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BREAKING: Illinois Bill to Ban All Modern Firearms
The Truth About Guns ^ | Robert Farago | January 1, 2013

Posted on 01/02/2013 10:55:17 AM PST by neverdem

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To: muawiyah

This is a “test case” compliments of Rahm Emmanuel. First Obamacare began in Cook County on January 1, now this. We are prisoners of Cook County.


51 posted on 01/02/2013 12:24:17 PM PST by sarasota
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To: GraceG

Stay, stand-up and fight it. Running from it will not fix it.

We may have to come there to help out at a later date. If it gets rough here, I am not going to run to Mexico. Wait, Mexico is already here....bad comparison...

All kidding aside, time to make a stand. Hand writing is on the wall as to what our FERAL Congress is going to do. We have to take the fight to the State level and you do not need to run, you need to organize.


52 posted on 01/02/2013 12:24:31 PM PST by eartick
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To: Theodore R.

“People in IL, not known for mental acumen, will truly support this sweeping bill. They want to be “protected” by the government.”

Not true. There are lots and lots of gun owners in Illinois, even in Cook County, and surreptitiously in Chicago itself. And of course, all the criminals are armed. Anyhow, there is a big movement against letting any bill pass in the State legislature, and many Dem legislators are in districts with lots of gun owners. Not everyone in IL is a mental midget. Most of the low information voters are in the city of Chicago proper. Along with their liberal slave masters.


53 posted on 01/02/2013 12:25:18 PM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: neverdem

The correct answer is to take to the phones/streets immediately and try to stop this unconstitutional and evil gun grab. If that fails, the next answer is to resist evil, including (but not limited to) fighting in court. After that, there are a number of options, and among the presumably legal ones would be air guns, where I found a sweet fully automatic air rifle online that I am checking out. There are also air rifles as big as .45 caliber, black powder (which can be made convenient), crossbows (high lethality, which I like for the application), and many other options even for those who choose to stay within this unjust and unconstitutional proposed law.

If I lived in Illinois and was limited to bolt action and actually following that law, I would get a big one where the first shot does the trick. There are some very nice bolt action rifles where one shot would be just fine. They are expensive, but AR-15s are expensive now too (a dealer I know just sold a nice, fully-loaded and accurized AR for over $5k), and I imagine someone from IL could sell/trade rifle for rifle with someone from another state who wanted the rate of fire and would give up the stopping power in return.


54 posted on 01/02/2013 12:25:56 PM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: neverdem

Gun control has worked beautifully in Chicago ... well, if by ‘beautifully’ you mean giving a billion dollar industry over to organized crime.... AND having high murder rates...


55 posted on 01/02/2013 12:26:58 PM PST by GOPJ (It's not possible to be a Progressive and not be a hypocrite. Freeper TigersEye.)
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To: neverdem

Does it apply to the police as well?


56 posted on 01/02/2013 12:29:18 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: neverdem

The DSM-V should have included Liberalism as one of it’s mental disorders.


57 posted on 01/02/2013 12:31:08 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: Pollster1

....If I lived in Illinois and was limited to bolt action and actually following that law, I would get a big one where the first shot does the trick. There are some very nice bolt action rifles where one shot would be just fine....


True that.....just got thru cleaning one that holds sub MOA out to a 1000yds....got less than 3 grand in it scope and all 308 24” barrel


58 posted on 01/02/2013 12:32:54 PM PST by eartick
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To: neverdem

Stupid government actions have consequences.


59 posted on 01/02/2013 12:36:14 PM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to succeed is for Congress to do "something".)
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To: All

LOW INFORMATION POLITICIAN.


60 posted on 01/02/2013 12:43:19 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: eartick
True that.....just got thru cleaning one that holds sub MOA out to a 1000yds....got less than 3 grand in it scope and all 308 24” barrel

That sounds very nice; I may get one soon. It could be a nice tool in a variety of situations.

61 posted on 01/02/2013 12:43:53 PM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: LUV W

Like Ronald Reagan?


62 posted on 01/02/2013 12:47:35 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: neverdem

I have a house in central Missouri that is for sale. In a small town 20 miles away from several universities.

Illinoisans get first dibs.


63 posted on 01/02/2013 12:50:51 PM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: neverdem

Could it be that he wants such a ban because Illinois is so exemplary in showing how banning guns works????

“One of the cities with the strongest gun laws in the nation, Chicago, had 532 murders in 2012 and it is now considered to be one of the most dangerous cities on the planet.”

Progressives are truly insane.


64 posted on 01/02/2013 12:52:32 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: Triple

Your casus belli is well beyond established already. Anything more is just like Ariel Sharon yelling about one “red line” after another.


