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White House talks don't include NRA: gun group president
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Posted on 12/30/2012 12:33:25 PM PST by Red in Blue PA

An effort led by Vice President Joe Biden to find ways to reduce gun violence after the Connecticut school massacre so far has not included talking to the National Rifle Association, the president of the gun rights group said on Friday.

NRA President David Keene said neither Biden nor his staff has contacted the organization since President Barack Obama unveiled the effort on December 19.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: awb; banglist; guncontrol; nra; obama; secondamendment
Everything obama says is a lie.

He's not coming after our guns....sure.

Gun owners will be included in discussions.....sure.

Contact your reps and let them know that this bill must be DOA. It is unacceptable in any form!

1 posted on 12/30/2012 12:33:41 PM PST by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

He is a snake. Remember when he promised America that they could all keep their health insurance and that he would lower rates?

He’s lying about gun rights, too. He’s totally ideological. He will do all he can to criminalize gun owners and those who defend themselves against “Holder’s people” or any criminal on his dark side.


2 posted on 12/30/2012 12:40:34 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Red in Blue PA

To paraphrase the old Fram Filters commercial,

“You can talk to us now,

Or you can talk to us LATER.”


3 posted on 12/30/2012 12:40:50 PM PST by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: Red in Blue PA

We’ll start with the repeal of the NFA of 1934.


4 posted on 12/30/2012 12:45:47 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: SaraJohnson

No mention about getting guns out of the inner cities.

They are targeting the law abiding gun owners, making them into criminal.

F em.


5 posted on 12/30/2012 12:47:29 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Until Sandy Hook, “gun control” was just a dream for the commie ‘RATS. Then they received the mother of all Christmas presents. They can’t afford to let it go to waste. Exploit, exploit, exploit.


6 posted on 12/30/2012 12:48:30 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Where can I pick up a 2013 Mayan calendar?)
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To: Red in Blue PA
do I really have to say it???

7 posted on 12/30/2012 12:56:32 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Red in Blue PA
What a waste of time, just pass a law saying it is illegal to kill school kids while they are at school. Sheesh.</sarcasm>
8 posted on 12/30/2012 1:07:22 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Until Sandy Hook, “gun control” was just a dream for the commie ‘RATS. Then they received the mother of all Christmas presents. They can’t afford to let it go to waste. Exploit, exploit, exploit.

Fortunately for us all, that Emmanuel creature has explained the method:

You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.

9 posted on 12/30/2012 1:13:09 PM PST by Standing Wolf
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To: Red in Blue PA

Let me guess: the Brady Bunch is given the seat on the right of Plugs.


10 posted on 12/30/2012 1:14:59 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: Red in Blue PA
His is not a representative government of anything. Let's say this again:

The NRA is excluded from all 'conversations' held by the 'Administration.'

I don't know why people are worried about secession. 0bama's people have already seceded.

11 posted on 12/30/2012 1:19:05 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

We don’t need to the NRA to buy and use weapons. Besides, the NRA did enough damage to our purchasing abilities with their 1934 NFA and their 1968 GCA that prohibited all types of sales. If it weren’t for them we could be buying guns in the mail, across State lines, and without NICS.


12 posted on 12/30/2012 1:19:49 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: combat_boots

“I don’t know why people are worried about secession. 0bama’s people have already seceded. “

Excellent point.


13 posted on 12/30/2012 1:21:07 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Makes sense. Back in ‘09 the oil industry was not invited to talks on energy policy.


14 posted on 12/30/2012 1:24:04 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Red in Blue PA

Some of the creepiest images are those of prisoners kneeling at the edge of a trench with hands tied behind their backs and a German/Chinese soldier pointing a muzzle to the back of their heads.

I will NEVER go out like that. For the life of me, I’ve never understood how someone could end up in that position. Damn, I see those images and think to myself...self, go down like a man...fighting.


15 posted on 12/30/2012 1:31:34 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: CodeToad

The NRA didnt start its lobbying arm, the NRA-ILA, until 1975. To blame them for prior legislation is dishonest.


16 posted on 12/30/2012 1:40:05 PM PST by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

He’ll talk to the Iranians and the Taleban, but not us?


17 posted on 12/30/2012 2:25:30 PM PST by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: Dan Nunn

That is true, and given the nature of the left, if it weren’t for the NRA, we would have either already lost all of the 2nd amendment, or we would have already had to preserve it by force. Ultimately it may be up to US, not the NRA, to preserve it. It is, after all OUR job to preserve it in the face of tyranny. Those instructions were given to us long before the NRA existed.


18 posted on 12/30/2012 3:34:35 PM PST by Quickgun (I came here screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: doorgunner69

“Let me guess: the Brady Bunch is given the seat on the right of Plugs.”

