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Fracking Fiction - Promised Land pulls a fast one on moviegoers.
National Review Online ^ | January 1, 2013 | Jillian Kay Melchior

Posted on 01/01/2013 10:25:00 AM PST by neverdem

A word of warning: It’s impossible to review Promised Land, the new movie written by Matt Damon and John Krasinski and directed by Gus Van Sant, without giving away its twist ending. Though the plot turn is fumbling in its execution, it is the slyest tactic in the movie’s clumsy crusade against fracking, the process of injecting high-pressure chemicals, water, and sand into the ground to access vast quantities of otherwise inaccessible natural gas.

Here’s the premise: Steve Butler (Damon) is a corporate salesman who draws on his rural roots to persuade farmers to sell their land to a fracking company. Recalling his childhood in a dying farm town, Steve sees natural gas as an economic savior for struggling residents — a backstory that’s supposed to add moral nuance to his character. But when Steve and his colleague Sue (Frances McDormand) arrive in a small Pennsylvania town, acquiring the land proves tougher than they expected.

Environmental activist Dustin Noble (Krasinski) shows up, handing out pictures of dead cows and telling the townspeople the tragic tale of how his Nebraska family farm was lost because the cattle drank water contaminated by fracking. But — plot twist! — Steve discovers that the supposed silo in Dustin’s pictures is in fact a lighthouse, something one does not typically find in Nebraska. It turns out the picture is actually from Louisiana, but — bigger twist!! — fracking really did kill the cow, so it’s still bad. And — biggest twist!!! — Dustin is a double agent who secretly works for the same energy corporation as Steve. By destroying the credibility of environmentalist opposition, Dustin has primed the town to do whatever the evil energy corporation wants. Meanwhile, it’s up to the increasingly conflicted Steve to Do the Right Thing. 

If that sounds dry, it is. The script lacks the wit and spark of Good Will Hunting, which Damon wrote with Ben Affleck. Maybe Affleck was the real wordsmith, or maybe Krasinski should just stick to acting.

Actually, Krasinski definitely should stick to acting. Anyone who’s ever been mobbed on the city sidewalk by a green fiend with a clipboard and a zipper vest will recognize Krasinki’s smug environmentalist. And in playing both the environmental crusader and the corporate trickster, he adds unexpected charm, humor, and confidence.

Damon, on the other hand, is terrible, and given his dual role as writer and actor, he has no excuse. Promoting the movie on Jay Leno, the actor said that “my guy certainly doesn’t feel like a bad guy, and, you know, it’s up to the audience to decide if they really think he’s a bad guy.” But Damon has created a morally conflicted salesman who becomes less likable by the minute, and not just because the acting is so overwrought.

Steve wears flannel to blend into middle America but forgets to take off the sales tags. He uses a canned line to endear himself to landowners’ children when paying house visits. He bribes elected officials and tries to rip off struggling landowners. He drinks recklessly and swears constantly. He derides townspeople who won’t yield their land — “I bet you all are getting subsidy checks from the government,” he says in a bar, prompting a punch in the nose. He has a soliloquy on the merits of “f***-you money,” a sort of financial “told-you-so” that happens when one does well in the face of one’s doubters and is apparently the ultimate achievement in life — especially for rednecks with nothing to lose but their land. He’s awkwardly depressed- and defeated-looking throughout much of the film, especially in high-profile moments, such as when he stands in front of city hall or sits at the dinner table of his gracious intellectual foe. Yet viewers are supposed to believe his heart is in the right place because he feels very, very guilty.

Damon’s failures are all the more unfortunate given that the characters are all the movie has to rely on. Even Mother Jones writes that “by the film’s end, Matt Damon will have taught you precisely two things about fracking: That it’s bad for cows, and even worse for heartfelt dramatic monologues delivered by Matt Damon.”