65 posted on 01/02/2013 12:57:09 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: listenhillary

Jumping on the home-for-sale bandwagon for Illinois refugees:

House for sale in Eastern Iowa. 4BR, 4Ba 3000+SF
Totally renovated home, huge yard. Convenient to I-380, 20 minutes to UofIowa/ I-80. Upscale & mostly conservative neighborhood.


66 posted on 01/02/2013 1:01:08 PM PST by LadyBuck (I've read so much about the evils of drinking & smoking that I've given up reading.)
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To: neverdem

“Melt the phone lines”

Yeah, that’ll put the fear o’ God in them rascals.
Just keep paying your taxes, people. Support the status quo.


67 posted on 01/02/2013 1:02:10 PM PST by HomeAtLast
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To: txnativegop

you can murder your unborn child, but you can’t use a gun to defend it’s life or yours, once it’s born.

how’s that libtard pretzel logic?


68 posted on 01/02/2013 1:03:09 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: neverdem

I’m seeing this as a liberal revisionist constitutional gun ban. I.E. “When the 2nd A was written, there were only muskets, so letting you have only muskets, meets the constitutional requirements of the 2nd A.”

If the law is passed and then overturned, it would add to the argument that the 2nd A applies to weapons in current use, and not just weapons in existence at the time the Constitution was written.


69 posted on 01/02/2013 1:04:17 PM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: Triple

bamster’s home state up in flames - i bet he’s happy, and so is rahm-it-in.


70 posted on 01/02/2013 1:04:54 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Hoodat

I guess they looked at Chicago and said, this is working great. Maybe we can get 500+ murders in every city if we ban and confiscate all guns from law abiding citizens.


71 posted on 01/02/2013 1:07:09 PM PST by matt04
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To: matt04
I guess they looked at Chicago and said, this is working great. Maybe we can get 500+ murders in every city if we ban and confiscate all guns from law abiding citizens.

Obama has a cabinet member who said his goal was to get US gasoline prices up to the same level as Europe's, so everything would be "fair".

Perhaps this administration's goals are the same with the murder rate. Not enough people in Chicago getting whacked to compete with London yet.

72 posted on 01/02/2013 1:11:22 PM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: Tublecane

The 2nd Amendment was incorporated to the states in 2010 in the SCOTUS case McDonald vs. Chicago. There is no freaking way an across the board ban could be considered constitutional in light of Heller and McDonald.


73 posted on 01/02/2013 1:15:08 PM PST by GnL
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To: neverdem
“Based on what we know about Cullerton’s bill, firearms that would be banned include all semiautomatic rifles, pistols, and shotguns.

TTAG’s sources tell us there will be two bills: one for semi-automatic rifles, lever guns, shotguns and handguns with certain features (e.g., threaded barrels); and one for ammunition magazine capacity.

Mags would be limited to 10 rounds and owners of existing magazines holding more than 10 rounds would have to register them with the state police.

What is the point of “registering” magazines with 10+ capacity and banning semiautomatic pistols and rifles?

Gandalf

74 posted on 01/02/2013 1:17:41 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: GnL

I don’t know if you have caught on or not, but the Democrats have openly said,”The Constitution can go to hell, we are going to do as we damn well please”.With that, came the dare to us to stop them.


75 posted on 01/02/2013 1:21:21 PM PST by sport
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To: TChris
Your post caused an interest:

Crime rate 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000–01 2001–02 2002–03 2003–04 2004–05 2005–06 2006–07 2007–08 2008–09 2009–10
Homicide total 184 184 175 160 169 167 139 190 159 146 171 190 189 204 182 168 162 156 148 136
Homicide rate 2.5 2.5 2.3 2.1 2.3 2.2 1.9 2.5 2.1 1.9 2.3 2.5 2.5 2.7 2.4 2.2 2.2 2.1 2.0 1.9

Source
76 posted on 01/02/2013 1:24:11 PM PST by moose07 (the truth will out ,one day. I'm off to the edge of the World to Scream, be back later.)
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To: neverdem
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77 posted on 01/02/2013 1:28:07 PM PST by baddog 219
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To: NormsRevenge

They’re not interested in disarming them...only productive, law-abiding citizens...you have to realize in their eyes, WE are the enemy.


78 posted on 01/02/2013 1:45:12 PM PST by Harald Westmoreland
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Oh I get ‘it’ Thanks. The WoD was lost before it ever started. as to gangs, you should see our neighborhood as is.
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Get it ;-]


79 posted on 01/02/2013 1:45:55 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: neverdem

Was talking to the owner of my local gun shop yesterday.

He was at the Chantilly gun show over the weekend and AR-15’s couldn’t be had for less than $3K, and ammunition was going for three times the normal price. Said he saw someone pluck down 30K to buy these weapons and ammo.