And “The American Communist Party” on the left


19 posted on 12/30/2012 3:47:33 PM PST by duffee (Newt Gingrich for Speaker)
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To: Dan Nunn
"The NRA didnt start its lobbying arm, the NRA-ILA, until 1975. To blame them for prior legislation is dishonest."

Sorry, but your comments are bold faced lies. You repeat the NRA's position about their "sporting purposes only", anti-gun, past that until they formed the ILA they did not lobby or interfere with laws when by their own statements they did. So, here, let me prove you are a liar and an NRA propagandist by posting their own comments. Their words don't show they stayed out of legislative efforts until 1975 with the formation of the ILA; they simply got stronger after forming the ILA.

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And, no, I don't care about "winning friends" by being nice about these subjects such as firearms when those “friends” lie against us. The truth in these matters needs to come out and stay out and if that pisses you off then screw you. I am tired of people bulling We the People and then demanding we just take it!

20 posted on 12/30/2012 4:27:09 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Dan Nunn

“The NRA didnt start its lobbying arm, the NRA-ILA, until 1975. To blame them for prior legislation is dishonest.”

Here, let me put your and the NRA’s dishonesty in plain type so all can read it, showing you and the NRA are liars for claiming they did not lobby governments or legislatures until 1975:

“[NRA] AMERICAN RIFLEMAN MAGAZINE, MARCH 1968 EDITION

WHERE THE NRA STANDS ON GUN LEGISLATION
97-year record shows positive approach to workable gun laws

By ALAN C. WEBBER
Associate Editor
THE AMERICAN RIFLEMAN

“I think it is a terrible indictment of the National Rifle Association that they haven’t supported any legislation to try and control the misuse of rifles and pistols in this country.”

That flat assertion was made by Senator Robert Kennedy (N.Y.), Jan. 16 in addressing the New York State University law school in Buffalo.

Terming Kennedy’s accusation “a smear of a great American organization,” NRA Executive Vice President Franklin L. Orth pointed out that “The National Rifle Association has been in support of workable, enforceable gun control legislation since its very inception in 1871.”

A few days later, Orth seconded the request of President Lyndon Johnson, made Jan. 17 in his State of the Union message, for a curb on mail-order sales.

“The duty of Congress is clear,” Orth said, “it should act now to pass legislation that will keep undesirables, including criminals, drug addicts and persons adjudged mentally irresponsible or alcoholic, or juveniles from obtaining firearms through the mails.”

The NRA position, as stated by Orth, emphasizes that the NRA has consistently supported gun legislation which it feels would penalize misuse of guns without harassing law-abiding hunters, target shooters and collectors.

Here is the record over the years:

Item: The late Karl T. Frederick, an NRA president, served for years as special consultant with the Commissioners on Uniform State Laws to frame The Uniform Firearms Act of 1930.

Adopted by Alabama, Indiana, the District of Columbia, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, and Washington, the Act directly attacks the “mail order murder” to which President Johnson referred in his State of the Union Message. It specifically forbids delivery of pistols to convicts, drug addicts, habitual drunkards, incompetents, and minors under the age of 18. Other salient provisions of the Act require a license to carry a pistol concealed on one’s person or in a vehicle; require the purchaser of a pistol to give information about himself which is submitted by the seller to local police authorities; specify a 48-hour time lapse between application for purchase and delivery.

Item: The NRA supported The National Firearms Act of 1934 which taxes and requires registration of such firearms as machine guns, sawed-off rifles and sawed-off shotguns.

Item: The NRA supported The Federal Firearms Act of 1938, which regulates interstate and foreign commerce in firearms and pistol or revolver ammunition, and prohibits the movement in interstate or foreign commerce of firearms and ammunition between certain persons and under certain conditions.

More recently, the spate of articles on gun legislation has spread the erroneous impression that the NRA has always opposed Senator Thomas J. Dodd’s attempts to keep guns out of the hands of juveniles. This is simply untrue. The facts are these:

The NRA worked closely with the Senate Subcommittee on Juvenile Delinquency, of which Senator Dodd was chairman, in its investigation into the relationship between juvenile crime and the availability of firearms.

The NRA supported the original “Dodd Bill” to amend the Federal Firearms Act in regard to handguns when it was introduced as S.1975 in August, 1963. Among its provisions was the requirement that a purchaser submit a notarized statement to the shipper that he was over 18 and not legally disqualified from possessing a handgun.

In January, 1965, with the continued support of the NRA, Senator Dodd introduced an amended version of his first bill, now designated 5.14 and expanded to cover rifles and shotguns as well as handguns.

The parting of the ways came only when Senator Dodd introduced still another bill (S.1592) in March, 1965, which drastically intensified his earlier bills. The NRA opposed S.1592 and subsequent bills introduced by the Connecticut Senator. If passed into law, S.1592 would, among other things, have ended all interstate shipments of firearms except to persons holding a Federal firearms license. It also would have prohibited even a Federal licensee from selling a pistol to anyone residing in another State.