On the pros and cons of fracking, Promised Land is pitiful. The plot rests on the assumption that fracking contaminates water. But Lisa Jackson, who just resigned as head of the Environmental Protection Agency, has reluctantly told Congress that there are no “proven cases where the fracking process itself has affected water.”

And the most thorough description of the fracking process comes courtesy of Krasinski, who douses a toy farm set with household chemicals and lights it on fire to the delight of a classroom full of kids. Then he dangles the class turtle above the flaming mess, asking the children if their pet would like to live there now. Obviously, this is alarmism in the place of argument. 

The film briefly alludes to arguments in favor of fracking, but it never takes them seriously, instead introducing cameo characters whose sole purpose is to illustrate emotional points rather than scientific ones. For example, do you think fracking might help make the U.S. energy independent? Here’s a one-minute allusion to a little boy whose father fought overseas, and one character asking if that soldier’s sacrifice was worth nothing. Think fracking provides economic benefits, including hundreds of thousands of high-paying jobs, to rural communities? Well, here’s Matt Damon’s character ripping families off. And here’s a guy with a hick accent who takes the corporate check and uses it to make a down payment on a tricked-out car he clearly cannot afford. Some economic benefit!

These emotional appeals don’t stand up, and neither does the ending, at least artistically. The plot twist is nevertheless clever, though, because real-life environmentalists haven’t been honest in their arguments against fracking, either. For example, just last year, the EPA issued a preliminary report claiming that fracking contaminated water in Pavillion, Wyo. — and if the report had been accurate, it would have been an unprecedented connection. But further examination showed that the EPA’s research was incredibly flawed, and that the study had been initially released before peer review. The claim was political, not scientific, and it proved an embarrassment to the EPA. That’s no anomaly; environmental groups have been caught repeatedly using shoddy science to further their cause.

In an Alinskyite twist, Promised Land introduces the suspicion that such deception is actually the doing of Machiavellian energy giants. When you consider the track record of alarmist environmentalism, that’s classic projection, of course — but the public has proven willing to assume the worst of corporations.

Many moviegoers won’t take the time to examine the actual facts of fracking, instead taking Promised Land’s word for it that the practice hurts the environment. In reality, Big Film takes the place of Big Energy, pulling a fast one on Americans who haven’t done their homework. But, in the words of Krasinski’s character: “What else was I supposed to do? It’s not a fair fight.”

— Jillian Kay Melchior is a Thomas L. Rhodes Fellow for the Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity. 



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KEYWORDS: agitprop; boycotthollywood; defundtheleft; energy; envirowhackos; fakebutaccurate; filmactorsguild; fracking; goebbelswouldbeproud; hollywood; hollywoodreds; mattdamon; moviereview; promisedland; propaganda; shalegas; shaleoil; thebiglie
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A source for the bolded text is here. Google "Lisa Jackson" “proven cases where the fracking process itself has affected water.” There are many other sources.

Hojczyk posted the source that I used here.

1 posted on 01/01/2013 10:25:05 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
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2 posted on 01/01/2013 10:27:35 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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Matt Damon - Film Actors Guild

3 posted on 01/01/2013 10:34:26 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: neverdem
Apart from all the jobs, the fracking business is creating about 2000 millionaires a year. . . .put that in your pipe greenies . . . .capitalism at work.
4 posted on 01/01/2013 10:34:33 AM PST by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: TurboZamboni

Matt Damon, has made some good movies. Then I found out what a complete political idiot(elitist) the guy is, lives in fantasy land with no sense of reality.


5 posted on 01/01/2013 10:35:51 AM PST by foundedonpurpose (It's time for a fundamental restoration, of our country's principles!)
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To: neverdem

Aren’t they just acquiring the mineral rights to the land? Of course, as those of us who live in the Marcellus shale are finding out, it is almost the same thing as they can do pretty much anything they want once they have those rights. I am not against drilling OR fracking but you have to live in an area like that to know what is really going on.
Our gas boom is pretty much a bust right now. People are being laid off in local businesses. It’s been real slow for almost a year. I think if Romney had won, it would have picked up but we don’t see much movement.


