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Cliff Deal Hinges on Senators
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Posted on 12/28/2012 5:14:01 PM PST by Sub-Driver

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Screw em all..............
1 posted on 12/28/2012 5:14:09 PM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

It is totally a political problem.

EVERYBODY, including the rats, knows that the meaningless, drop-in-the-bucket tax hike on “the rich” does next to nothing to address America’s debt and deficit and is, rather, a purely symbolic concession demanded by the rats for the sole purpose of dividing and ultimately destroying the GOP. The rats need the GOP to abandon its most consistent and important core principle and agree to a tax hike - - ANY tax hike - - and then they will beat the GOP to death. The American public will never believe the Republicans again, and the party will die.

This is why Ubanga wouldn’t bite on the “close loopholes and cap deductions” crap in lieu of a definite rate hike. Even though the revenues would be about the same, with the “close loopholes and cap deductions” plan the Republicans would be able to talk out both sides of their mouth when trying to convince the ignorant chattering class that they didn’t raise taxes. Ubanga wants something more concrete, something the Republicans can’t lie their way out of.


2 posted on 12/28/2012 5:18:31 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Sub-Driver
How is this even Constitutional, when all "Ways and Means" bills MUST originate in the House of Representatives?

ARTICLE I, Section 7

All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

3 posted on 12/28/2012 5:19:44 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Sub-Driver

The Rinos and the Rats will form a coalition in the Senate to screw us
again. Same with the House. Pelosi will provide the Rat votes needed
to screws us there.
May the 2014 election be a pox on both parties.
Throw all the bums out election on both sides.


4 posted on 12/28/2012 5:20:47 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Sub-Driver

This is a win for Boehner. He has been saying for two weeks that the House already passed tax cuts and the Senate needs to act.


5 posted on 12/28/2012 5:21:58 PM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: Lancey Howard

We went over the cliff years ago.


6 posted on 12/28/2012 5:24:07 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Sub-Driver
Ubama has such a great job.

Just make up a meaningless term like "fiscal cliff" and watch the monkey's fall all over themselves.

7 posted on 12/28/2012 5:24:54 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism." --Vladimir Lenin)
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To: tennmountainman

It looks like McConnell is getting ready to sell us down the river.


8 posted on 12/28/2012 5:25:15 PM PST by Buddy Sorrell ( Boehner, our Vichy Speaker)
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To: ez

ha ha ha... the senate is actually going to vote on something. Incredible

who cares about whether this is a win for Boehner it is a circus and Americans win nothing but higher taxes and more regulation while politicians pat themselves on the back until they can retire to their various million dollar jobs as lobbyists


9 posted on 12/28/2012 5:27:35 PM PST by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: ez

North Korea is what brought Obama back to the table. He knows he can’t let the defense cuts occur in the face of intercontinental ballistic capability in North Korea.The Republicans should force him to keep and make permanent all of the current tax rates. He can’t let the cuts go through and then come back and argue for a huge increase in anti-ballistic missile technology. It wouldn’t be good for the caliphate or any other supra-national grouping you could name, U.S. security aside.


10 posted on 12/28/2012 5:29:49 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: Sub-Driver
Ubama was re-elected President of the Democrats of the United States of America - - congratulations to him. I'm sure he feels pretty good about that, invincible even, and that's probably why he looks so arrogant these days and figures he can issue threats and act with impunity like a bully. Well, I sure hope somebody has the balls to clue that scumbag Ubama in that his Chicago thug way of doing things just isn't going to fly with a Republican House. Nobody likes to be bullied.

He also needs to be told flat out that if he wants more money confiscated from working, taxpaying, traditional American families (the "Republican base") in order to continue buying the votes of the ignorant moocher class (the "Democrat base"), then he's first going to have to get a Democrat House elected.

No, I am not holding my breath that any Republican has the balls to talk to the scumbag Ubama in a language he understands.

Oh well... Let's all limber up so we can grab our ankles. Here comes a "deal".

11 posted on 12/28/2012 5:37:04 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Buddy Sorrell

Like Boehner, McConnell is but a single vote. Just like when Boehner caved, it will mean nothing when McConnell caves because whatever concessions he makes will never get through the house.


12 posted on 12/28/2012 5:37:21 PM PST by wolfman23601
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To: longfellowsmuse
who cares about whether this is a win for Boehner

I do for one.

It's good to see the people's House score one (even though a little one) for a change.

Also good to see Hairy Reid have to back down.

13 posted on 12/28/2012 5:38:51 PM PST by what's up
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To: gusopol3
He can’t let the cuts go through and then come back and argue for a huge increase in anti-ballistic missile technology

Good point. His base would have a fit.

