t blame Denny’s. I mean c’mon they have a reputation as a family restaurant to uphold.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jepe68XC6tU
Denny’s fight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOofWO6tbRY
Denny’s fight Chicopee Ma.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnWlTyZLQhQ
Denny’s fight East Oakland

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVkA3ZhmBpc
Denny’s fight North Hollywood

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLEI10SoRhE
Denny’s fight Redlands Ca.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FD5dvSCv84
Denny’s fight Somewhere USA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWy84lTl_nU
Denny’s fight Dallas Tx.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR3BlDstnTs
Denny’s fight Dayton Oh.

Pages and Pages of Denny’s fine customer base on youtube.


15 posted on 01/03/2013 9:36:06 PM PST by barmag25
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To: Uncle Chip

Then tell the other customer to grow up and quit being afraid of shadows


16 posted on 01/03/2013 9:36:14 PM PST by Fai Mao
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To: Uncle Chip

Then tell the other customer to grow up and quit being afraid of shadows


17 posted on 01/03/2013 9:36:25 PM PST by Fai Mao
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To: DeathBeforeDishonor1

I don’t know if the policies are still in place but years ago all of the fast-food chains gave free food to police officers just for the ‘free’ security. That is why fast-food restaurants are not very often robbed. the thugs know that police are usually there.


18 posted on 01/03/2013 9:41:41 PM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
Is there any reason a business should treat police officers carrying guns any differently than civilians?

In Illinois, nobody, not even the police are going to be allowed to carry soon. It's for the children!!!

I can not imagine living in a place like that. the cops in a Denny's here are probably out gunned by civilians at any given moment.

19 posted on 01/03/2013 9:43:58 PM PST by DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
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To: Norm Lenhart

Whaaat?

Some utterance of mine would give pause? Or, paws?

That’s kind of a surprise, I rather remember your remarks with esteem.
:D.

(Hang in there, surely you will come around, wherever we may have disagreed). %;)


20 posted on 01/03/2013 9:44:05 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: DeathBeforeDishonor1
If those cops go back in there they are crazy. No telling what kind of bodily fluids they will be ingesting. Come to think about it if I was a cop I would have to just pack my own lunch everyday. Reminds me of that scene from super troopers where the guy goes to a drive through and places his order then tells them its for a cop.
21 posted on 01/03/2013 9:47:43 PM PST by Vote 4 Nixon (EAT...FISH...SLEEP...REDUX)
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To: DeathBeforeDishonor1

I doubt a diner cared about the guns. My guess is the idiot manager who kicked them out.


22 posted on 01/03/2013 9:51:11 PM PST by matt04
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To: RitaOK

Unless I’m mistaken (quite possibly) we got into it back in the primary season. But that was then and it’s a whole new day.

Or I am just wrong and will feel awful sheepish about it ;)


23 posted on 01/03/2013 9:52:45 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: grundle

Denny’s acted stupidly. Time for Bambi to call a bacon & eggs summit.


24 posted on 01/03/2013 9:53:54 PM PST by rfp1234 (Arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a pigeon.)
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To: grundle

Glad to see Denny’s corporate making amends in good faith. I like their Santa Fe skillets. Hate to boycott them, too.


25 posted on 01/03/2013 9:57:50 PM PST by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: grundle

Illinois is famously uncomfortable about guns among the people.

Ah, but now, just this once, some people are uncomfortable about guns among the governing, but now just LISTEN to the cat-calls and tsk-tsking...!

Fair for me, but NOT for THEE...!!!

The insanity has continued there for so long on the people precisely because the insanity did not fall on the governing class themselves.

I support Denny’s, here.


26 posted on 01/03/2013 9:58:38 PM PST by gaijin
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To: Norm Lenhart

Oh. May be. We both lost, in the end, I’m sure of that. Thx. Rita.


27 posted on 01/03/2013 10:00:06 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

Years ago I knew a cop who pulled over a teenage girl for speeding. The first thing she said was “I work at McDonald’s and you know we give you free hamburgers, don’t you?”

The cop said “You’ve never given me a free one because I don’t accept them.” Then he wrote her a ticket.


28 posted on 01/03/2013 10:05:11 PM PST by Terry Mross ( I post so people who hate me will know what I think. And they can't seem to stop reading. LOL)
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To: grundle

How Ironic. Denny’s 2012 Ad

http://youtu.be/T7wYm0cYEOI

I wonder if this is a rogue manager


29 posted on 01/03/2013 10:11:54 PM PST by tsowellfan
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To: Vote 4 Nixon
"Does that look like spit to you?"
30 posted on 01/03/2013 10:13:19 PM PST by EEGator
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To: Impala64ssa

See Denny’s Ad post 29


31 posted on 01/03/2013 10:13:49 PM PST by tsowellfan
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To: grundle

Denny’s sounds like a criminal magnet. I’ll eat somewhere else.


32 posted on 01/03/2013 10:20:28 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Uncle Chip
Is it that hard for a detective to keep her weapon concealed???