6 posted on 01/01/2013 10:37:04 AM PST by Cricket24 (Telling the truth is not attacking someone!)
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To: Hojczyk; All
Matt Damon and Frances McDormand in Promised Land (Focus Features)

In case anybody is curious about Frances McDormand. The BS media gives the other actor more than his fair share.

7 posted on 01/01/2013 10:37:37 AM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
The best course of action is to boycott Promised Land and tell others to do so too. Too many lies and junk science are being used to justify policy that destroys America's freedom.
8 posted on 01/01/2013 10:42:22 AM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: foundedonpurpose

NY State will find away to pass fracking because they want the money.
Andy Cuomo could care less about cows, water or people in Western NY. That part of the state is red anyhow. He wants money to spend in NYC
Damon is a fool if he thinks other wise


9 posted on 01/01/2013 10:44:35 AM PST by reefdiver
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To: neverdem

Uhh.....

PS - Arabs financed this movie to the Nth degree.

Just thought I’d fit that in, there.


10 posted on 01/01/2013 10:45:00 AM PST by gaijin
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To: neverdem

CommieWood’s job is to promote communism. Everything they do is to promote their utopian slavery.

Happy New Year


11 posted on 01/01/2013 10:46:19 AM PST by bray (Welcome to Obamaville)
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To: reefdiver

“Andy Cuomo could care less about cows, water or people in Western NY”

To true, all he see’s is dollars!


12 posted on 01/01/2013 10:48:42 AM PST by foundedonpurpose (It's time for a fundamental restoration, of our country's principles!)
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To: neverdem; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Grampa Dave; BOBTHENAILER
I keep hearing that the whole project that is this film is funded by one of the oil rich arabian countries in the middle earth... oops, I mean middle east.

This whole year, so far, is odd!!!

13 posted on 01/01/2013 10:52:22 AM PST by SierraWasp (Conservative, constitutional & capitalistic thinking is the last refuge from pussy liberal thought!!)
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To: gaijin

See #13 typed on 2013. I just knew it!!!


14 posted on 01/01/2013 10:54:27 AM PST by SierraWasp (Conservative, constitutional & capitalistic thinking is the last refuge from pussy liberal thought!!)
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To: gaijin

See #13 typed on 2013. I just knew it!!!


15 posted on 01/01/2013 10:54:38 AM PST by SierraWasp (Conservative, constitutional & capitalistic thinking is the last refuge from pussy liberal thought!!)
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To: Cricket24
Don't expect a lot of people to read with open minds, Cricket. I'm not a NIMBY, and certainly not anti-American fuel. All for fracking. But folks don't want to hear about the lies that are told while landmen secure those rights, or how they repeatedly twist or misrepresent things, or how the rules change once those rights are secured.

Thankfully, I knew an oil and gas attorney, was adept at doing research, and had time to spare. Was able to negotiate an 18-page monster of a lease for myself and several thousand neighbors; the money came easy, it was the lease language that mattered.

For some inane reason, people think that if you question any part of the fracking, you must be some tree-hugging commie-loving anti-American. In truth, you only want people to be educated about their rights before they enter into a legally binding contractual agreement. Once those rights are signed over, you can't claim them later.

When it comes to oil and gas leasing, it's buyer beware. I wouldn't line my birdcage with a Producer 88 lease, and neither should anyone else.

16 posted on 01/01/2013 10:57:12 AM PST by TheWriterTX (Riding the Long-Wave Economic Contraction, Baby!)
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To: neverdem

Companies have been “fracking” wells since the 50’s. What is new is the horizontal drilling. Fracking happens much deeper than water locations. The only way water gets contaminated from a well is if the well casing leaks near the surface where the water is. And fracking has nothing to do with that.