14 posted on 12/28/2012 5:42:05 PM PST by what's up
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To: Sub-Driver

Yes raise our taxes and we vote you out. Just like last tax hike. Adios senators.


15 posted on 12/28/2012 5:45:19 PM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: Sub-Driver

The Leftists in Congress have no intention of not going over the cliff. Failure to prevent massive tax hikes means lots more money for them to abuse. The current situation is “either we come to an agreement or you give us everything we want.”


16 posted on 12/28/2012 5:47:04 PM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: tennmountainman
Throw all the bums out election on both sides.

Really? Are we back to this silly populist sounding nonsense? This "throw all the bums out" stuff has never worked. It's a meaningless statement. If you throw a Republican out, you're going to get a Democrat who is more liberal. Period. There are no candidates from any other party's that are going to win these seats. It's either Republican or Democrat. If you throw a Republican out, you get a Democrat. If you throw a Democrat out you get a Republican. If you have a "throw all the bums out election" the House would switch to Democrat control and the Senate to Republicans which would result in no meaningful change.

17 posted on 12/28/2012 5:54:03 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969; tennmountainman
This "throw all the bums out" stuff has never worked.

You're right it doesn't work. That's why other measures must be taken. Extreme measures.

18 posted on 12/28/2012 6:05:13 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Longbow1969

“statement. If you throw a Republican out, you’re going to get a Democrat who is more liberal. Period. There are “

Same thing, different label. The R version differs only on how fast it wants to travel to the same destination.


19 posted on 12/28/2012 6:09:31 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international. Gone.)
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To: Longbow1969

“statement. If you throw a Republican out, you’re going to get a Democrat who is more liberal. Period. There are “

Same thing, different label. The R version differs only on how fast it wants to travel to the same destination.


20 posted on 12/28/2012 6:09:31 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international. Gone.)
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To: Longbow1969

I guess that means Trent Lott was right when he said, “you can’t change
Washington”. Oh well. Down the drain we go.


21 posted on 12/28/2012 6:27:02 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
The R version differs only on how fast it wants to travel to the same destination.

Correct. Whether you hit the oak tree at 120 mph or 90 mph, the end result is the same.

22 posted on 12/28/2012 6:30:08 PM PST by 03A3
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To: Timber Rattler

The Senate already has a backlog of House passed bills on hand they can use to modify with all sorts of bizarre notions and mind bending claptrap ~ that’s the way they’ve always done it ~ they’ll do it again.


23 posted on 12/28/2012 6:34:51 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: gusopol3
North Korea has rockets that can reach Alaska and Hawaii. It is just conceivable an NK launch on either state could result in plenty of impetus to overthrow the Obamugabe regime here, and crack the Democrat party in two!

Whether Barry can realize such things or not his handlers certainly can.

24 posted on 12/28/2012 6:37:55 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Sub-Driver

Let Obama and the DEMo-rats take us over the cliff.

REPUBLICANS JUST -SAY NO!!!!!!!!

WE ARE TAXED ENOUGH!!!!!


25 posted on 12/28/2012 6:47:58 PM PST by victim soul
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To: Sub-Driver
Yep, screw em all.. Let the taxes for everyone go up and watch a third party emerge in 2014-2016.

The Democrat party is corrupt and the GOP has become a party for losers. History will bury them both.

26 posted on 12/28/2012 6:55:25 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Timber Rattler

None of these people care a whit about the Constitution! Chief Justice Roberts can’t read it.


27 posted on 12/28/2012 7:02:57 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: what's up

It wasn’t for him trying; ‘cuz he sure as hell threw in the towel from day one (even talking like a Dem).

No matter the outcome, the People will get screwed again.

So much for the ‘most transparent admin. in history’, everything done behind closed doors when it should be debated and argued on the floors on Congress, so we can see and toss the SOBs out in 2 yrs.


28 posted on 12/28/2012 7:10:16 PM PST by i_robot73
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To: Longbow1969

Right, ‘cuz re-electing 97% of the same people have done SUCH a wonder?

So, no Rep = instant Dem? Damn, the 2-party cartel really gives out the kook-aid by the gallon. If people actually did their research and demanded a REAL debate/election, you’d see more 3rd party, like there should be.

The ‘lesser of two evils’ BS still doesn’t fly for the more open minded around here. Say howdy to the GOPe plantation bosses for me; but they sure as shit ain’t doing anyone any favors these days.


29 posted on 12/28/2012 7:15:35 PM PST by i_robot73
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To: what's up
It's good to see the people's House score one

The people's House? Whatcha smokin? If it were the People's House we would not have O'care, since 70% of the People did not want it. Here is a clue, Boehner did want it.

