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1 posted on 01/02/2013 10:55:25 AM PST by neverdem
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The citizens of Illinois can always refuse to cooperate. Their defense is the Second Amendment.


42 posted on 01/02/2013 11:53:24 AM PST by popdonnelly
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I guess over 530 murders in Chicago was just not enough to quench the liberal blood lust. No, they have to ban guns for all law abiding citizens so all law abiding citizens can become soft targets for criminals. With the whole state virtually a gun free zone, criminals will have the run of Illinois.
43 posted on 01/02/2013 11:57:22 AM PST by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the Whitehouse.)
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I knew they would try something.

Odds are, it’ll probably pass.


44 posted on 01/02/2013 12:04:10 PM PST by wastedyears (My life mostly completely turned around in a few weeks. Now to leave NY...)
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If the IL RATs are dumb enough to pass this bill, its enforcement will be enjoined immediately by a federal judge (or by the 5th Circuit), which would be the third time in three years that IL is b1tch-slapped for its gun-grabbing by the federal judiciary.


48 posted on 01/02/2013 12:19:49 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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49 posted on 01/02/2013 12:19:57 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools we will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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If you ban every semi-auto with no grandfathering, why would anyone need a 10 round magazine?

I don’t think this or anything close to it will pass or survive longer than 2 minutes without a successful court challenge, but...

Mr. Cullerton, there are at least 1.4 million legal gun owners in Illinois. There are about 3,600 employees (note, that’s employees, not patrol officers) of the Illinois State Police. How do you plan on collecting the firearms from those 1.4 million people? Do you really expect the State’s Attorneys of Illinois to spend the time and money to prosecute them all if they refuse to become defenseless?


50 posted on 01/02/2013 12:23:27 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Don't worry about the cliff. We're going to all land on some rich guy's wallet.)
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The correct answer is to take to the phones/streets immediately and try to stop this unconstitutional and evil gun grab. If that fails, the next answer is to resist evil, including (but not limited to) fighting in court. After that, there are a number of options, and among the presumably legal ones would be air guns, where I found a sweet fully automatic air rifle online that I am checking out. There are also air rifles as big as .45 caliber, black powder (which can be made convenient), crossbows (high lethality, which I like for the application), and many other options even for those who choose to stay within this unjust and unconstitutional proposed law.

If I lived in Illinois and was limited to bolt action and actually following that law, I would get a big one where the first shot does the trick. There are some very nice bolt action rifles where one shot would be just fine. They are expensive, but AR-15s are expensive now too (a dealer I know just sold a nice, fully-loaded and accurized AR for over $5k), and I imagine someone from IL could sell/trade rifle for rifle with someone from another state who wanted the rate of fire and would give up the stopping power in return.


54 posted on 01/02/2013 12:25:56 PM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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Gun control has worked beautifully in Chicago ... well, if by ‘beautifully’ you mean giving a billion dollar industry over to organized crime.... AND having high murder rates...


55 posted on 01/02/2013 12:26:58 PM PST by GOPJ (It's not possible to be a Progressive and not be a hypocrite. Freeper TigersEye.)
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Does it apply to the police as well?


56 posted on 01/02/2013 12:29:18 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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The DSM-V should have included Liberalism as one of it’s mental disorders.


57 posted on 01/02/2013 12:31:08 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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Stupid government actions have consequences.


59 posted on 01/02/2013 12:36:14 PM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to succeed is for Congress to do "something".)
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I have a house in central Missouri that is for sale. In a small town 20 miles away from several universities.

Illinoisans get first dibs.


63 posted on 01/02/2013 12:50:51 PM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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Could it be that he wants such a ban because Illinois is so exemplary in showing how banning guns works????

“One of the cities with the strongest gun laws in the nation, Chicago, had 532 murders in 2012 and it is now considered to be one of the most dangerous cities on the planet.”

Progressives are truly insane.


64 posted on 01/02/2013 12:52:32 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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“Melt the phone lines”

Yeah, that’ll put the fear o’ God in them rascals.
Just keep paying your taxes, people. Support the status quo.


67 posted on 01/02/2013 1:02:10 PM PST by HomeAtLast
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I’m seeing this as a liberal revisionist constitutional gun ban. I.E. “When the 2nd A was written, there were only muskets, so letting you have only muskets, meets the constitutional requirements of the 2nd A.”

If the law is passed and then overturned, it would add to the argument that the 2nd A applies to weapons in current use, and not just weapons in existence at the time the Constitution was written.


69 posted on 01/02/2013 1:04:17 PM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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“Based on what we know about Cullerton’s bill, firearms that would be banned include all semiautomatic rifles, pistols, and shotguns.

TTAG’s sources tell us there will be two bills: one for semi-automatic rifles, lever guns, shotguns and handguns with certain features (e.g., threaded barrels); and one for ammunition magazine capacity.

Mags would be limited to 10 rounds and owners of existing magazines holding more than 10 rounds would have to register them with the state police.

What is the point of “registering” magazines with 10+ capacity and banning semiautomatic pistols and rifles?

Gandalf

74 posted on 01/02/2013 1:17:41 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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77 posted on 01/02/2013 1:28:07 PM PST by baddog 219
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Was talking to the owner of my local gun shop yesterday.

He was at the Chantilly gun show over the weekend and AR-15’s couldn’t be had for less than $3K, and ammunition was going for three times the normal price. Said he saw someone pluck down 30K to buy these weapons and ammo.


80 posted on 01/02/2013 1:57:59 PM PST by HalfFull
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There is way too much treason in our govt these days.



83 posted on 01/02/2013 2:13:45 PM PST by Lady Jag (If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat. - Reagan)
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firearms that would be banned include all semiautomatic rifles, pistols, and shotguns

So classic bird guns like the Remington 1100 are now "assault weapons?" Wow. At least they are not pretending any more. Let's see how that works out for them among the notoriously low voter-interest recreational sportsmen demographic.

86 posted on 01/02/2013 2:51:46 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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