17 posted on 01/01/2013 10:57:25 AM PST by kjam22 (my newest music video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: neverdem

Pro fracking movie

http://fracknation.com/


18 posted on 01/01/2013 11:01:13 AM PST by anchorclankor (From the main part of Missouri)
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To: TheWriterTX

You’re right. There is no real connection between fracking and leasing land. Fracking is an operational process. Leasing is a legal process of transfering rights. But every royalty owner always has the right to participate in the well. The guys who get screwed are the ones who own surface rights, but not the mineral rights. Yet the courts have ruled that those owning mineral rights have the right to produce those minerals and receive the value for them. And the cheapest way of producing them is to sign a lease which effectively gives the majority to a producer who is willing to invest capital.


19 posted on 01/01/2013 11:02:49 AM PST by kjam22 (my newest music video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: foundedonpurpose
Quit buying into “entertainment's” subterfuge. They never intend for entertainment to be just “entertainment”, its all some degree of progressive propaganda.

Instead of going with the flow, understand who these people really are and what their real intention is and stay away from movies the anti-freedom/anti-liberty ones are in. No different from buying oil from terrorists who use your money against you.

20 posted on 01/01/2013 11:13:25 AM PST by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: neverdem

Here’s a quick summary of Promised Land - it’s a Hollyweird anti-capitalism propaganda film. Waste your money to see it if you’re drunk, stupid, or a drooling, idiotic Democrat.

Otherwise, keep your money ro buy beer when the next season of American (dreck) Idol begins.


21 posted on 01/01/2013 11:30:20 AM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: kjam22
Having minor royalty interests in both Texas and Arkansas, can't say about Oklahoma, but “But every royalty owner always has the right to participate in the well.” is not correct, depending on the meaning of participate. If a minor interest owner refuses to lease, the State will not allow the refusing owner to stop the well. You will be included like it or not.

Theoretically, the refusing owner will get the “standard” lease royalties, but the developer has no obligation to find you to give you a check.

22 posted on 01/01/2013 11:37:02 AM PST by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: X-spurt
Yes... Participate in the well means spend capital and be an interest owner, not just a royalty owner. If you have 10 acres and the well is spaced at 100 acres... if you participate, you would have to fund 10% of the well. If you are a royalty owner you pay for nothing, but give away maybe 13/16 of your minerals to a producer providing the capital.

You're correct though. A mineral owner who doesn't want to produce will be "force pooled". Corporation commission will force their interest to be produced to accomodate everyone else who wants to produce. The person being force pooled will be given a deal by the operator that is equal to the best deal that operator has given anyone else in the same or neighboring counties. One advantage to not signing a lease. You're guaranteed the best "deal" financial, if you make the commission force pool you.

23 posted on 01/01/2013 11:49:21 AM PST by kjam22 (my newest music video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: X-spurt

Good perspective!


24 posted on 01/01/2013 11:51:38 AM PST by foundedonpurpose (It's time for a fundamental restoration, of our country's principles!)
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To: X-spurt

What I mean is no one has to lease to a producer. Everyone has the right to participate in the well as a working interest owner. But you’re correct... you generally have to do one of those two options if everyone else wants too.


25 posted on 01/01/2013 11:52:08 AM PST by kjam22 (my newest music video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: Cricket24
local

Which is where?

26 posted on 01/01/2013 12:00:57 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: neverdem
I figured this movie would be about as accurate as The Day After Tomorrow.
27 posted on 01/01/2013 12:26:38 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (The best thing in life & the hardest thing in life is watching your children grow up.)
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28 posted on 01/01/2013 1:23:59 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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29 posted on 01/01/2013 1:24:28 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

One of the moronic editors of my local paper finally saw “Gasland” on the internet and thinks it’s truthful. She also once admitted she gets her “news” from The Daily Show. This person is an assistant editor who writes opinion columns.


30 posted on 01/01/2013 1:27:25 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: neverdem
the REAL fast one is not telling the audience that it was funded in part by the UAE!!!
31 posted on 01/01/2013 1:31:56 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: ozzymandus

good grief!!