30 posted on 12/28/2012 7:30:21 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: Jim Robinson

You are absolutely correct.


31 posted on 12/28/2012 7:35:47 PM PST by bmwcyle (We have gone over the cliff and we are about to hit the bottom)
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To: itsahoot
In a Republic, the House is the thing that technically protects us from a Dictator-Executive.

Yes, it doesn't look so good these days but I'm still glad we have one. And I'm glad Reid did NOT get his way on this.

32 posted on 12/28/2012 7:56:30 PM PST by what's up
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To: Tau Food
Doesn't happen that way. The system was designed by Thomas Jefferson. The objective is to win in single member districts. To win you need at least 50% + 1 vote.

The first guy to come up with a political party that can figure out how to win will sweep all before him. Then, an opposition made up of a consortium of the losers will form their own political party. They will try to get 50% + 1 vote.

This will go back and forth for decades.

Both of the major parties are simply coalitions of groups that share some interests in common. Change occurs as coalition members change ~ which is why minority parties never really get much beyond the organizing stage. Virtually all minority parties in American history have been focused on single issues ~ which pretty well excludes their getting involved in coalition politics.

Getting beyond that primary political lesson, we have several layers of politics. There's the Presidency, the Senate, the House, the states ~ with their Governors and legislatures, and local or municipal bodies with, in general a mayor, and a council ~ and there are school boards, etc.

In virtually every case there's a single member district, and in every case there are two local party organizations ~ which in some cases are pretty weak, but something is there, somewhere.

The Whig party was the first large scale party to challenge the Democrats. They ended on a sour note when they ran out of ways to continue compromising on slavery. They were replaced by the Republican party which was made up of anti-tax, pro-commerce, anti-slavery Whigs ~ and some Whig state and district parties were brought in whole and unchanged by the Republicans. The remainder consisted mostly of the Abolitionist movement which was never quite able to become a party itself.

In the wake of the Whig disaster there were some smaller regional parties with narrower interests but by the end of the Civil War they'd pretty much disappeared or were absorbed by the Victorious Republicans.

Currently our major internal Republican party problem is the development of a major faction that is not devoted to any of our myriad of coalition partner's interests, but instead focuses on the mechanics of winning ~ including fund raising and polling. We call them the GOP-e. They've lost 11 major Presidential races, a good myriad of Senate races, and would have kept us as a minority party in the House except that state based movements grew up to challenge the old order and take over the House. We currently have 30 Governors and most state legislatures.

The GOP-e has failed to demonstrate over the last two Presidential races any reason for its continued existence.

Alas, they control the RNC.

My proposal for eliminating the GOP-e is simple ~ create a NEW RNC and invite the state parties to send representatives to the NEW RNC ~ and cease sending representatives to the old RNC!

Certain persons involved in GOP-e activities would simply be banned. I think we can come up with a list in any 10 minute period if we think about it even casually. Obviously all those who advocated nominating a guy who is now said by his own eldest son to have not wanted to win would be on that list.

33 posted on 12/28/2012 8:00:29 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Longbow1969
Forgot 2010, troll-boy?

Compare the votes in the House under Pelosi, to the votes *since* 2010.

There is a difference, even with the crapweasel RINO leadership.

Troll.

34 posted on 12/28/2012 8:12:14 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers
Forgot 2010, troll-boy?

Hey idiot, we didn't just "throw all the bums out" in 2010, we voted the Democrats out and voted the Republicans in. You see how that works numbskull? Had conservatives just voted to "throw all the bums out" we would have lost lots of Republican seats to Democrats in red areas (since that stupid idea entails we vote against our own Republican incumbents) and would not have taken over the House.

So just to clear up your ignorance, 2010 was NOT a "throw all the bums out" year. It was a throw all the Democrats out and vote Republicans in year.

Troll.

Dimwit. You really are one of the slowest people here.

35 posted on 12/28/2012 8:43:44 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969
Hey idiot, we didn't just "throw all the bums out" in 2010, we voted the Democrats out and voted the Republicans in. You see how that works numbskull? Had conservatives just voted to "throw all the bums out" we would have lost lots of Republican seats to Democrats in red areas (since that stupid idea entails we vote against our own Republican incumbents) and would not have taken over the House.

The bums are disproportionately Dem...except for some moles and GOP-e types.

Troll.

36 posted on 12/28/2012 9:14:36 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers
The bums are disproportionately Dem...except for some moles and GOP-e types.

Listen you dolt, before you comment you might take a few moments to at least understand the subject and what the conversation is about.

tenmountainman suggested we throw all the bums out on both sides. I pointed out that it was a terrible idea which never goes anywhere, and that if we voted all incumbents (bums) out we'd actually end up voting more liberal Democrats in. In 2010 we did not just vote all the bums out, we voted Democrats out and kept our Republican incumbents in.

