Trains carrying more oil across US amid boom

ap ^ | Dec 28, 2012 | MATTHEW BROWN and JOSH FUNK

[george76]

Energy companies behind the oil boom on the Northern Plains are increasingly turning to an industrial-age workhorse - the locomotive - to move their crude to refineries across the U.S., as plans for new pipelines stall and existing lines can't keep up with demand.

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The environmental fears carry an ironic twist: Oil trains are gaining popularity in part because of a shortage of pipeline capacity - a problem that has been worsened by environmental opposition to such projects as TransCanada's stalled Keystone XL pipeline. That project would carry Bakken and Canadian crude to the Gulf of Mexico. Wayde Schafer, a North Dakota spokesman for the Sierra Club, described rail as "the greater of two evils" because trains pass through cities, over waterways and through wetlands that pipelines can be built to avoid.

[knarf]

Apparently the "what if" argument doesn't apply to FOO (friends of obama)

What if we crush a caterpiller shuts down gazillions of dollars in good paying jobs, but what if a train capsizes and polutes acres of land or polutes the Mississippi doesn't.

[OrioleFan]

This is why Warren Buffet wanted Obama to kill the Keystone Pipeline. He owns Burlington Northern.

[Orange1998]

Union Pacific Railroad CEO Jack Koraleski said hauling oil out of places like North Dakota will be a long-term business for railroads because trains are faster than pipelines, reliable and offer a variety of destinations.

Trains are faster than pipelines? That is a new one for me. Once the pipeline is finished lets see who is faster.

[PGalt]

Thanks for the reminder.

[KarlInOhio]

The pipeline just sits there at zero mph while the train zips along at sixty. See, the train is faster.

The real question is which transports more oil, more cheaply and safer. And of course, more importantly, whether the CEO promotes higher taxes at Obama's direction. < /sarc>

[TArcher]

Typical of the crony corruption that’s SOP for the AKSARBEN Abomination of Nature crowd, Allegedly.

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&q=Union+Pacific+Warren+Buffett+Franklin+Coverup&;

[Squawk 8888]

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[Orange1998]

I see the point but who is dumb enough to believe it.

[Orange1998]

Interesting.

[EQAndyBuzz]

Let’s say George bush was in office and the Koch brothers owned Burlington Northern.

The media would be fighting with each other to get the scoop.

[Chode]

thank you...

[factoryrat]

Can you use a pipeline 7 feet in diameter, 2 miles long, moves at 50MPH, and can go to any major refinery west of the Mississippi? That is what your average UP train can do. I work for the UP, and barring the oil companies being banned from building pipelines, we’re the second choice for moving crude. We despise buffett and his toy train set. Until we can get these pipelines built (which by the way, UP moves a lot of material and supplies to the oil patch), trains are the closest thing to a land based oil freighter.

[factoryrat]

Can you use a pipeline 7 feet in diameter, 2 miles long, moves at 50MPH, and can go to any major refinery west of the Mississippi? That is what your average UP train can do. I work for the UP, and barring the oil companies being banned from building pipelines, we’re the second choice for moving crude. We despise buffett and his toy train set. Until we can get these pipelines built (which by the way, UP moves a lot of material and supplies to the oil patch), trains are the closest thing to a land based oil freighter.

[sternup]

The pipeline just sits there at zero mph while the train zips along at sixty. See, the train is faster.

no doubt about it..especially when you want to get Bakken crude to, say, a refinery in Corpus Christi, Texas. You "freight train" the crude from the Dakotas to Albany, New York..you then pump it onto seagoing barges for a quick trip down the Hudson, so that you can then pump from the seagoing barge to a foreign flag tanker off of Rockaway. The foreign flag tanker probably takes three or four barges coming down from Albany to "fill it up"...then off to Corpus it goes.

This process is going on all day, every day, because of no pipeline.

Cheaper and faster?...riiiigggghhhht...

[TArcher]

Ohhh Say Can You See -- wasn't ol’ Dick Cheney married to the Railroad Bidness too?

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_rn=1&gs_ri=hp&gs_mss=Dick%20Cheney%20Railoard

Yep.

If  what John DeCamp(R) alleges about the perversion and homosexuality at the top the RailRoad pyramid is true, it's no surprise at all that Cheney has sired homosexual offspring - it's just “normal” bidness as usual in the royal RINOcracy.

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&q=Franklin+coverup

 

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"8-1984 - Lawrence King [Homosexual and alleged Pedophile] throws a lavish party in Dallas, Texas, after singing the National Anthem at the Republican National GOP Convention."

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&q=Lawrence+king+singing+pedophile+franklin&oq=Lawrence+king+singing+pedophile+franklin

 

http://www.franklincase.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=11&Itemid=9

[cripplecreek]

Pipelines are certainly far better for distribution.

[ClearCase_guy]

[Publius]

I was waiting for someone to get it. Rand predicted this all the way back in 1957.