32 posted on 01/01/2013 1:36:07 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: neverdem

Matt Damon's $15 million Miami home.

33 posted on 01/01/2013 1:45:40 PM PST by kcvl
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To: anchorclankor

Thanks for the link!


34 posted on 01/01/2013 1:51:17 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

Matt Damon's $15 million California home.

Fracking is less harmful to the land than any one of his houses!

I'm sick of these damn hypocrites!

35 posted on 01/01/2013 1:52:14 PM PST by kcvl
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This seriously Bourne-worthy Los Angeles-area home, described as “the best home in the Pacific Palisades,” was just snapped up by “Bourne Identity” star Matt Damon and it’s obvious why: 35-foot mahogany vaulted ceilings, disappearing walls of glass, a floating staircase, a spa pavilion, a huge in-home gym (naturally), a koi pond. Maid’s quarters, even. Two of them.

The Grant Kirkpatrick-designed home also boasts seven spacious bedrooms, 10 bathrooms, a five-car garage and a gargantuan outdoor swimming pool.


36 posted on 01/01/2013 1:54:58 PM PST by kcvl
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To: neverdem

Fracking is going on here in Ohio, and we are NOT required to sell our land to the mining company. We sell the right of drilling on the land, not the land itself. It is all still our land.


37 posted on 01/01/2013 6:39:49 PM PST by TheOldLady
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To: ozzymandus

Why am I not surprised?


38 posted on 01/01/2013 7:56:00 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: TheOldLady
Fracking is going on here in Ohio, and we are NOT required to sell our land to the mining company. We sell the right of drilling on the land, not the land itself. It is all still our land.

Which is the way it works everywhere else I know of.

Mineral rights and surface rights should be separate in the lease: specific surface locations may be leased out at the property owner's discretion for production, drilling, or pipeline right of way, but that should be separate from the mineral rights, and should require a separate agreement.

As always, when dealing with legal matters, it is best to have your own attorney, who will look out for your interests.

What I have been reading about working interest versus royalty interest seems confused, too.

Working interest means you pay for part of the well, depending on your mineral rights ownership, percentage wise. Royalty interest is the cut the owner of the mineral rights gets of produced oil and or gas sold, usually ranging from 1/8 (12.5%) to 1/5 (20%) for their fraction of the lease spacing (if you own half of the mineral acres, then multiply 1/2 times the royalty interest agreed upon, say, 1/8, and your cut is 1/16 of the value of production. Depending on the agreement, that can be before or after expenses.

Leasing mineral rights does not sell your land, despite the fact that the guys who offer leases are called "landmen" and the term "land acquisition" is commonly used in conjunction with that leasing activity.

Mineral rights can be sold, too, but if you own the mineral rights, I would not sell them. Many separated the mineral rights from the surface ans water rights in tough economic times and sold them to save the farm or whatever, and those who have either purchased or inherited the property since regret that. You can sell property and retain the mineral rights, and in some areas that has become a fairly common practice, so if you are a buyer, make sure what you are getting.

With surface rights it is common to retain the right to all coal, sand and gravel, etc. within a certain distance of the surface, commonly 1000 ft. This keeps the surface intact from pit mining operations, and in the instance of leasing the right to explore for and produce oil and gas, stipulate that oil and natural gas are what is involved in the lease--don't get blanketed with an 'all valuable minerals' clause.

Those are basic safeguards which any knowledgeable attorney in the field should have in place or insist upon.

Keep in mind the minerals are yours if you own those rights, and you do not have to lease them. If your holdings are considered 'minor' and the drilling permit is issued anyway, consult your state law to determine what royalty interest you will be due, and the procedures to obtain those royalties.

Most oil companies I know of are on the up and up, and will treat you fairly (they don't need bad press from screwing anyone over, and even a hint in the media will get them that), but have your own representation.

Please note: I'm just a consulting Geologist, so this is not legal advice (I am not a lawyer).