Now perhaps you're caught up and can quit with the diarrhea of the mouth.

37 posted on 12/28/2012 9:30:58 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Sub-Driver
Great. JUST GREAT. You can't get permissions from your Dad to drive the car so you just ask Mom. The Senate is the origination point of this detestable, Lose/Lose position know as sequestration and other egregious errors impersonating sound law. The only difference between the House negotiating for this deal and the Senate negotiating is that Mitch The Bitch McConnell will not have as much volume as he folds and he won't have to have a jar of Vaseline since he is a KY user.
Who gets protected? The fag cat donors, the unions, and the tax consumers. Who gets hurt? Everybody else. I hope the Republican resist compromise of their few remaining principles.
38 posted on 12/28/2012 11:00:13 PM PST by cashless (Obama told us he would side with Muslims if the political winds shifted in an ugly direction. Ready?)
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To: Lancey Howard

obozo was elected representative of the Communist/Socialist/Marxist/Revolutionary/Jihadist/de-mocratic Parties. He’s not my president, he is the occupier in OUR White House....resist, delay, deny, obstruct.


39 posted on 12/29/2012 1:08:45 AM PST by itssme
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To: itssme

40 posted on 12/29/2012 2:08:02 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: ez
This is a win for Boehner. He has been saying for two weeks that the House already passed tax cuts and the Senate needs to act.

A fatal mistake by Boner. If the House never passes a bill, the Senate has no chance to amend it, as they surely will. As soon as that happens and the amended bill is sent back to the House, watch the RINOs and the rest of the do nothing republicans cave.

The KEY to this process of caving under cover, is the initial House passage of a bill. Game, set, match again. Republicans continue their historic losing streak.

41 posted on 12/29/2012 4:58:18 AM PST by Founding Father (The Pedophile moHAMmudd (PBUH---Pigblood be upon him))
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To: ez

Good for Boehner for going home and staying there
Pelosi looked like a drunk, dazed when she walked out the WH yesterday, I swear she is suffering from dementia
Yet the economy of the US rests in the hands of her and Harry Reid and the petulant emotional-age 14-yr old potus

Looks like the facedown comes on Sunday night
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/27/16194242-boehner-calls-house-back-to-washington-on-sunday?lite

what a goat rope. this is our great nation?


42 posted on 12/29/2012 6:09:54 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: silverleaf

Boehner was trying but getting no cooperation from Reed OR Zero. I think he did the right thing, demonstrating that his caucus wasn’t going to rubberstamp the Dems wishlist. Then heading home.

I am sensing a capitulation from the left on this issue in the last few days...I think Zero knows that if we hit the cliff the economy will suffer on his watch and no blaming it on Bush this time.

I think Zero blinked...


43 posted on 12/29/2012 6:33:41 AM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: Founding Father

I just think a headline in the Wall St Journal that says “Cliff Deal Hinges on Senators” is both truthful, and great news for the Speaker. The Senate should have been the battleground all along.


44 posted on 12/29/2012 6:36:38 AM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: Timber Rattler
How is this even Constitutional, when all "Ways and Means" bills MUST originate in the House of Representatives?

Because the Senate RATs can take any House initiated appropriations bill and strip out all the language, maybe change the title, and make it say whatever they want.

Of course the House can then either approve it (recede and concur) or restore the original bill (insist)

45 posted on 12/29/2012 6:45:13 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: silverleaf

The rot at the top of America is appalling and disgusting. ALL of them should be put in prison for a long, long time for what they are doing to America.


46 posted on 12/29/2012 6:45:27 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Same thing, different label. The R version... blah blah blah...

WRONG!

The RAT label, guarantees either a social democrat or a national socialist, never a Constitutional conservative.

The GOP rep might just be a redneck (TEApublican)

47 posted on 12/29/2012 6:53:03 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: i_robot73
If people actually did their research and demanded a REAL debate/election, you’d see more 3rd party, like there should be.

There are more than 50 "third parties"

You do some research.

48 posted on 12/29/2012 6:55:38 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Sorry- regardless of label, govt gets bigger, more intrusive and the country becomes more socialist. Good luck in the republican plantation, where you are a vote to be earned by saying certain things-a curiosity to be made fun of.


49 posted on 12/29/2012 7:27:12 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international. Gone.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Sorry- regardless of label, govt gets bigger, more intrusive and the country becomes more socialist.

Well, I guess you might as well just kill yourself then.

50 posted on 12/29/2012 8:01:35 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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