NRA support of Federal gun legislation did not stop with the earlier Dodd bills. It currently backs several Senate and House bills which, through amendment, would put new teeth into the National and Federal Firearms Acts. The essential provisions which the NRA supports are contained in 2 Senate bills introduced by Senator Roman L. Hruska (Nebr.) and House bills introduced by Congressmen Cecil R. King (17th fist.-Calif.) and Robert L. F. Sikes (1st Dist.Fla.). These bills would:

1. Impose a mandatory penalty for the carrying or use of a firearm, transported in interstate or foreign commerce, during the commission of certain crimes.

2. Place “destructive devices” (bombs, mines, grenades, crew-served military ordnance) under Federal regulation.

3. Prohibit any licensed manufacturer or dealer from shipping any firearm to any person in any State in violation of the laws of that state.

4. Regulate the movement of handguns in interstate and foreign commerce by:

    a. requiring a sworn statement, containing certain information, from the purchaser to the seller for the receipt of a handgun in interstate commerce;

    b. providing for notification of local police of prospective sales;

    c. requiring an additional 7-day waiting period by the seller after receipt of acknowledgement of notification to local police;

    d. prescribing a minimum age of 21 for obtaining a license to sell firearms and increasing the license fees;

    e. providing for written notification by manufacturer or dealer to carrier that a firearm is being shipped in interstate commerce;

    f. increasing penalties for violation.

Through bulletins to its members, the NRA has often voiced approval and support of State and local ordinances designed to keep firearms out of the hands of undesirables. A bulletin of Feb. 20, 1964 notified Virginia members of the introduction in the Virginia House of Delegates of a bill requiring a 72-hour waiting period for purchase of a handgun. In the bulletin, which outlined the provisions of the bill, NRA Secretary Frank C. Daniel commented as follows:

    “A number of States and local jurisdictions have a waiting period of varying length for the purchase of a concealable firearm; and, where intelligently and reasonably administered, it has not proved to be an undue burden on the shooter and sportsman. ... The bill from a technical point of view adequately protects citizens of good character from any arbitrary denial of their right to purchase a handgun. It should be judged on the basis of whether or not a waiting period for the purchase of a handgun is desirable for the State.”

The bill was killed in the House Feb. 25, 1964.

When bills were introduced in the Illinois legislature in February, 1965, to provide mandatory penalties for crimes committed while armed with a firearm, the NRA expressed its opinion to Illinois members in these terms:

NRA Secretary Daniel

“The purpose of these bills is to penalize the criminal misuse of firearms and weapons, and not the firearms themselves. This is a sound and reasonable basis for regulation and is aimed in the right direction—that of criminal conduct when armed. Senate Bill No. 351 and House Bill No. 472 are worthy of the support of the sports-men of the State of Illinois.”

The bills were passed by the Senate and House but were vetoed by Gov. Otto Kerner a few months later.


21 posted on 12/30/2012 5:07:47 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: servantboy777

“Some of the creepiest images are those of prisoners kneeling at the edge of a trench with hands tied behind their backs and a German/Chinese soldier pointing a muzzle to the back of their heads.”

I will die on my feet shooting back at the owebama “homeland security civilian defense force” thugs instead of dying on my knees waiting for one of their .40 cal. hollowpoints in the back of my head.

These people will not stop until they have ALL of our weapons. They want subjects, not citizens.

The time to refresh the tree of liberty is rapidly approaching.


22 posted on 12/30/2012 10:04:26 PM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: 43north

>>The time to refresh the tree of liberty is rapidly approaching.<<

I hope it never comes to that.


23 posted on 12/31/2012 7:11:44 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: CodeToad
So lets get all distracted and crank up the circular firing squad again.

I doubt the membership would support the NRA backing those measures again if there was a do-over.

We all need to remember who the enemy is at this time, and attacking the NRA over something that happened over 40 years ago isn't going to stop the enemies of the RKBA from doing anything--in fact, it will help them. I think the current NRA leadership is pretty clear on what we want, and if there is any doubt, we can remind them, far faster than anyone could in '68.

I support the GOA, JFPO, and the SAF as well. The more on our side, the merrier.

24 posted on 01/01/2013 5:29:49 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Sorry, but the NRA continues its bad political policies, such as backing Dingy Harry, the worst Senator in the Senate. The NRA hasn’t changed in 40 years, it has only decided how to propagandize the gun issue to get more money. Let us know when the NRA tries to undo the damage it has done over the years, until then, I will hold the NRA responsible for its actions. You might not, but I do.


25 posted on 01/01/2013 6:58:50 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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