39 posted on 01/02/2013 8:17:38 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Don't worry, Joe. I won't sue you if you're wrong about something.   ;) winking

We have a contract that we waved in front of our lawyer, and everything is on the up and up. We are leasing, not selling, our mineral rights.   :) happy 

40 posted on 01/02/2013 8:30:40 AM PST by TheOldLady
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To: TheOldLady
I figured you were savvy! I posted some of that just to clear up some misconceptions out there, and to inform people.

There has been so much "Evil Big Oil" stuff out there that people often do not stop and think that oil companies who get a bad name don't prosper anywhere near what they could have if they just did things right. It's a business which relies on the relationship it has with those who help it find the raw materials and products it sells by permitting drilling. No new wells, eventually nothing to sell--which is why the Left continues with the assault on the industry. They've been selling the "Evil Big Oil" meme since before the Captain Planet cartoons (promptly banned in my home).

41 posted on 01/02/2013 9:00:30 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: neverdem

I live over “Marcellus Shale” 2-3 miles deep.

My neighbor can light his well water on fire with a match.

There has been NO DRILLING in this area for gas - the closest I know of is about 40 miles from me. Fools in NYState...

I believe that the the fracking alarmists take advantage of such examples as my neighbor’s to frighten people without any real evidence that gas drilling or oil drilling causes problems. Gas can and does occur naturally in many underground water sources.


42 posted on 01/02/2013 9:16:28 AM PST by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: Smokin' Joe

Thank you! You have a very nice home page, FRiend.

You have probably already noticed that I am very much pro Big Oil.

“Captain Planet” is another way for the left to brainwash our children, so God bless you for banning it.


43 posted on 01/02/2013 9:56:51 AM PST by TheOldLady
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To: SierraWasp

This whole year, so far, is odd!!!
You got that right——and we’re only 1.52 days into it.

Little Mattie Damon and his hollyweird boys and girls are trying to resurrect the “China Syndrome” on the fracing issue.

“Let’s see if we can destroy another CHEAP energy source, all in the name of the GREEN GODDESS.


44 posted on 01/02/2013 12:38:30 PM PST by BOBTHENAILER (EPA will ruin your life)
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To: TheWriterTX

But folks don’t want to hear about the lies that are told while landmen secure those rights, or how they repeatedly twist or misrepresent things, or how the rules change once those rights are secured.

I’ve been a landman for some 35 years and have made many a landowner very happy campers for all the royalty monies they have made on Producer’s 88 lease forms with only five or so paragraphs of changes. Your comments are food for the Matt Damon’s of the world.

You can take those words above and shove them where the sun don’t shine.


45 posted on 01/02/2013 12:49:39 PM PST by BOBTHENAILER (EPA will ruin your life)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


46 posted on 01/02/2013 8:58:03 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: BOBTHENAILER
Great Scott!!! Great shot!!! Direct hit!!!

He drives! He shoots!! HE SCORES!!!

47 posted on 01/03/2013 6:37:50 PM PST by SierraWasp (Conservative, constitutional & capitalistic thinking is the last refuge from pussy liberal thought!!)
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To: AFPhys

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48 posted on 01/05/2013 8:53:49 AM PST by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: jonrick46

I was forced into watching this last night by a date who wanted to see it because a friend of hers was an extra in the first bar scene. I couldn’t tolerate it... I got up and walked out leaving my date to watch the rest of this UAE-funded pure propaganda piece with the rest of the NY state brainwashed jackasses in the theater. Her waste of $17.


49 posted on 01/06/2013 5:44:53 AM PST by Rodamala
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Good for you. Any date of mine would have walked out with me and we would have demanded our money back (if that is possible). Because your “date” stayed and watched the movie, it tells me you have your work cut out for you in winning her over to the right side.

I heard from Grover Norquist that the Dems are working up for a new tax on energy with the use of a VAT (Value Added Tax) tax. The Dems want to tax the Middle Class—make no mistake.


50 posted on 01/06/2013 3:23:09 PM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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