80 posted on 01/02/2013 1:57:59 PM PST by HalfFull
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To: GnL

I do recall the McDonald case now, and it was a long time coming. Unfortunately it once again misapplied the due process clause of the 14 th amendment. The privileges and immunities clause incorporates, not due process. Due process is about process, which is why it’s called due process. But lets not nitpick.


81 posted on 01/02/2013 2:06:23 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Mr. Silverback

“How do you plan on collecting the firearms from those 1.4 million people?”

Pretty simple for most owners. Deadlines will be set and those that miss them will be fined, substantially. Most people don’t live in cash and have bank, savings, or other security accounts that can simply have fines extracted with a few simple keystrokes of a computer. Fail again to comply, fine doubles. Wages garnished will be another sneaking trick I assure you these tyrants have considered.


82 posted on 01/02/2013 2:09:07 PM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: neverdem
There is way too much treason in our govt these days.



83 posted on 01/02/2013 2:13:45 PM PST by Lady Jag (If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat. - Reagan)
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To: moose07
Homicide rate

...per... ???

Need a "homicides per N residents" number for it to make sense...

Of course, the article I based my comments on could have been completely wrong too.

That said, it's pretty clear that tough gun control laws aren't stopping homicides, here or across the pond.

84 posted on 01/02/2013 2:42:16 PM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: eartick

>> How about moving to Colorado instead...??

Too late - it’s already been Californicated.


85 posted on 01/02/2013 2:44:09 PM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: neverdem
firearms that would be banned include all semiautomatic rifles, pistols, and shotguns

So classic bird guns like the Remington 1100 are now "assault weapons?" Wow. At least they are not pretending any more. Let's see how that works out for them among the notoriously low voter-interest recreational sportsmen demographic.

86 posted on 01/02/2013 2:51:46 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: Hardraade

*This* time we *really* mean it.


87 posted on 01/02/2013 3:03:15 PM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Conserev1

“Wasn’t the first 45 cal ACP pistol minted in 1909?”.....I do not know if it was the first but the Colt 1911 was patented 4/20/1897-9/9/1902-12/19/1905-2/14/1911 and 8/19/1914. At least that is what is stamped on the one that I am looking at.


88 posted on 01/02/2013 3:05:35 PM PST by tall_tex
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To: neverdem

Whew! What a relief! All crime will end in Chicago thanks to liberal social engineering!


89 posted on 01/02/2013 3:14:02 PM PST by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: Made In The USA

“Good job by the State Legislators helping to continue to convince out-of-staters to NOT move there.”

Illinois, California, NJ, NY, and Maryland should be pretty much non-starters, based on gun laws.


90 posted on 01/02/2013 3:18:13 PM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: flaglady47

Our reps in Springfield are busy. They are also planning on ramming thru homosexual marriage.


91 posted on 01/02/2013 3:21:50 PM PST by Fu-fu2
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To: BOOHA

Found a well written article that told me what I wanted to know about black powder revolvers. . .

http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/percussion-pistols-a-handgun-when-you-cant-buy-a-handgun/


92 posted on 01/02/2013 3:23:35 PM PST by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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To: neverdem

THIS IS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!! WTF!


93 posted on 01/02/2013 3:24:02 PM PST by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: Luircin

They’re trying to get a law passed that would get to the SCOTUS after Obunghole gets a new anti-gun justice installed. That way they can rule it constitutional, and the communists can proceed to try and disarm all of us.


94 posted on 01/02/2013 3:25:50 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Obama has turned America into an aristocracy of the unaccomplished.)
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To: Tupelo

“Opportunity knocks. Open a gun shop selling black powder arms.”

Are you sh!tting me? Shall Not Be Infringed!


95 posted on 01/02/2013 3:26:45 PM PST by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: neverdem

Yeah¿¿¿

Come get em.


96 posted on 01/02/2013 3:35:48 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: neverdem

Great time to be a Blackstone Ranger.


97 posted on 01/02/2013 3:50:00 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: neverdem

Looks like the Revolutionary War II will begin in Illinois.


98 posted on 01/02/2013 3:51:13 PM PST by crosshairs (They are only assault weapons in the hands of tyrannical governments and criminals. Ban both.)
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To: Luircin

They’re trying to get a law passed that would get to the SCOTUS after Obunghole gets a new anti-gun justice installed. That way they can rule it constitutional, and the communists can proceed to try and disarm all of us.


99 posted on 01/02/2013 4:03:26 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Obama has turned America into an aristocracy of the unaccomplished.)
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To: deks

I have owned and been shooting cap and ball black powder revolvers for over 40 years and one thing the article did not mention is that if put a bees wax wad (cut out of a sheet of wax with a .45 case) on top of each lead bullet in the cylindar after loading, it allows you to fire several cylindars full of black powder without fouling. By adding some Butterbore to the cylindar pin on an 1858 Remmington I have been able to fire almost 100 rounds without fouling.


100 posted on 01/02/2013 4:24:15 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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