Depends on the weapon and on the holster and on the clothes. But even if the gun is concealable in principle, why to do so if you can carry it openly, and clothes over the gun will cost you a couple seconds if you have to draw it? Police has to deal with very nasty people. What if there is a fugitive dining at the restaurant?

33 posted on 01/03/2013 10:36:16 PM PST by Greysard
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To: grundle

I know if I were a criminal I’d rob that Dennys.


34 posted on 01/03/2013 10:42:33 PM PST by Crucial (Tolerance at the expense of equal treatment is the path to tyranny.)
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To: grundle

bfl


35 posted on 01/04/2013 12:24:13 AM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Norm Lenhart

The 2nd amendment doesn’t preserve your right to keep and bear arms on other people’s property. It is entirely beside the point.


36 posted on 01/04/2013 12:46:23 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: RitaOK

Screw the chief. I don’t care about him. Tell your officers to not enforce the law somewhere else, if Dennys hurt you’d feelings.


37 posted on 01/04/2013 12:48:53 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: RitaOK

Screw the chief. I don’t care about him. Tell your officers to not enforce the law somewhere else, if Dennys hurt your feelings.


38 posted on 01/04/2013 12:49:21 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: grundle

Know this Denny’s and I need to remind myself to write you directly, I will not ever eat at any of your stores again.

I don’t care if this was a rogue franchisee. You are FUp’s and FK’d up in the head.

You ain’t right morally or spiritually.


39 posted on 01/04/2013 12:50:22 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Tublecane

Drinking again? Police have legal authority to carry their weapons anywhere while on duty, and with a CCP, anywhere, ibid, ipso facto and ad infinitum.

I’d rather have a group of police officers with guns in a Denny’s than have an unarmed group of police officers in a Denny’s. Robbers like Denny’s. Armed cops don’t like robbers. Armed cops capture or kill armed robbers. People can eat in peace.

A piece of pie for desert, garcon!


40 posted on 01/04/2013 1:01:40 AM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Police have legal authority to carry weapons anywhere while on duty? Like in my house? Not if I refuse them entry, and in the absence of probable cause or the sort of “exigent circumstances” that judges are constantly expanding. Restaurants reserve the right to refuse service at their discretion, which derives from freedom of association and private property rights. Cops, onduty or not, possess no special right to service.

This is pointless chatter, by the way, as you are responding to my post about the 2nd amendment. Police privilege is another matter entirely.


41 posted on 01/04/2013 1:15:53 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: grundle

Bad move, dennys. Dunkin donuts would never do that.


42 posted on 01/04/2013 2:09:51 AM PST by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: grundle

I predict tickets. Lot’s of tickets...


43 posted on 01/04/2013 2:49:31 AM PST by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: lowbridge
An image from Starbucks...


44 posted on 01/04/2013 2:50:12 AM PST by Daffynition (Self-respect: the secure feeling that no one, as yet, is suspicious. ~ HLM)
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To: Greysard

If their badge is exposed they can carry openly, on duty, off duty or plain clothes. thats the way it was with my department.


45 posted on 01/04/2013 4:24:27 AM PST by Dusty Road
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To: Teacher317
And yet when they need emergency services to urgently respond....

...They'll wait like the rest of us.
46 posted on 01/04/2013 5:17:38 AM PST by 762X51
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To: grundle

“I’ll have the Reginald Denny Headslam Breakfast, please”


47 posted on 01/04/2013 5:30:49 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Greysard

These were detectives not uniformed police officers. I have never seen a detective carry their weapon openly. Only one detective in this group had the weapon showing — and it was a she who probably wanted to show her macho. None of the other detectives had their weapons showing.

This Dennys is two blocks from the police station. Surely the police chief has a policy that covers display of weapons by non-uniformed officers aka detectives when in public establishments.

The fact that the police chief here referred to the badges on the belt or around the neck as some kind of justification for displaying their weapons shows that he’s trying to stretch the meaning of “uniformed officer” to cover plain clothes detectives — but it won’t work.

Badges on belts that cannot be seen or hanging around the neck that can be tucked into the shirt don’t make you a uniformed officer.


48 posted on 01/04/2013 6:41:47 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: grundle
Boiling the article down I came away with the following:

1. A Denny's manager claimed that the presence of the armed police officers were making his customers uncomfortable.

2. The Denny's general manager later claimed that most of the customers weren't uncomfortable with the presence of armed police officers.

So, my question is - how much time did it take the general manger to fire his subordinate? Or, was the subordinate one of America's numerous “protected sub-species” who can not be fired no matter how bad their individual performance is?

49 posted on 01/04/2013 6:51:49 AM PST by Nip (BOHEICA and TANSTAAFL - both seem very appropriate today.)
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To: Uncle Chip
"Is it that hard for a detective to keep her weapon concealed???"

But that's part of the problem, isn't it? We now live in a society where men are no longer men, but instead sniveling, feminized little quislings who tremble and squeal at the sight of a gun. So everyone is expected to go to any length to nursemaid and humor these idiots.

I no longer recognize this country; it's become an alien landscape.

50 posted on 01/04/2013 7:49:07 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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